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:D, its more of a I wanted to fiddle with shit kind of a deal, which I consider worth it.
 
also for anyone who reads this later and tries to find answers to the questions i had:
 
1. In the Meshify 2, a 280mm EK radiator (45mm thick) will fit in the bottom of the Meshify 2, with a Rm850x psu, with no room to spare. The rad needs to be on the bottom, with fans in pull. While the radiator is currently not yet added to the loop (waiting on some fittings to change the location of the drain port), with 2 140mm noctua f12 fans, there does not seem to be any measurable difference in air flow with or without the radiator added for the rest of the case. 
1.1. My fan setup is currently such that normally the case is under a slight positive pressure, but if water goes above 30c, the case will gradually change to a slightly negative pressure to help with intake from the bottom fans. 
 
2. Before buying the Meshify 2, I should have gone with a O11. I didn't bother to measure my runs exactly and i have gotten lucky so so many times with stuff fitting when they shouldnt have. 

2 rads already, that size, for a 5800x and 1080ti is pretty extreme, you should have PLENTY of cooling. But if you want to really go to the extreme with some really heavy overclocking or want super low temps while overclocking quite a bit, you could go ahead. It wouldnt do a whole lot and seems a lot of work, you will eventually run into less returns for how much you put in. And while you might have some extreme water cooling potential, it'll just be the water thats being cooled if the heatplate cant physically transfer heat fast enough to keep up with the water. In short, youll get less returns on cooling the more rads you add as the limiting factor slowly becomes the heat plate and thermal paste and not the water.
 
If you do decide to do this, enjoy and see it as more of a project to see what you can possibly do than a performance upgrade, in future id also upgrade your heatplate and cpu block to keep up with the water's cooling. And what thermal paste do you have? Most thermal pastes performance is extremely similar but if it becomes your major limiting factor something very premium might be worth your while. Also are you planning to upgrade cpu/gpu at all? If not then you probably wont see a change in performance with the extra rad as you have plenty adequate cooling already!

Processor:                                      5800x
Cooler:                                           NZXT x52 240mm aio
Single core boost:                          4.840Ghz
Single core Cinebench R20 score:N/A
All core boost:                                4.624 (with curve optimizer at -30, it did 4.750, with peak temp at 78c, but it wasn't completely stable)
All core Cinebench R20 score:      6122
All core peak wattage:                   N/A
Single core peak wattage:             N/A
Highest reported temperature:       84c
 

Have had my 5800x for 3 days now, cooled by a 240mm aio. Have got my temps down to high 30’s low 40’s on idle and high 70’s low 80’s during a cinebench run. 
 
This was made possible via the curve optimizer under pbo, by setting the stacks or what ever they are to -25 on all cores. 
 
also tried -30 on all cores which results in even lower temps and higher all core boost clocks (4.75 ghz sustained during cinebench) but the pc is unstable at idle (1-2 crashes during 5-6 hours) no problems during load thought.

@rice guru, @Tigerleon, have gotten my soundblaster g6 and the dt 990's and they are fantastic. Thank you very much for the recommendations!

Thanks! just ordered the suggested combo.

Hey, 
I'm lost on which monitor to get my wife, thus I require your suggestions. 
 
So background is that wife finally agreed to let me build her a pc with the condition is that her setup be white (possibly with black accents) and somewhat similar to mine. Ive already got the pc built and only missing the monitor (and chair). Based on that, i need to get her a monitor which has the following: 
- 27''
- 1440p
- has a white /light silver bezel (which i'm at this stage not allowed to take apart and paint). 
- (optional) has higher than 60 hz
- (optional but kinda want) has freesync or gsync.
- is less than 500 eur (if there is a super nice one just above it i can increase the budget as well).
 
Based on what i've seen, Im getting the feeling that i'm somewhat looking for the moon here :D. But here's to hoping.  
 
 
 
 

Happy wife is happy life.
 
Give her that PC and see if takes interest to play with you in games. If she gets hooked she won't give you such a hard time for spending so much time playing games.
 
This is the real reason why you say
Don't listen to others they don't understand.
Good luck man, rooting for ya!

The aim of competition law is to, in essence, keep capitalism in check. In the EU, this means ensuring that if a new company wants to come on the market with a better product, it can do so. However, if intel was left unchecked, any company trying to come on the cpu market would simply go bankrupt, since no system builder would be allowed to use the products of the competitor. 
First time this happens, intel loses some money to the rebates. At the same time it sends a message that if you want to come and compete with intel, be prepared to suffer a loss until Intel runs out of money. the result is that it is no longer plausible for most companies to enter the market, since entering it would mean suffering a loss, even if their product could potentially be better. This in turn means that intel would no longer lose market share and consequently, no longer has to invest money into RnD since it has no competitors. It can simply price its products higher without providing anything new to the consumer. 

I wanted to elaborate a bit more on the ruling. SpaceGhost got it more or less correct. 
 
Basically what the EU Commission had done was first assess the rebates and then assess the damage to competition through what they call an "as efficient competitor test". This then ended up in a fine. What the general court (lower court) did was assess the rebates and note that the AEC wasn't necessary so the quality of the AEC test wasn't assessed. It was in particular this argumentation that was overturned (since intel had argued that there were mistakes in the AEC test). So the current judgement still in essence says that if "bad" rebates are identified, they are per se illegal and no AEC test is necessary. However if the Commission has already gone through the trouble of doing an AEC test, then the test should also be assessed by the lower court, since it obviously formed a basis for identifying whether the rebates were bad. 
 
The end result is that this does nothing to the fine. Furthermore, since the AEC is an economic test, where the Commission has a very large margin of discretion, the courts generally can do very little there. Thus, this judgement is not actually beneficial for intel, since it simply extends the uncertainty arising from this case. And this case alone doesn't contain any argumentations that would allow for a reduced fine.

I wanted to elaborate a bit more on the ruling. SpaceGhost got it more or less correct. 
 
Basically what the EU Commission had done was first assess the rebates and then assess the damage to competition through what they call an "as efficient competitor test". This then ended up in a fine. What the general court (lower court) did was assess the rebates and note that the AEC wasn't necessary so the quality of the AEC test wasn't assessed. It was in particular this argumentation that was overturned (since intel had argued that there were mistakes in the AEC test). So the current judgement still in essence says that if "bad" rebates are identified, they are per se illegal and no AEC test is necessary. However if the Commission has already gone through the trouble of doing an AEC test, then the test should also be assessed by the lower court, since it obviously formed a basis for identifying whether the rebates were bad. 
 
The end result is that this does nothing to the fine. Furthermore, since the AEC is an economic test, where the Commission has a very large margin of discretion, the courts generally can do very little there. Thus, this judgement is not actually beneficial for intel, since it simply extends the uncertainty arising from this case. And this case alone doesn't contain any argumentations that would allow for a reduced fine.

When you copy/paste into the forums it copies some of the formatting as well.  In this case the colour was copied.
 

 
When you paste text, highlight it and select the automatic colour option in the options, like so...

Qualcomm is in trouble again and is being investigated for antitrust in the EU. The EU commission has looked into Qualcomm before in 2006/2007 but was dropped in 2009. 
Source - http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-15-5383_en.htm
Qualcomm is also being investigated for antitrust in South Korea - http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/02/12/us-qualcomm-southkorea-idUSKBN0LG02120150212
And has recently been fined almost a billion in china - http://www.bbc.com/news/business-31335551

I get that, that's why there was the court action regarding the inclusion of IE in windows a few years back. What was the actual outcome of that?  well everything from slowed product advances and releases to a less domineering market presence.   I can't help but keep coming back to what I said earlier though.  They need to educate the people regarding the truth about google searches. Unsuccessful legal cases only strengthen googles unethical business practices, while a legal win for the EU is essentially a dictatorship.  I don't blame anyone for being concerned with outcome of this regardless of what it is.     

Yeah a lot of people, including myself, share that opinion. The other side of the coin being that if those shopping sites are mostly only accessed through internet search then Google can in fact simply one day decide to move into that market by forcing everyone else out of it. If this argument is extended a bit, then you can make an example that Microsoft could in essence simply decide that windows will no longer support other internet browsers and by doing this force everyone else out of the internet browser market. This being a result of Microsoft being dominant in the windows market and not because its browser is any better. 

Google stole content from Yelp, tripadvisor and amazon,  so if that isn't a copyright issue then I don't know what is.

It's still a monopoly and are therefore subject to antitrust laws.
 
There is a huge difference between promoting competitors, and not promoting yourself.
Nobody is asking for the former, and the latter is potentially illegal (because of antitrust laws), and ethically wrong.

I had find my password just to post this:
 
Slick please, please make Linus do this.