Simon771

That's all true, but you have to keep in mind what she said. Clock speed isn't final and will most likely get improved. And even if it stays about the same, it still seems like a great CPU, if price will be at least 150€ cheaper than i9 9900k. About single core performance ... well they tested it against CPU with same amount of cores. I would guess that if multicore performance isn't that different, same should be for single core performance as well. i9 9900k scores around 190 cinebench in single core ... if overclocked Zen2 can get to 200 score, it will surely be my next buy. Sadly we will have to wait for few more months before we get all specs and details, but I hope it will be worth the wait.

82°C is not a dangerous temperature for GPU ... I let it go to 85°C since that's still fine even for long term usage. It could be, that all other games aren't that demanding, and GPU simply didn't have to work that hard.

I would start to worry at 87°C. I have set my GPU to reach max 85°C and then it will slow down to keep it under that temperature. But since I do have a bit more aggressive fan curve, it doesn't even go above 75°C. Anything under 85°C is considered fine even for long term usage.

Okay, I found some info regarding HPE lifespan of SSD drives: https://h20195.www2.hpe.com/v2/GetPDF.aspx/c04154378.pdf Just like I predicted, even those have their limits. Sure some of those drives can handle 36PB of total writes, but those are expensive AF. Side note: I have been using my Samsung evo 850 for over 3 years now and have only used 18,6TB of writes on it.

If I'm not mistaken, all of the SSD devices have limited lifespan. That's just the way they work. https://www.samsung.com/semiconductor/minisite/ssd/product/consumer/860evo/ Here you can see that Samsung EVO 860 has guaranteed lifespan of 150TW writen on 250GB SSD, and all the way up to 2400TBs writen on 4TB sized SSD. There are some write-intensity SSD drives mostly for servers (we bought that in our company), but not sure what lifespan do they have ... will try to find some details.

I do agree with you, but there are some games that really prefer Intel strong cores ... In my case that game is (well it was) Black Desert online. With Ryzen 7 1700 event at 3,85GHz on all cores my FPS would drop to 35-50 in cities, but as soon as I went to i5 8600k at 5GHz, my FPS never dips below 60, and it most of the time at 75. Difference between 35 and 60 fps is a big deal for me, so that was a nice improvement. But it's also worth mentioning, that this scenarios was about 1 year ago. Since then, BDO made new improvements and patches, that fixed issue with Ryzen not performing that well, and now I see users with Ryzen 2700, with 70+ fps in cities and 100fps in other parts of the game. I'm still waiting for new Zen version of CPUs that will be able to clock to at least 4,7GHz on all cores. That's when I'll be buying AMD again.

Well that's too bad. I was hoping 7nm chips with 5GHz clock would come sometime soon. Seems like I will have to wait a bit longer for those hyped 7nm chips.

Intel 8th gen is known to have a tad bad thermals, but 100°C on non K version? It seems like something is really wrong here since I have my 8600k at 5,1GHz and max temp is 95°C after stress testing. I would double check if that CPU cooler is set on as it should be and try to reapply thermal paste.

Yeah I would, if it's still under warranty.

Windows 10 1809 is fairly new for normal consumers, so it's no surprise that vendors haven't tested all the drivers with all components on new 1809 version. But there wasn't anything that major done with this update, so I don't see any reason why you would have problems with this. You better hope, your PC won't turn of in the middle of BIOS upgrade ... it will get bricked and will need to be sent to repair. Luckily my motherboard have 2x BIOS, so if I brick one, I still have one as a backup.

That motherboard will be much better. That B360 doesn't even have any cooling for VRMs ... that motherboard is truly meant only for the lowest budget builds.

Well you can always sell your CPU and buy new one if you want. i5 8600k can easily get to 4,8GHz overclock on all cores, so that does make it quiet faster than 8400.

And if you do decide to upgrade to i7 on your platform, I would pick i7 2600k/2700k instead of i7 3rd gen simply because i7 2600k/2700k is soldered, and won't run as hot as i7 cpus from 3rd gen.

I would wait for new Ryzen 3 announcement and see how good those CPUs are going to be. It's scheduled for 9th January, so about 2 weeks to get more details on Ryzen 3000 series But if you don't want to spend money on new motherboard + cpu + ram and most likely also CPU cooler, upgrading to i7 2600k or 3770k might be best idea. You can get those used for 100€ in my country, and you can still sell your old CPU for something like 50€. So you would be only spending 50€ on this upgrade .... performance wise it will show improvement. On the other hand, Ryzen 3000 series won't come in cheap for your upgrade: 100€ for motherboard, around 200 for CPU, 150€ for RAM .... not that cheap in the end

So something like Hyper-V?

I'm also skeptical about Navi performance to compete with latest Nvidia ... But I do hope they will make some GPU that has performance of at least GTX 1070, and cost under 300€. That seems possible if you ask me.

Well I kinda knew from the start that this CPU isn't meant for playing and streaming, and to be honest it's fine for me, since I'm not into streaming at all. Games work great with this CPU, but it does get to 85% usage pretty fast. If Zen3 will be as great as everyone is hoping it to be, I will switch for sure. Otherwise I will just stay with my 8600k for another year

As i5 8600k owner at 4,8GHz daily overclock, I can just say that I'm waiting for Ryzen 3xxx series. If new Ryzen can achieve 200cb score in cinebench single core performance, I'm going with 12c/24 chip for sure. In my case, just playing a game will get my CPU to 85% most of the time. It does have 6 very strong cores, but games can be demanding. Can't imagine also putting stress of encoding and streaming on my CPU while I'm gaming.

Well that's great news, so it will cost me only 400€ for 1440p 144hz IPS monitor with freesync Now I just have to hope that Navi will in fact be able to achieve at least GTX 1070 performance for less than 300€.

I might be a bit ahead of myself with Navi hype, but if it turns out to be performing at RTX 2070 performance for like 300€, I will surely buy it. And I would like to pair it with 1440p 144Hz monitor with freesync. Now I'm looking on caseking.de to find perfect display for me, but I'm not sure what "IPS with LED back lighting" means. Currently I have DELL P2416D which is 1440p IPS display 60HZ (overclocked to 75Hz) --> And I'm deciding between these two: Acer Nitro VG270UPbmiipx --> https://www.acer.com/ac/en/GB/content/model/UM.HV0EE.P01 --> https://www.caseking.de/en/acer-nitro-vg270upbmiipx-68-58-cm-27-zoll-144hz-freesync-ips-dp-hdmi-tfac-057.html Acer XF270HUA --> https://www.caseking.de/acer-xf270hua-68-58-cm-27-zoll-144hz-freesync-ips-dp-hdmi-tfac-039.html The first one seems to be LED IPS, and 2nd is just IPS. But somehow I can't find official details about 2nd monitor. Would the first one offer me about same color depth as my current monitor? If not, what differences can I expect? Sadly I don't have an option to go and see those displays in some local store, since in my country they aren't even selling those, so I would just order it from Germany. Any other suggestions maybe on 1440p 144Hz freesync display? I would prefer IPS, since I had TN before and I don't feel like going back to it.

You can also contact shop, and ask them what BIOS version will they send you. Some local shops in my country also offer an option to upgrade BIOS for 15€.

Those are going to be some very price GPUs for sure.

16GB HBM2? That surely won't come with low price.

I don't have much knowledge about this ... I just hope it will in fact bring us GTX 1080 performance for those 250$. Honestly I would be fine with 350€ price in EU for that kind of GPU.

But Vega 56 and 64 are 14nm ... Navi should be 7nm if I'm not mistaken. So maybe less power draw/heating?