Alex D

Where are you getting these numbers? it's a forum, of course there are going to be people on either side of the fence. 9/10 is a huge exaggeration. Also, I'm not offended, if that's what it sounds like.
 
I don't see how my argument is weak. I never said that IEMs perform better on average in gaming scenarios, but I know that they can. Not only that, your argument is rather weak by basically saying that "soundstage is everything" and not considering comfort (look at gaming mice), value, etc. which obviously play a prominent role in determining which is better for gaming.
 
And how are "performance and value" different subjects? We're talking about which is better for gaming, you neglect the fact that they're of importance as well. We don't even know what games the end user would be playing, directional sound can oftentimes be useless in many games. I've tried gaming with budget IEMs with a rather poor soundstage in Battlefield 3 and it hasn't affected my scores negatively (if any game would benefit from good soundstage it would be that).

Clearly you didn't read my post. I said "Might want to read this thread if you're still convinced that over ear headphones are a better value". Value is less subjective than sound quality, and clearly there isn't much debate as to which reigns superior here. There are many people arguing that one or the other sound better, go ahead and quote as many posts as you want because there are plenty saying the opposite as well.

Might want to read this thread if you're still convinced that over ear headphones are a better value.
 
http://www.head-fi.org/t/639044/500-iem-vs-500-headphones
 
IEMs can have good bass, actually. Although over ear headphones have the advantage, IEMs like the IE8 have impressive bass and soundstage, so don't underestimate them.

They may seem to have a worse soundstage only because he's tried many more "full sized cans" than IEMs, and even if IEMs had a poor soundstage on average, that still doesn't make them the better gaming headphone. You fail to even mention other important factors such as comfort or (for some people) bass, depending on the game. At the price point these will be likely entering at, money is better spent on sound quality anyway where it wouldn't be spend to as large of a degree if it was an over ear headphone.

"I'm surprised the soundstage of the W4 is actually bigger than some of the full sized cans I have listened to ( Senn. hd 280 pro, Senn. hd 25-1 ll, B&W P5, AKG K181)"
 
"I agree with the fact that Westone 4's soundstage is wide"
 
http://www.head-fi.org/t/527694/westone-4-appreciation-thread-and-reviews-a-k-a-westone-4/1170
 
That's just from one page alone, there are dozens more throughout the thread.

They can outperform over ear headphones by quite a substantial amount, look at the Westone ES5's or 4/4R's for example. From my experience their performance/dollar ratio is superior to that of over ear headphones, actually.

Omnidirectional microphone? That's not optimal for gaming.

How are you not cherrypicking? If you're going to accuse me of that, read your own posts because you've been doing the exact same thing. My argument is that IEMs can be good for gaming, from what you've said you come across as favoring over ear headphones a lot more than IEMs and I don't think that's justified.
 
You were implying that soundstage is the only important factor. You even said yourself that other factors are "irrelevant". You can say all you want one or the other would "most likely be better" in most games, but until you have actual first hand experience with them rather than relying on other people's opinions it doesn't mean anything.
 
Obviously "some IEMs are a good value, and some are not", likewise with over ear headphones. My point is that on average IEMs seem to hold a superior value, especially considering how the vast majority of IEMs hardly benefit from an amp unlike with over ear headphones.
 
I don't see why comfort "shouldn't be mentioned", it's a valid point and with each headphone there is usually a general consensus as to how comfortable it is.
 
Actually, sound quality is quite important while gaming. I remember trying really cheap headphones and not even hearing many sounds that would be beneficial to hear such as footsteps. I never said that it's always important, but it's definitely worth considering especially since these IEMs will likely be a more budget friendly solution and the headphones that these people would be coming from will almost definitely be very poor sounding. Like you said, "going from a 10 dollar to 50 dollar headphone" will be a "big leap".
 
Again, I never said that soundstage isn't important, but you're largely overemphasizing its importance. In popular FPS games like Battlefield 3, headphones with a narrow soundstage won't make as noticeable of a difference in your performance as you may expect (at least from my experience), this is where sound quality does become important (being able to distinguish footsteps from another noise is important).

"The soundstage isn't that great (about the ES5)
However, if you really want soundstage, you will probably need full size headphones. (about the Westone 4)
that soundstage would never match an open hp, but if I could get slightly more, I would be happy (about the se530, which according to the thread are fairly similar to the W4)"
 
That isn't cherry picking? If you're going to accuse me of doing it, you should read your own posts first. Also, I never said that you explicitly said they are bad for gaming, but the way that you're describing them is unfavorable and that "only in some instances are they actually good".
 
You practically did. We're arguing about how good IEMs vs over ear headphones are for gaming and you won't even talk about any other factors than soundstage.
 
Quote: "Also, you keep bringing up completely different subjects such as "performance" or "value" and so on, while I've been talking about soundstage. Please try to stick to one thing and don't be all over the place when having a discussion."
 
That thread also says that on ear headphones are a worse value because many "good" ones require an amp to show their full potential. I also never said that because they don't benefit from an amp, they're a good value ("Do you even read my post or do you just read 1/3 of them?")... it's the fact that it's one less component that needs to be purchased or used if you're buying IEMs.
 
I know what subjective means... sound quality is also subjective and yet you don't seem to be against talking about that. There is often a general consensus as to whether a product is ugly, comfortable, has better sound quality, etc. (subjective measurements), so it's at least worth noting.
 
"Please try to keep your arguments objective"? Whether one headphone sounds better than another is subjective, if anyone doesn't know what the meaning of subjectivity is it's you.
 
For some reason I thought you said sound quality is not important for gaming.
 
I never said that "being able to distinguish footsteps from other noises does not equal good sound quality", but it is indicative of it. 
 
I'm not arguing that sound quality is more important than soundstage or anything like that anyway, it really depends on what they'll be used for. The point is that you're overemphasizing soundstage as being the ultimate determining factor for whether headphones are suitable for gaming or not, and won't even consider things like value (These are probably going to be targeted at budget-oriented consumers... If you're only going to be paying <$100 which most gamers wouldn't be very willing to exceed, it's actually quite important).
 
I never said that you said "IEMs are bad for gaming" either, but the way you describe them makes them seem undesirable. It's like if you said "luxury cars generally aren't a good purchase", sure you aren't saying that all luxury cars shouldn't be purchased but you're saying that they mostly aren't, save for a few. What I'm saying is that they're better than you think, to be completely honest it doesn't sound like you have much experience with using them in games at all.
 
How was I cherry picking? Battlefield 3 is a fairly good sounding game in some aspects that would benefit from a decent soundstage. It's not like I'm choosing some random game and saying that they work fine, hundreds of thousands of people still play this game actively.
 
We already do, what we don't agree on is that IEMs are better for gaming than you think.

I was gonna say that!

how to build a computer without breaking anything?

Not me.

That is intel temps, FX-8350 turns of automatically at 75ºc

Thanks for posting a guide on this. It's unfortunate that there are still some people that post topics needlessly without reading this article.

It depends on how far the VRM componentry protrudes from the motherboard.

I think that you might be better off making the top radiator an exhaust and have 140mm intakes in the front. That'll reduce dust accumulation and eliminate the need for a top dust filter.

Mine is in my signature.

I don't know if you can, but personally I don't like the look of them. Maybe you should consider using 90 degree fittings with clear tubing.

Technically yes, but the optical sensor is only used when surface calibration is enabled, but personally I don't like the feature so I don't recommend using it. The laser sensors are identical, though.

The 3930K is very comparable to the 3960X. It's great for video editing, but is overkill for most games.
 
As for the GPU, it really depends on what you play.

There seem to be some issues with Sony Vegas Pro and hyper threading, as described here: http://www.videoforums.co.uk/sony-vegas-media-studio/28851-warning-intel-core-i7-users.html
 
It seems like the 3570K would be the better choice. Good luck.

It's really only for looks. It has a negligible effect on cooling performance and since most are brushed aluminium, they're rather useless for any sort of protection other than from electricity.

I'm using the AX760 as of now and it's treated me well so far. It's capable of running two GTX Titans in SLI and doesn't come with the (in my opinion) gimmicky digital power functionality.

Check out my avatar, it's all in a Define R4. I LOVE Noctua's fans, there are 3 NF-A14's and 2 NF-F12's on the H100i.

A good mouse, keyboard and a fast monitor are very important. Also, be sure that you have at least 60 frames per second constantly, it'll help you out the most.