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On 9/22/2022 at 11:55 AM, Leek Soup said:

Yeah when I’m taking it apart I’ll make sure to fully clean it and replace the thermal paste, it is really disgusting with lots of caked on dust from the last owner. I’ve got a tube of Arctic MX-4 to use on it. Thanks again for the advice. 

It's amazing the difference a year of use has on thermal paste. It was solid cake on mine before I repasted with the noctura nt-h2 paste.

Reckon when you refurb your card it'll be so much better and quieter 

Who needs a 40 series

1 hour ago, Leek Soup said:

Thanks for the recommendation, I’ll see if they ship to Ireland. 

Personally I think the Asus gpu fans are quite delicate. The bearings can be damaged by improper handling and/or by cleaning e.g. use of high power air putting too much pressure on one side of the bearing. Might of happened with your ex- mining card. As long as you're careful with them they seem ok generally.

If you do some maintenance on it, you can seriously improve the performance of older cards. So if I were you I'd take the opportunity to strip down and re- thermal paste and everything.

1 hour ago, Leek Soup said:

Thanks for the recommendation, I’ll see if they ship to Ireland. 

They should do. I'm in the UK.

May not be as cheap as AliExpress but they are definitely genuine parts straight from Asus' supplier.

This I can confirm with absolute certainty. They were with mine.

Here is my original thread at the time.

On 9/18/2022 at 4:30 PM, Leek Soup said:

My Asus Strix 3080 OC is a secondhand ex-mining card, and as a result the bearing on one of the fans of the fans is failing, causing the fan to wobble and make noise against the shroud at certain RPMs. So I can see I have 2 options:

-I can replace them myself, a set of 3 fans is EUR 12 on AliExpress

-I can deshroud the card and put on a pair of high static pressure 120MM fans (possibly the Phanteks T30?). The card has two fan headers on it so I would use those. 

The fans seem to be a common failure point of the card, so by putting on some high end high static pressure fans I would be eliminating this failure point. The main negative I can think of if I do this is cost, as a pair of Phanteks T30 would cost EUR 60 excluding shipping. I plan on keeping the card for a long time since it does more than what I need it for, so maybe that would make it worth the extra cost of the T30s?

 

What do you think I should do? Any suggestions or advice is welcome. 

I used this company to replace all my fans on my x2 Asus 980ti strix with genuine sourced replacements:

https://www.gpufanreplacement.com/

Would recommend.

The price was reasonable and I bought six and replaced the lot after about 4 or 5 years.

(Before my recent upgrade to 3080ti and the 980ti are put out to pasture in x2 office PC)

I had similar issues to you with the bearings on one. Since replacement. No issues whatsoever.

They are genuine sourced. Or were in my case. Matched exactly the fans product codes etc from Asus. Physically the same. But no failures to date after 1 to 2 years heavy use.

6 hours ago, Birblover12 said:

I just read about the RTX-4000 series reveal, and as the title infers, it's stupid. Moronic even. More specifically the price point given to the cards at hand. Let me explain:

 

The RTX 4090 $1599.00 USD

The RTX 4080 (16GB) is $1199.00 USD 

The RTX 4080 (12GB) is $899.00 USD

 

These prices are stupid. The RTX 3080 was $699 at MSRP, great card for a reasonable price. The main issue is that the 12GB variant of the 4080 is more akin to what really is the RTX 4070 performance wise, which means you're paying 80-tier prices for a 70-tier card.  The 3080 was great because taking into account price to performance it was the best, assuming you could get it near the base MSRP. But these prices just are horrible. 

 

This feels like Nvidia still thinks we're in the GPU crisis and is trying to milk its consumers for every last dollar they have. Obviously, we can't say for certain what performance will actually look like until release, but from what they've shown already it's looking like a LOT of people will be looking towards AMD & even Intel if they can push out new GPUs to compete. Only way I could see 4000 series being viable is with a 4060/4050 that's priced correctly, though those likely won't release for a year or two.

 

Nvidia is shooting themselves in the foot, first after the EVGA ordeal, and now this. I don't know how much patience their fan-base has, but something tells me it's running low.

For me it's got to the point that the phrase

"**** you Jensen"

Is literally my mantra.

I'd also add that Linus Sebastian and others in the tech community will look very out of touch if they think this blatant price gouging is acceptable to the average consumer

Just how much money do they think we're made of?

Consumers are not a bottomless pit.

When prices go excessive, consumers stop consuming and go elsewhere!

"**** you Jensen"

6 hours ago, Stahlmann said:

He didn't spend anything. It was a sponsored video. He paid for the 3 monitors with his video coverage.

The fact one was dented. Is beyond ironic.

LOL  

I'm enjoying my Samsung QN90B

How much has he spent on that Asus?

No doubt. Alot.

@Glenwing this thread is fantastic. Missing some HDMI2.1 references in its current version. But so so so informative.

Essential quick reference

On 9/16/2022 at 9:05 PM, Stahlmann said:

The cable you ordered is a certified 2.1 cable, so it should work no problems.

Nevermind 

HTC Vive has a spare mini display port I can use

https://www.vive.com/uk/support/vive/category_howto/when-to-use-mini-displayport.html

The fact I've also got a Titan Ridge thunderbolt 3 gives me so many further options too. It's meaning even though my RTX 3080TI only has one HDMI2.1 

I can display port to mini display port to the titan ridge then thunder bolt 3 to hdmi2.0 to the HTC Vive.

Alternatively just display port 1.4 to mini display port 1.4 on the Vive

Did good getting that thunderbolt 3 card last year. Never used it but got it just in case. Now looks like I will use it. For tv capture card too. 

I'm only constrained by what cables I have available...

BTW.

This thread is fantastic

On 9/16/2022 at 9:05 PM, Stahlmann said:

The cable you ordered is a certified 2.1 cable, so it should work no problems.

Ok, its here. Everything installed. Looks like I've got a good one, no broken pixels I can see and/or no backlight issues.

Another issue. I have a HTC VIVE that also requires a HDMI connection.

What do you recommend? My Asus RTX 3080Ti only has one HDMI2.1 thats being used by the tv/monitor.

I have displayport 1.4 cables and/or HDMI 2.0 cables and/or a Thunderbolt 3 card. But just not enough HDMI connections right now...

2 hours ago, e22big said:

You will definitely need to buy HDMI 2.1 - that's one drawback of using a TV as a monitor I guess, cable don't usually come in the set (at least the Q90A doesn't) 

 

Use HDMI 2.1 with a DP port via adapter will just going to add more complexity to your set up - and it may not work and caused you even more money. I have to switched between a few HDMI 2.1 even for the 3080 to work perfectly with Q90A.

 

Just buy a good one, with a good review, it's not worth your time and your frustration (not even gurantee to save you money.) 

I just installed the beast (GPU) ready for the monitor setup tomorrow morning

Everything is up up and running again PC side before changing monitors 

@Stahlmann Since the Samsung is a HDMI 2.1 connection only, I've purchased a dedicated HDMI 2.1 cable https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B08YD5SL4Y/

Arrives tomorrow. I've got a HDMI2.0 cable here which can use to then, but I know I'm limited to 60 Hz till then. I don't think I have any DisplayPort 1.4 to HDMI adapters. I've got HDMI and DisplayPort to DVI but nothing necessary here for this 4K screen.

Just thought, what the hell get a HDMI2.1 cable. That one on Amazon.co.uk has a lot of good reviews and reasonably priced.

I realise HDMI2.0 isn't going to cut it to get the full capabilities of the display.

By the way. I do actually have a thunderbolt 3 PCIe card with thunderbolt 3, I just haven't used...

Thats my GPU so no issues with HDMI2.1 or DisplayPort3
https://rog.asus.com/graphics-cards/graphics-cards/rog-strix/rog-strix-rtx3080ti-o12g-gaming-model/spec/

Like I say. Also have a Gigabyte Titan Ridge Thunderbolt 3 card 

https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/GC-TITAN-RIDGE-rev-20#kf

32 minutes ago, e22big said:

Just keep in mind though that when it comes to monitor, between Samsung and Gigabyte, the former is the one with the poor reputation (including a software update that straight up destroy the HDR hardware)

 

Gigabyte have reputations for PC hardware, PSU, motherboard and GPU but I've never heard any report of reliability issue from from them when it comes to a display. My unit have a minor issue (flickering at start up or when something touch its cable but pretty much perfect otherwise. I've never seen any VA with this good black uniformity and zero bleeding. 

 

Although being an HDR TV with effective FALD mean that QN90B should have pretty good black uniformity as well (as the backlight can be dimmed or turn off a lot more when displaying black image)

read the Amazon page review for the Gigabyte FV43U and/or online for 'broken pixels' etc

People mentioning how bad the QA is. Widely. https://www.reddit.com/r/gigabyte/comments/nco3xa/fv43u_with_tons_of_dead_pixels/

8 minutes ago, Stahlmann said:

You can mostly work around non-standard pixel layouts using proper clear-type settings. Also, you're gonna be using scaling most likely. Set that to 125% or 150% and text will be bigger either way. Even my LG OLED which uses WBGR (so even more non-standard than the FV43U) has excellent text clarity when used at 125% scaling and higher with the correct clear-type settings. QD-OLED has bigger problems though and the typical fixes have very mixed results.

Related, I'm changing my order to the Samsung QN90B 43 inch

Just cancelling the Gigabyte one now. Hadn't shipped yet

Between you and @e22big you convinced me to change

15 hours ago, e22big said:

Honestly that QN90B 43 inch is a good alternative though - and arguably a better option. 

 

I am using the Gigabyte 43U. It's 'fine' but definitely not perfect in may area. Dark transition is bad (which mean a a lot dark smearing), viewing angle is abyssmal poor, and there's visible dirty screen effect on solid colour image. But it make up for it in being one of the first affordable HDR 'monitor' in the market. And even then, it's not perfect (but actually worth using)

 

QN90B (43 inch) suffered from all of these issue - and more, but it also has a much stronger advantage in HDR. 300 dimming zones vs 8. And while it's a little worse off in every way, the disadvantages aren't as signficant as the advantages. 

 

If you care about HDR at all, there aren't a lot of reason to go with Gigabyte instead of Samsung. You lose some clarity at 144hz (but most games can't run at that frame rate anyway with the current hardware), and may have to deal with Samsung infamous QC issue (and have to deal with TV hassles), but otherwise QN90B 43 inch is a worthy successor of the FV43U (barely) 

 

*Also if you don't mind even bigger display, you can also go 50 inch. Not sure about the QN90B but the Q90A 50 inches doesn't have black smearing issue and also have a much better viewing angle than FV43U. I've compared these two exact displays personally.

I'm just in the process of cancelling my order (it hadn't dispatched yet)

I'm changing my order to the Samsung QN90B 43 inch

As I'm very concerned at some of the poor QA issues I've read with Gigabyte

Also needs to borne in mind, I'm retaining at least one of the Samsung S27D850T 27-Inch WQHD Monitor (Black) - (16:9, 1000:1, 350 cd/m², 2560 x 1440, 5 ms, HDMI/DisplayPort)

I'm intending to mount on a VESA arm mount, as a 'reading panel' 

So I think I'll be fine, I've read that there is adjustments that can be made per panel for text clarity (such as Windows ClearType)

From what I've read the BGR thing is common to all > 43" LED screens 

Having a separate 1440p screen as a side panel will help if I have any serious issues.

1 hour ago, Andrewtst said:

Gigabyte AORUS-FV43U is not good for productivity also as it use BGR subpixel layout which isn't ideal for text clarity. Beside this the VA panel is not good for sharing, if you use productivity for your own then ok but sharing content is not that good.

 

https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/gigabyte/aorus-fv43u

The only real alternative mentioned in this thread has the same (but actually worse score)

https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/samsung/43-qn90b-qled#page-verdict

I've got the Gigabyte on order n order arriving tomorrow

3 minutes ago, Stahlmann said:

It's using DP 1.4 DSC to achieve full 4K 144Hz without chroma subsampling. You don't need a new cable, DSC just needs to be supported by both the GPU and the display. All GPUs since RDNA (AMD 5000 series) and Pascal (Nvidia 10-series) support DSC afaik.

Ok, dude. I'll be using a RTX 3080Ti so that should be fine.

The cables I'm using are certified DP1.4 on https://www.displayport.org/

12 minutes ago, Stahlmann said:

For the extra 180 you get proper HDR with 360 dimming zones compared to the 8 you get with the Gigabyte. Since you're already spending a considerable amount of money you might aswell get a good HDR experience. Still, you need HDMI 2.1 on your GPU to properly run it.

I'm going to stick with the Gigabyte

Looks like I'm going to need new cables.... oh boy.

Apparently Display Port 1.4 only supports 120 MHz at 4k without compromising.

Display Port 2.0 will go higher.

The good thing is using a single monitor, I'll only need one cable not THREE

24 minutes ago, Stahlmann said:

The QN90B is a 144Hz TV.

Samsung 43 QN90B QLED Review - RTINGS.com

 

But for optimal text clarity it should be used at 120Hz.

Sorry I meant the Samsung tv I was looking at.

They appear about the same give or take. I use DP 1.4 cables for my existing setup (certified 3 meter cables, i.e. certified to give a specific resolution at their length by DisplayPort) and intend to use the same now

That Samsung does not have display port only HDMI 2.1.

Plus the price GB£999.00 is around another £180 on top of what I've just paid for the Gigabyte

 

11 minutes ago, Stahlmann said:

It also has a significantly better HDR implementation using a FALD backlight. But it's not worth twice as much imo. The Samsung QN90B 43" TV could also be an option.

The Samsung QN90B 43" TV is stuck at 60 Hz

I'm pulling the trigger on the https://www.scan.co.uk/products/43-gigabyte-fv43u-4k-monitor-va-3840x2160-144hz-1ms-freesync-hdr1000-40001-1000cd-m-hdmi-dp

I can get it for GB £689.00 ex tax so can add things like an enhanced installation protection warranty etc with delivery on Saturday (around GB £730.00 all in)

From what I can see whilst it may not be a 'perfect' monitor it, compromises to try to do everything I need, its VA LED and/or gives decent enough performance with a good lifetime, without breaking the bank. If the QA isn't good I can go back to Scan (I purchased my ASUS 3080Ti from them). They're a reputable supplier.

This means I can buy a separate OLED 4K tv, for doing that. TV/media and so on
 

8 minutes ago, Stahlmann said:

As a work display seems fine. HDR is garbage-tier though. But for your gaming sessions i'd still look for something high refresh rate.

I looked at the ASUS offerings, and unfortunately the compared to the Gigabyte FV43U you mentioned you're talking almost double the price, to get the same size, refresh and so forth

e.g. https://rog.asus.com/uk/monitors/above-34-inches/rog-strix-xg43uq-model/

2 minutes ago, Stahlmann said:

As a work display seems fine. HDR is garbage-tier though. But for your gaming sessions i'd still look for something high refresh rate.

From what I can see the Gigabyte FV43U you originally mentioned, at this size seems the best non OLED available.

Is that your view?

[SOOOO... many compromises have to be made, you're right OLED simply isn't worth the risk for me - as a TV yes, but not as a monitor at least not on what I've read]

Just now, Andrewtst said:

This is not a good monitor. It is only HDR 400 which is mediocre HDR performance, beside this it is only 60hz with very slow respond time.

 

By comparing with C2 you cancel which is top quality HDR performance with 120hz and great respond time.

I've already discounted it.

I've almost.. almost pulled the trigger on https://www.gigabyte.com/Monitor/AORUS-FV43U#kf

But I was just looking at this https://www.samsung.com/uk/tvs/qled-tv/qn90a-43-inch-neo-qled-4k-smart-tv-qe43qn90aatxxu/

... its tough at this size and 4K there is not many options and many compromises.

OLED is just something I cannot risk. I cannot risk spending that level to have burn in, and my use case (productivity and strategy gaming) is high potential for burn in.

I need a large workhorse but that looks good. The Gigabyte 43" tries to do that

But I'm looking at all the options

3 hours ago, Stahlmann said:

Normally i'd say the C2 is a great display and i use one myself. But as you say you also work on it, i wouldn't recommend OLED in your case. There are other options like the Gigabyte FV43U that aren't as good, but don't carry the risk of burn in.

@Stahlmann whats your views on that?

https://www.lg.com/uk/monitors/lg-43UN700