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HKFiveZero explained, thanks though. I guess I hadn't noticed the product before in Australian retailers, I'm still not sure however what sets them apart besides one of them being limited edition.

I'm still on ivy bridge but for me I'm going to be building a PC soon because I'm now starting to feel the effects of CPU throttling in some of the games I'm currently playing which is unfortunate. But for me to upgrade I'm going to have to line it up against Skylake-X when it releases I mean comparably to what Intel are offering with broadwell E the 8 core AMD processor definetely looks more appealing but I guess it all comes down to price. I have quite a bit of money though I'm going to be dropping on a PC so I don't think price to performance is really a factor nearly as much as raw performance though, so like I said I'll need to compare Skylake X against Ryzen objectively or I could just wait a bit more to see how Cannonlake compares I'm interested in just what PCIE 4.0 will offer on the final specifications.

I'd like to believe it may be due to the latter thing you said and Australians just being charged less as an added bonus due to our trade agreements and the geographical location of Australia. I listed two retailers, scrorptec and PC case gear, PC case gear have the item out of stock which could just be due to the fact they haven't officially listed the items true price yet but it simply a place holder. Scorptec has the item available for not much more than PC case gear is offering it. But it's also very possible that Luke just wasn't informed correctly on the pricing. Edit: Nevermind HKZeroFive answered my question then, really weird naming scheme they have if it wasn't for the simple acronym I'd be confused between the two products.

I was watching this video, with Luke explaining that this PSU was $1000. However I started to look through local Australian retailers to see how much it'd be down here and I came across two websites. https://www.pccasegear.com/products/36355/cooler-master-masterwatt-maker-1200-titanium-power-supply https://www.scorptec.com.au/product/Power-Supplies/ATX/64881-MPZ-C001-AFBAT-AU On both retailers websites we're only being charged close to around the $599~700 which is the equivalant to around $440 US to $540 US dollars so I'm wondering why is there is such a price discrepancy here and are these the exact same PSU's..? Because the specs of the PSU in the video pretty much match the PSU listed on these websites.

Damn Lays you beat me to it. Was just gonna hop back to this thread and post some updates on the status of things. Anyway this is what TiN had to say. Voltage scaling and “1.25V limit” There were some rumors spreading wildly these days regarding “1.25V limitation” or whatever on modified GTX 1080 cards, which requires here few words to explain. Hardware itself is well capable of getting to that and above voltage output for GPU core, but GP104 chip itself now more sensitive to voltage, than even previous Maxwell generation. Part of it due to thinner physical process, other part due to challenges removing heat from all those tightly packed 7.2B transistors quick enough from 21% less surface area. Those overclockers who did 2200+ MHz on GTX 980 Ti’s are well aware of all things required to achieve those high clocks. Same principle applies to Pascal generation. So if you can manage to keep GPU cooled well and have good voltage delivery to it, you indeed can push higher voltages. Cards cooled by liquid nitrogen during this guide testwork were able to run 1.35-1.4V, reaching speeds over 2500 MHz. Fact that GTX 1080’s capable of reaching 2.1GHz on aircooling without any modifications confuse lot of people, making them to think that these chips can overclock well past 3GHz on liquid nitrogen cooling. But it’s still silicon, with similar architecture, so reality is bit sour. Yes, it allow to get good performance without extreme cooling, but hides the fact that LN2-cooled 980Ti is still much faster than overclocked GTX 1080 due to more shader cores and better CPC performance. This also brings and answer to the question if overvolting can help OC on aircooling or watercooling. It does not help, due to thermal, which get only worse. Higher temperature render stability and performance decrease. GPU literally overheats and cannot run high frequency anymore, even though temperature is below specified maximum temperature. So just like in 980/980Ti/TitanX case, over-voltage is not recommended, as it gains no performance improvement. As usual, any feedback and questions are appreciated. Feel free to share link to this guide, but keep links and references intact, as guide likely to be updated in future.

Interesting after looking for 10mins I've been unable to find one SLI benchmark with the GTX 1080's. I only get lead back to the same benchmark. http://www.hardwarezone.com.sg/feature-preview-nvidia-geforce-gtx-1080-sli-benchmarked Which is this one, this one is without the HB bridge but it's really the only documented SLI performance I can look at. I can't believe out of all the people that own two cards there isn't a single performance chart showing SLI performance with the new HB bridge.

It is? News to me with NVIDIA's HB bridge out. There were also the SLI benchmarks recently done with the NVIDIA GTX 1080 that almost show 2x the performance.

You're free to show me a screenshot of you running your GPU on a 8x slot but I'm sure we all know that you're running on a 16x slot right now, right..? So how can you say that with perhaps everyone in this thread running their cards on an 16x slot that it isn't a consensus? If you don't agree with that, then prove to me otherwise.

Anyone remember this..? It's a synthetic benchmark but we can see looking at a single card and comparing it to the SLI performance we can see that you're not getting 2x the performance when running them in crossfire, infact it looks like you're only getting 45% the performance from that 2nd card. We know that the GTX 1080 can be sometimes from 25-30% faster than the GTX 1070. So I imagine a GTX 1070 is somewhere around the 23000 range, slightly faster than a Titan X by a few hundred points but slower than two RX 480's.

Why "nowadays" cards are slowly going to require more and more bandwidth you'll see that bottleneck with SSD's now eventually you'll have GPU's getting there. The consensus has always been you should run your GPU on an 16x slot but going forward that's going to become more true with time as the bandwidth and performance demands of GPU increases. Despite the fact you're still going to see diminishing returns on the 2nd card in SLI or Crossfire and I imagine the new bridge will perhaps...maybe give you 1:1?

The 1070 might be 2x better than a R9 480, it depends on how well the RX 480 OC's if it's a horrible overclocker and runs incredibly hot because of the 14nm process on the card then that's no good because an OC'ed 1070 performs better than a stock reference 1080, The 1070 can OC all the way up to 2050mhz comfortably just like the 1080 can so it has even more headroom than the 1080 does because the clocks are lower on the 1070. Even if you choose to buy two RX 480's You're not getting a great deal. There are several reasons for this. 1. Your CPU must first support up to 32 PCIE lanes, so your motherboard must also have two PCIE 16x lanes. If you don't and you run the 2nd card on an 8X slot you'll lose 10% of your performance on the 2nd card. You're never getting 1:1 with SLI or Crossfire. In an ideal world, I'd think the new SLI bridge on NVIDIA's side gets close to 1:1. 2. SLI/CF scales down the more cards you add, for instance if you were to run 4x or 3x 480's you're gonna see diminishing returns on your investment you may get close to 90% the performance of a 480 with your 2nd card but for each consecutive card it gets much worse. You're also gonna increase heat and draw more TDP from your power supply, the 1080 draws less than two 480's do but more than a single card. 3. SLI and Crossfire support is limited in a lot of titles, new titles will sometimes release SLI or Crossfire drivers maybe a week or two after launch so you'll need to always wait after everyone else and that's if they add drivers there are a lot of games that don't have SLI or Crossfire support. So yeah it sounds nice to say "Oh well I'm gonna run two cards and get the same performance of an 1080" We all know nothing is ever really that simple. Even if you buy two RX 480 there are a lot of issues you need to get over if you don't have WIndows 10 then you're screwed. The performance of the 480 relies heavily on DX12, the DX12 drivers for the AMD cards is more mature than NVIDIA but you'll only see that benefit if you have a system that has WIndows 10 and your running a game that is DX12 otherwise we're back where we started with AMD and their DX11 woes.

Well the Gigabyte Xtreme is using that new quadro fan, after years of having a signature fan style now everyone did it this time around so it looks as though Gigabyte is changing it up, I'd love to see just how powerful and loud the fans are going to be on the new Xtreme. One thing I don't like is the use of two 8 pins. If you take into account the extra fan and LED's it makes sense why'd they be precautious and add a little more power but an extra 8 pin is way more than anyone will actually use. I'm a little dissapointed that we can't get a LED free design if it cuts down on cost, i'm not sold on LED's all I want is performance.

I've been talking to TiN already, that's the message I posted up top after the 1.25v rumor started circulating I got in contact with him and sent him a message he sent me one back. "I'm going to post details in my guide regarding that and few other items. It's bit early to jump into any conclusions yet, as drivers still bit buggy. There is no hardware/PCB limit to go any voltage you want, problems are related to running settings as expected (and thats not only "1.25v limit"). Just have some patience. " Bolded the part that's really most important.

I don't doubt the reference coolers are better but it really isn't hard to improve on NVIDIA's reference design, even simple cooling solutions turn out to be better than NVIDIA's reference design. I feel some expense could of been spared to give the reference design a re-haul and perhaps finally make either a hybrid or water cooling solution a standard on the 80 series atleast. I feel the performance of the RX 480 is good though extremely good for that price, but the issues people see with 16nm they'll also experience the same issues on 14nm even to a worser extent, like the NVIDIA FE I highly reccomend people wait for custom AIB's.

I doubt they have a working BIOs mod, infact a lot of those experts backtracked saying they'd wait until custom V-bios came out including the guy who originally made the 1080 mod in the first place. The GTX 1080 just came out, we should wait until either there is a working bios modding tool for pascal to come out or start dissecting the Custom AIB's before we start jumping to assumptions, just what the issue is. You can look but a custom bios modding tool for the GTX 1080 doesn't exist. If they did extensive testing they'd of also shown their test results and given the data to the public, that'd of been extremely helpful in distinguishing the actual issue.