ClonicMechanics

2 hours ago, Bombastinator said:

Most often with those they behave a lot like macs that don’t work as well.  It’s very often factory parts or nothing because they’re only sort of atx even if they’re x86.  Varies a bit though.

not really worried about that Im really just looking at taking the cpu and the drives out of it

22 minutes ago, Bombastinator said:

There’s always the hardcore one: starve it of power.  Unplug everything, pull the CMOS battery and leave the power to drain away.

next try. Ill update with results in the mean time im going to look at some contingency plans for board for the cpu of the other system I have I think its 8th gen but im going to have to figure out if its a sodered system or not its a prebuilt hp so dont know.

27 minutes ago, Bombastinator said:

Well if you changed the memory it’s going to say something like that.  I don’t know what this old truck you are referring to is.

The only other thing that shows anything is a A0 bios code but I havent been able to find much information on that code besides it saying the board is ready for drives. its almost like I cant actually finish clearing the cmos. Ive tried the pins shorting methods and changing the battery to no avail. IDE has been given control aka The OS, but thats the thing there is no drive hooked up.

4 minutes ago, Bombastinator said:

Well if you changed the memory it’s going to say something like that.  I don’t know what this old truck you are referring to is.

Online Msi has a way that you can have the board flash the bios from a usb stick if you have the hardware a certain way. I tried it but nothing besides that happened.

2 minutes ago, Bombastinator said:

Well crap.  Back to the bios thing.  Stuffing the original drives back in it just to see if there’s some sort of weirdness there where it will go to bios with attached drives but not without them (which shouldn’t happen but one never knows) is a possible thought.  I don’t hold out much hope myself

1 minute ago, Bombastinator said:

Well crap.  Back to the bios thing.  Stuffing the original drives back in it just to see if there’s some sort of weirdness there where it will go to bios with attached drives but not without them (which shouldn’t happen but one never knows) is a possible thought.  I don’t hold out much hope myself

well I wouldnt imagine that would work at this point theyve been reformatted and used in another system. 

Just now, Bombastinator said:

Just saying older stuff can have more go wrong.   There can be additional possibles

I agree with you I just hate to throw it out if it doesnt have anything wrong with it. I know everyone wants new pcs and stuff but I actually like tinkering with older stuff like this hell I have stuff older then this at home from the athlon days that I mess with a lot.

Just now, ClonicMechanics said:

I understand age on hardware being a thing. The board itself wasnt abused before I got it. Ive seen other system its age still running well.

I have a possible back up system I could finish for the person in question. I was originally giving it too but its not without its headaches as well because its a new prebuilt so the motherboard form factor and other issues could arise. If the board was truly toast as well Id imagine I wouldnt even be getting to this point.

 

I could try going back to basics and pulling it out of the case.

Just now, Bombastinator said:

Doesn’t change the age.

I understand age on hardware being a thing. The board itself wasnt abused before I got it. Ive seen other system its age still running well.

I have a possible back up system I could finish for the person in question. I was originally giving it too but its not without its headaches as well because its a new prebuilt so the motherboard form factor and other issues could arise. If the board was truly toast as well Id imagine I wouldnt even be getting to this point.

Just now, Bombastinator said:

It should theoretically enter bios without any drives in it at all.  Just needs a cpu and memory.  Have you tried pulling the drives and seeing if it enters bios? 

I already pulled them

1 minute ago, Bombastinator said:

Z77 means it’s sandybridge or ivybridge or something.  I’ve got a z97 system I consider geriatric. It will run win10, mostly because win10 was unusually open that way. My z97 system originally had win7 on it which I updated to 8.1 and then 10.  It’s pretty old. 

This system ran windows 10 fine for a few years before I acquired it. That was both as a office pc with no gpu and as a budget gaming pc before it came to me as well.

1 minute ago, ClonicMechanics said:

yep you got it.

 

Tried changing ram to 1 dimm to try to do a old bios flash trick but now its like this

7 minutes ago, Bombastinator said:

That hdmi cable implies you’re running off the iGPU.  I take it it never actually enters setup?

yep you got it.

I also have some more images

20 minutes ago, Bombastinator said:

Some (but not all) motherboards have a “bios flashback” or some other often patented system by which a new bios can be loaded without the use of various sections of the machine. If a motherboard does NOT have such a function generally the only people who can replace the bios is the manufacturer and it is considered “bricked”. There are people who won’t buy a motherboard without such a system.

 

p.s I keep reading clonicmechanics as colonicmechanics which leaves me imagining a person holding a big hose with a both perplexed and horrified look on his face.

Lmao anyway Im not sure if this board has a flash back or not. Finding information on this board has been a little hard besides the manual. The thing is the board was working before I took it off line. The only things that were removed from the system were the Drives and the GT 1030 I had in it. The case was a bit of a junker where the motherboard tray is bent a bit. but the standoffs and everything else are fine. The only bit of the board that moves a bit is the IO. I already looked at the back of the board no traces are damaged or anything. I mean if it could be the Hdmi cable in the port on the board could be causing it to short out I would think I would have seen something else happen by now. I could try putting another gpu back in it I have a gt 710 laying around for such purposes but I dont know where to go from here. If the bios at this point bricked the board Im still not sure how at this point. I could try cleaning the chipsets and see whats happening there. I could try taking the cooler off and reseating the cpu. Im really just trying to rule everything out before I have to start throwing money at something.

P.S Clonic means Chronic Headache. Story of my life.

18 minutes ago, IkeaGnome said:

Have you put a new CMOS battery in this lately? Try that. CR2032.

Tried that already

On 9/26/2021 at 11:00 AM, Bombastinator said:

If it’s brand new it might have a current bios or it might not.  Intel doesn’t need repeated bios reflash the way AMD stuff often does because people making stuff for it will make allowances whereas they tend not to for AMD (getting less true) so AMD stuff often has to keep dead current or there are problems.  Everything can be corrupted though, so in this case it’s not about the current bios so much as simply rewriting what you’ve got to erase any possible errors. 

I currently can't get into the bios at the moment. Like I said it gets to entering setup then freezes. Im not sure how else I can reflash the bios without getting into the bios. Sorry for the late reply I work as well and thats been taking up a lot of my time.

1 minute ago, Bombastinator said:

Ah. Coding is data entry and as such is potato. It’s the compiling that trades horsepower for potentially large amounts of time.  You can do it on a low spec machine, it just takes longer (days sometimes) With Linux one doesn’t much care what windows is up to.

This still doesnt really give me a possible way to proceed.

Windows 11 is not a major concern for this system.

The system was working for over a year with no issues I dont see any damage to the board at the moment.

1 minute ago, Bombastinator said:

So the bios is messed up then, or something more fundamental on the board is out of whack.  When a board is sufficiently old it starts to become vulnerable to a whole other set of potential problems like slow corrosion and crystallization and bad capacitors and all sorts of obnoxious stuff.

 

im not sure selling a machine that old to people who know little about computers is a kindness. The thing will never work with win11

The computer was intended as just a house computer to mess with for linux coding. That was all.

Hey guys I have an issue with a board I bought my brother about a year ago. Its a MSI z77a-g41. Ive had it sitting off for a few months after I last cleaned it. I built him a new system. The issue is now I was going to sell it to some people that just needed a basic computer. I booted it up with some new drives. I wanted to get in the bios to check everything was working right. I got a error code of A2 which means a drive wasn't being detected or the cable was messed up. I unplugged all sata devices and reset the cmos to be sure I could get into the bios. I get to the setup screen and press f2 to enter setup. It shows the line for entering setup then freezes and the cpu fan proceeds to ramp up as if it was under heavy load. I had an issue with this board before because of this but it turned out to be the E-sata port on the case not the board itself. Help would be appreciated.

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CPU: Intel Core i5-3470 3.2 GHz Quad-Core Processor
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler
Motherboard: MSI Z77A-G41 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard
Memory: ADATA XPG V1.0 8 GB (2 x 4 GB) DDR3-1600 CL11 Memory
Storage: Kingston A400 480 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive
Case: NZXT Phantom ATX Full Tower Case
Power Supply: EVGA BQ 500 W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply
Optical Drive: LG WH14NS40 Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Writer

Just now, mt123 said:

Well if you said your budget is up to $1,600, then that G14 is $100 under you price cap. I mean if you're accounting for the after tax/ shipping price, then year, it might be over. But then again, you won't have to pay shipping if you can find one of these at your local best buy. Here in the Northeast of the US I've had no problem finding these. Literally found these puppies at every best buy within a 25 mile radius in my area

true I'm still considering if I want a system truly comparable to my main system or do I want it a bit more budget wise The version with the 1650ti is right around $1100.