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About paulmohr

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  • Birthday 1967-08-19

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  • Gender
  • Location
    Adrian Michigan
  • Interests
    Computers, archery, shooting, music, cars
  • Biography
    Disabled due to depression, anxiety and other things. Air Force veteran, was a mechanic on f-4 fighter jets. After that mostly did factory work but I have worked in a computer store in the 90's, done some machining and went to school for auto mechanics in the late 80's. I currently taking care of my mother who has dementia.
  • Occupation
    disabled, before that factory work.


  • CPU
    Ryzen 3600
  • Motherboard
    B450 Tomahawk
  • RAM
    32 gigs (2x16) 3200mgz Gskill
  • GPU
    2070 Founders Edition
  • Case
    Aerocool ATX ( fairly cheap)
  • Storage
    250 gig Samsung NVME m.2, 480 gb SSD, 2tb 7200 rpm seagate
  • Display(s)
    Sharp 55 inch 4K tv
  • Cooling
    Corsair H100i Pro AIO, 2 120mm front fans, 120mm exhaust fan
  • Keyboard
    Logitech K800 wireless
  • Mouse
    Logitech MX ergo track ball
  • Sound
    Atmos home theater system
  • Operating System
    windows 10

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  1. Correct, any of the motherboards that have bios flashback you can update the bios without a cpu. You just need the new bios and a usb drive. Follow the directions on the website and it should work out fine. Keep in mind that some of the boards are already shipping with the new bios installed, or you depending on where you get it you can request to have the bios updated before they ship it to you.
  2. I run my 3600 stock after doing some testing. With cinabench R15 I get like 1625 average muti core and around 195 single core. In my MSI bios PBO has I think 5 preset options, I used #4, so second from the highest setting. With that enabled I get about the same for multi core scores but my single core score goes up to about 200. If I use the automatic overclock option in my bios, "game mode" or something like that it is called, it gives me an overclock to 4.2 on all cores. My Multi core score goes up to around 1650-1660. Single core goes down to 196-197 ish. I tried to do a manual overclock pushing it as hard as I could and got it to 4.25. Multi core score was closer to 1680 and single core was averaging around 197. It was pulling a LOT of wattage though and running hotter. Time spy and firestrike showed slight improvements with PBO and overclocking but nothing overly impressive. Under normal usage and gaming at 1080P really didn't show any gain from any kind of overclocking. It just created more heat and fan noise. So I just put it back everything back to stock and left it alone. Pretty much what I have found with every other cpu I have used. System is: 3600 on a b450 tomahawk 32 gb of 3200 mhz ram NVME boot drive, SSD game drive and 7200 rpm mechanical drive for data storage 2070 evga SC ultra video card Corsair H100i pro AIO with push pull fans, temps are 68c while running R15 multi core test.
  3. I am not sure if you can enable game mode and pbo at the same time. I never tried to be honest. After you enable game mode and it reboots it will say something about not changing things in the bios after you turn it on. I never tested to see if you could use them both at the same time. If it works let me know, I might try it to see what it does. When I did it "game mode" still let my cpu idle and everything. If I remember correctly the core speed would stay at 4.2 but the voltage would vary depending on the load. I hear people talk about "auto clock" or whatever and honestly don't know what that is because I have yet to find anything labeled like that in the MSI bios. The Game thing was the only thing I saw. I am not sure if that is the same thing or not.
  4. Unless you are getting one heck of a deal on the 2700x get the 3600. Once they released the 3600 the 2700 and 2700x are simply not worth the money. They kind of screwed themselves on that one. They need to come down on the 2700 prices to make them worth it. Now if you could get a 2700 for what a 2600 costs then ya I would snap it up.
  5. If you go in the bios of the tomahawk is a "game mode" or something like that. If you choose that it will do an auto all core overclock to around 4.2. I tried manually over clocking mine and about the best I could get was a 4.25 anyway so if want an all core overclock just do it that way, it is much easier. On mine using pbo will let my single core boost speeds go higher. If you do an all core overclock you are kind of locking it in at 4.2. You get an increase with all core work loads but take a slight hit on single core stuff. You just kind of have to do some testing with what you do with your computer and see which works better for you.
  6. The X version comes with a slightly higher stock speed and slightly better cooler. Basically they upcharging you for a cooler. And niether cooler is all that great. And once you enable PBO or something they are basically the same processor. Is 50 dollars more worth it in my opinion, no, not really. If you were just going to drop the cpu and cooler into a computer and not mess with anything then maybe it is worth it, if 50 bucks isn't that big of a deal to you. I highly doubt you are going to notice the slightly higher speed increase on normal usage though. And honestly either of those coolers will work fine if everything is set to stock. Providing you have decent airflow in your case. Pretty much any aftermarket cooler will work better than the stock ones, even a 15 dollar one. If you spent the extra 50 bucks on just a cooler it would way outperform the stock cooler. The amd X versions are not really "binned" chips like what you expect from a intel K series or something. And every ryzen cpu is unlocked so you don't have to spend more to overclock it. Not that overclocking one does much anyway. They run about as well as they can out of the box, amd set them up that way.
  7. So you do want to game then. And when that time comes I am assuming you are going to upgrade to better equipment. I highly doubt you are going to game at 1440 ultra wide 120hz with a cheap mobo and APU. You are going to need a decent CPU and dedicated GPU to do that. And depending on what games you want to play you may need something better than "decent". Until then the refresh rate really isn't going to matter. Most video is going to be locked somewhere between 24 and 60 hz depending on how it was encoded. Text base stuff and static images the refresh rate simply won't matter, 30hz would work fine. For non gaming type of stuff FPS really isn't a thing. So basically all you are concerned with is will your mobo/APU support that display resolution. What refresh rate it will support it at really isn't all that important. So I would look to see if the parts you are choosing support 4K 60hz. If they do they will most likely work fine with 1440 ultra wide since it will fall somewhere in the middle of normal 1440 and 4k. Once you start to game you are going to need a dedicated graphics card and that will determine what resolution and refresh rate you can use. And the FPS you get will depend on your over all system and what games you play .FPS can vary greatly from game to game and the settings you use. I use a 55 inch screen for my computer and 1080p doesn't look horrible by any means. Yes, text is a bit more crisp at 4K, because that is my screens native resolution. And in games at 4k you can run them without using antialiasing and stuff like that and they still look good. However if I run them at 1080p and turn all that stuff on it pretty much looks the same. What it takes to run them sort of evens out. At 4K it taxes my system because of the higher resolution so it helps that you can turn off that stuff and still have clean lines. Where as with 1080p you have to turn that stuff on, but it isn't trying so hard to begin with because of the lower resolution. And for video it makes no difference at all. I simply can't tell the difference between 1080p and 4K. The same thing happens with home theater stuff, which is basically what my set up is. A home theater set up with a computer hooked up to it. 4K doesn't really start to show a difference until you start using a projector with a very large screen size.
  8. I am curious to know what you are going to do with the computer. You keep stressing NON gaming. If you are not going to game why are trying to use a 1440/120hz monitor with a cheap motherboard and APU? What are you doing that needs that kind of refresh rate. I can understand the wide screen part, those are nice sometimes for doing mulitiple things since you get more screen space. Without knowing specifics I think the best answer you are going to get is "maybe". It is going to depend on what the motherboard handles, how good the APU is and what cables you use. That statement simply makes no sense. Those are the things that actually matter. There isn't much left in the system to be "high performance" and it isn't going to matter if you don't have the core parts to use them. Maybe a different way to go about this would be to tell us what you want to do with the computer, what your budget is and that you plan on upgrading in the future. Then someone can work with you to put a system together that will meet your needs.
  9. Worked out how? Mine worked perfectly fine once I updated the bios. And I don't think the MAX boards are really much different than the non max boards. I was under the impression all they really did was put a larger bios chip on them so they could fit a full bios instead of the bios "lite" version. But at its core it is the same base bios code. They are just shipping from the factory with it installed so you can just drop a 3000 cpu in it much like you would a x570. But right now regular b450 boards and so on are shipping that way. They already updated the bios on them before they are shipping. I might be wrong though, I never actually looked at any reviews of MAX boards. I didn't think they came with better VRMs and stuff like that though.
  10. I don't even see any pins lol. I have old eyes sorry.
  11. Oh, I didn't actually answer that lol. I was in a rush this morning. Yes I used the 450 tomahawk, no I didn't use bios flashback, I used my old cpu to do it. Everything went pretty smooth to be honest. I flashed the new bios, put the cpu in, went into bios and set it to optimized settings or whatever the defualt settings are called. Saved and restarted. Then I enabled XMP for my memory, saved and rebooted again. I never had any of the voltage or heat issues some people are talking about. It all just kind of worked. The only issue I would say it has is every now and then it fails to post if I restart the computer, or it will cycle through the boot up sequence twice or something. If it hangs I just push the botton to power it down the start it up again and ti works. And it doesn't do that very often. I would assume at some point they will put out an updated bios version that might fix that. Or maybe it is just some odd quirk with my system for whatever reason.
  12. Yes I did, but I didn't use flash back, I already had a 1500x so I used that instead.
  13. For what you are doing I don't see a need for a 3700x. I don't see anything you listed that would really need the extra cores. I don't know much about programming though. Maybe if you were compiling stuff the extra cores might help, but I honestly don't know enough about it to say. Maybe someone that does could tell you. 3600 vs the 3600x I would go for the 3600 and an aftermarket cooler personally. The cooler on the X model isn't that much better than the other. Now if it came with the prism cooler I would consider it, but you have to get the 3700x for that. And if you are not going to mess around with overclocking honestly the stock cooler should work fine if you have good airflow in the case. An after market cooler will drop the temps a bit more though and probably be more quiet. I have the 3600 on a b450 tomahawk with 3200 mhz memory. It runs just fine. All I had to do was update the bios before installing the cpu and then turn on the xmp profile in the bios for the memory. Just do a little research and ram with the best CAS you think fits in your budget. Do compare prices though, because sometimes you can find 3600 speed ram for not much more than 3200 if there is a good sale. In the end though it probably won't make a big enough difference you will actually notice while using it.
  14. There are literally thousands of people with that combination not having any problems, myself included.