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Just apply this in practice for a minute and you'll see you don't really follow this standard in most conversation.
 
If someone asks about an ASUS motherboard, and another person replies "it's a good board, but ASUS customer service tends to be pretty bad" are you going to say "oh and everyone else's is great? Why didn't you mention this company or that company? Are you trying to say everyone has great customer service except ASUS?"
 
If someone is talking about Assassin's Creed Unity and they say "this game is really buggy", are you going to reply "what about every other game that's buggy? Why don't you mention them? Are you trying to suggest that every other game is great and only this one is buggy? Other games are buggy too! You can't just call out this one and none of the others!"
 
If someone posts an article about a new iPhone that just came out, someone reads over the specs and says "man, that's really overpriced", are you going to say "why didn't you mention the latest Samsung phone? Why didn't you mention this HTC phone over here? Are you trying to say only Apple has overpriced phones??"
 
And so forth.

Yeah, it's just odd as GP100 and Vega has been official public knowledge for months now. Especially VEGA, which we know is the high end part from AMD is completely ignored, which makes no sense.
 
Sure you have scale of economics lowering prices on interposers. But they are already pretty cheap. Even though it increases the price on the card by adding an extra silicon layer, it also makes the entire product simpler.
http://semiaccurate.com/2015/06/22/amd-talks-fiji-fiji-x-odd-bits-tech/
I wasn't really thinking of HBM2 pricing, although that of course will be high, but more the availability of them. Manufacturing has only been going for a month or two and only for the small stacks, so there simply isn't any supply to saturate an entire line of cards. And then there's the yield issue on top.
 
But I do look forward to seeing both Vega and GP100, and how they both do with HBM2. Either way, we will get some kick ass cards within the next 3-7 months.

You are overestimating Intel's 14nm node a LOT. The difference between that and Samsung's 14nm FF LPP is quite small. Architecture and chip size would make a much larger difference than that.
As for the high end market, Intel has no competence in professional graphics what so ever. Things like ACE's, geometry processors and advanced things like freesync, etc. is something Intel has no competence in what so ever. There is 0% chance of this happening.
AMD already has their high end Vega on the way at the same time as NVidia's high end Pascal, so that makes no sense.
As said above, Big Pascal (GP100) will launch at the same time as AMD's Vega, so both high end products will arrive about the same time. P100, as in their professional series), might launch first, but has no consequence on the gaming consumer market. In fact it might push back GP100, as yields are very low (P100 is a cut down chip), and p100 taking up all the chips, as the profit is a lot higher on the professional chips than consumer chips.
 
Yeah it makes no sense to think Intel would enter the high end graphics market. Those chips are extremely difficult to design. Intel can only do simple integrated graphics (that sucks hard) and compute cards that only does floating point data processing. Intel is more than 10 years behind and there is no way they can catch up, even with some patent licensing deal with AMD. After all Intel is already licensing from Nvidia.

You do realise I get hundreds of comments every day right?  What was your response to the 560 Ti vs 6950 and 460 vs 6850 again?  Oh yeah, nothing.  That's why you didn't get any further response.  AMD just getting unlucky because people upgrade in "waves" you say?  Right, unlucky, sure.  Check the gaps between those cards and you'll see that your "wave upgrade" idea is a joke.
 

Why would Nvidia want to divide a market they already own the lions share of?

Why would Nvidia want to divide a market they already own the lions share of?

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Welcome to the forums.

The point I was making in the video is that AMD could have released a card to compete with GP104.  It could have had HBM, possibly even HBM2, and it could have cost the same as what the GTX 1080 is gonna cost (think north of $600).
 
It would have been faster, but most of you would still have bought the 1080 instead.  This has been seen time and time again in the past with cards like the 560 Ti vs the 6950 and the 460 vs the 6850.  Both times where AMD was faster yet completely outsold anyway.  The 460 outsold the 6850 by 4-1.
 
AMD is a company out to make money.  Nvidia is too and they make more money by selling to their high-end buyers over and over.  680, 690, Titan, 780, 780 Ti, Titan Z, 980, Titan X, 980 Ti...now the 1080 another 25% faster than the 980 Ti.

People just keep lapping up those 30% increases at more $$$ but that's a market that will eventually run out of legs.  It's unsustainable.

Nvidia is bottlenecked by wafer allocation at TSMC so they have to pick and choose which cards get made first.  Those gigantic P100 Teslas at $10K a piece are way ahead of any gamer GPU and using up wafers like nobodies business.  AMD will gain a lot of market share in mobile while Nvidia does this, it's really very simple strategy.

The point I was making in the video is that AMD could have released a card to compete with GP104.  It could have had HBM, possibly even HBM2, and it could have cost the same as what the GTX 1080 is gonna cost (think north of $600).
 
It would have been faster, but most of you would still have bought the 1080 instead.  This has been seen time and time again in the past with cards like the 560 Ti vs the 6950 and the 460 vs the 6850.  Both times where AMD was faster yet completely outsold anyway.  The 460 outsold the 6850 by 4-1.
 
AMD is a company out to make money.  Nvidia is too and they make more money by selling to their high-end buyers over and over.  680, 690, Titan, 780, 780 Ti, Titan Z, 980, Titan X, 980 Ti...now the 1080 another 25% faster than the 980 Ti.

People just keep lapping up those 30% increases at more $$$ but that's a market that will eventually run out of legs.  It's unsustainable.

Nvidia is bottlenecked by wafer allocation at TSMC so they have to pick and choose which cards get made first.  Those gigantic P100 Teslas at $10K a piece are way ahead of any gamer GPU and using up wafers like nobodies business.  AMD will gain a lot of market share in mobile while Nvidia does this, it's really very simple strategy.

What I object to is you dismissing that mindshare actually exists based on your laughable notion that people "upgrade in waves".
 
Simple question - Do you think that people buy up all the cards on day 1, or do you think that these cards are sold over many months and years?
 
2nd simple question - Why do you think people continue to buy the 970 over the 390 by a huge factor?  Because it's getting destroyed in every DX12 benchmark and even most DX11 ones today?
 
Just use logic and you'll understand how utterly ridiculous your argument is that AMD "just got unlucky."

You seem to have gotten your panties in a twist because you failed to understand that at that VERY moment I was being told about your "wave theory", I was also in discussion with other people on other subjects.  My comments section does not revolve around you and your "theories".
 

What I object to is you dismissing that mindshare actually exists based on your laughable notion that people "upgrade in waves".
 
Simple question - Do you think that people buy up all the cards on day 1, or do you think that these cards are sold over many months and years?
 
2nd simple question - Why do you think people continue to buy the 970 over the 390 by a huge factor?  Because it's getting destroyed in every DX12 benchmark and even most DX11 ones today?
 
Just use logic and you'll understand how utterly ridiculous your argument is that AMD "just got unlucky."

You seem to have gotten your panties in a twist because you failed to understand that at that VERY moment I was being told about your "wave theory", I was also in discussion with other people on other subjects.  My comments section does not revolve around you and your "theories".
 

You do realise I get hundreds of comments every day right?  What was your response to the 560 Ti vs 6950 and 460 vs 6850 again?  Oh yeah, nothing.  That's why you didn't get any further response.  AMD just getting unlucky because people upgrade in "waves" you say?  Right, unlucky, sure.  Check the gaps between those cards and you'll see that your "wave upgrade" idea is a joke.
 

@adored welcome to linus "fanboy" tips, run while you can.
 
Love your videos, the amount of research you do on these vids and somehow manage to put them together in a coherent manner is very impressive...
 
The "master plan" video ticks all the boxes, from the beginning with Mantel with the end goal of multi "mini" GPU's, if this comes true Nvidia will go the way of 3DFX, has AMD are way ahead in terms of R & D in this department and fabrication capabilities. 

You do realise I get hundreds of comments every day right?  What was your response to the 560 Ti vs 6950 and 460 vs 6850 again?  Oh yeah, nothing.  That's why you didn't get any further response.  AMD just getting unlucky because people upgrade in "waves" you say?  Right, unlucky, sure.  Check the gaps between those cards and you'll see that your "wave upgrade" idea is a joke.
 

Really?  Funny how we haven't heard about anything like that from AMD.  If you think Vega is competing with GP104 you're very mistaken.  Vega will thrash GP104 but it'll come much later as well.

The point I was making in the video is that AMD could have released a card to compete with GP104.  It could have had HBM, possibly even HBM2, and it could have cost the same as what the GTX 1080 is gonna cost (think north of $600).
 
It would have been faster, but most of you would still have bought the 1080 instead.  This has been seen time and time again in the past with cards like the 560 Ti vs the 6950 and the 460 vs the 6850.  Both times where AMD was faster yet completely outsold anyway.  The 460 outsold the 6850 by 4-1.
 
AMD is a company out to make money.  Nvidia is too and they make more money by selling to their high-end buyers over and over.  680, 690, Titan, 780, 780 Ti, Titan Z, 980, Titan X, 980 Ti...now the 1080 another 25% faster than the 980 Ti.

People just keep lapping up those 30% increases at more $$$ but that's a market that will eventually run out of legs.  It's unsustainable.

Nvidia is bottlenecked by wafer allocation at TSMC so they have to pick and choose which cards get made first.  Those gigantic P100 Teslas at $10K a piece are way ahead of any gamer GPU and using up wafers like nobodies business.  AMD will gain a lot of market share in mobile while Nvidia does this, it's really very simple strategy.