MarkFMB

Don't worry, you'll get used to it after a good 5-6 months and at least start enjoying games again. There will be times when you get pissed at it again when you fire up a game where the problem is particularly marked... but you learn to mostly ignore it on most games with the right tweaks and settings.

Look at the bright side... the day we finally get rid of it you'll be super happy again like a toddler on christmas morning. Even though, seeing where we stand  right now, we probably won't resolve it as much as "surpass" it. What i mean is that i don't think it'll ever be resolved, but with new technologies it will prolly eventually become irrelevant and not feature at all... DX12 games already seem to be almost uneffected by this horrific issue. Prolly when whatever causes this stops featuring in or being used by new software we'll stop suffering as well.

Before that happens... remember, 4k dsr and TXAA are your best pals. And if you ever need to move to a new hosue sell everything and buy everything from scratch, and i mean everything. TVs, pcs, consoles etc.etc. That might do the trick.

Isn't the northbridge the PCH now though and all other north bridge operations have been on the CPU for years now?

Has anyone moved house and tried not bringing anything from his old house? Like buying new pc and all its peripherals new, including screens, new tv, consoles, external hds etc.etc.? Cause that's what i'm planning on trying when i move out on my own. Selling pc, ps4, screens, peripherals etc.etc. and buy everything new. Wipe external hds and throw them in the junk.  Buy new tv, new cables, new router with a new internet connection for the new house. New pendrives. Not accessing to any file that i might have stored online in cloud storages on my new devices. Everything. Might takes some time, 1 year or more to reach that point, but that's the plan. If that doesn't work i dunno what will.

Meanwhile i've started enjoying games again on pc. DSR + tweaking of inis and Nvidia control panels + SweetFX makes most titles ALMOST normal. Some things like blocky shadows shaped like chainsaws crawling everywhere or fucking triangle shaped jaggy shadows on characters faces out of nowhere will never die i guess... and some staircase white jaggies still remain... but MOSTLY you can manage to make them look normal (even if you have to spend a good 2 hours tweaking a game before you can even play it). On my PS4 the matter is totally different. Can't do anything there, so i'm really cringing when playing it, like feeling like i want to poke my eyes out and throw the console out of the window... but i'm enduring painfully for the exclusives i want to play (hang in there FFXV, i'll finish you even if you look like a ps2 game someone shit on sometimes... i promise brah <3).

To anyone saying "OMG YOU'RE ALL MAD, THIS IS TOTALLY NORMAL", i had like a 16-17 years old son of a friends' couple here tonight, and i hook him up on my ps4 cause he was getting bored. He tried some FFXV and after 10 minutes he comes to me and says "WOW Graphics are really awesome on this game... but what are those white flashing lines and shapes on grates, poles and straight stuff? And why shadows and foliage are flickering like that? That's not normal i think you have some issues with tv or ps or something". Took him 10 minutes to notice, didn't even tell him anything beforehand cause i was curious if he would notice or if it's normal as some unhelpful chaps around the internet claim. I was so happy i almost wanted to kiss him (ofc i didn't).

This is honestly the weirdest and more mysterious issue i ever had with something technology-related. It's clear by now that the whole issue is shadow acne tbh. It's not aliasing or anything imho. It's something totally fucking up and messing with the shadow mapping. What and how is mysterious though, cause something like that should surely be SW related, but that wouldn't explain how and why it passes through hardware as it's apparent it does by now...

Just out of curiosity... have you tried bringing the ps4 and monitor back to your friend's house? If so it goes back to normal or does it still look ugly?

Not to be THAT GUY, but this topic is already filled with speculations, doubts and unsolved misteries, so it would be better to keep it clean from issues that don't concern the matter at hand duzy-wonsz. Just open another topic to ask for help with graphical issues for specific games or general blue screens / driver failures and i'm sure there'll be plenty of people willing to help.

Here the topic is not about any graphic error your card or drivers might have, it's about people with seemingly broken AA on their systems experiencing very specific shimmering, staircase effects and white jaggies, all complemented by some low res shadow glithces and for some texture pop-ins in ANY softawre or video being played/run.

Just started Dragon's Dogma today. As much as i've accpeted by now this problem and am enjoying gaming fully again... this really tears my heart apart everytime i start a new game anyway until i get used to it... especially if it's pronounced like in this one. Just look at the shadows and the swimming textures on the buildings...

*breathes calmly* *tries not to cry* *mans up* Ok, let's just keep thinking and testing... something will come up eventually... i just know it.




I know this is a port of a last gen game, so the artifacts are prolly more pronounced on this one than in others due to an old engine clashing with whatever is causing this LOS/Aliasing shit, still, that's now how it plays on other systems and other videos i saw online. And that's with 4k dsr as you can see at a certain point where i chage resolution.

P.S.: the game, graphical shit aside, is an instant classic and i reccomend it to any lover of action rpgs (it's offtopic, but bear with me, feels good to say something postive for a change in this thread of doom, gloom and despair).

Jesus how i'd wish i had enough money to pay the trip to all the skeptical people who still discard our problem as real to come here and check it out with their own eyes...

No matter how many times you tell them you had it appear from one day to another, how many times you say you checked friends pc with same specs and they don't have it, they still won't believe you... *sigh*.

Made a video to show one of the games where i can perceive the problem the most MGSV. Notice all the sharp lines, fences, railings etc.etc. in the distance. I know this game has poor AA in its engine, so that's prolly why it's more pronounced than in others. Still you can see in the vid how bad the isse gets when disabling DSR and reverting to native. That's seriously not how the game plays normally at native, i've seen it in other rigs, i've seen it in other videos, i've played it before on my old pc. Something is at work there. You can see it's even pretty shimmery with 4k dsr as well. Also on my old card the game ran smoothly without any of these artifacts (or if any, they were so limited to the point i never noticed any in 40 hours of gameplay, while i noticed these ones in less than 10 second on first startup and you can very well guess why seeing how pronounced they are without DSR). Now that i tried that old card on my rig and possibly "infected" it, it shows these same symptoms.

(At a certain point i revert back to 4k DSR and the screen capture program seems to be unable to pick it up again for some reason, but there's plenty to go on even before that point so don't mind that).

I think we all know very well what aliasing is, thank you. The whole point is that we, with this problem, are getting insane amounts of it (at least temporal aa), almost like no AA is applied at all no matter how many settings we enforce. You've seen the video during the 1080p seconds. No, that's not normal aliasing with AA enabled. Every texture in the distance is crawling back and forth and shimmering at the speed of an olympic athlete non-stop. Go compare it to other gameplay videos you find around. See if it's the same. I also said multiple times with my old card, none of that was present and no it's not a case of what has been seen cannot be unseen, cause i wasn't using dsr or tweaks or anything on my old card so it should have played like the 1080p version, which would have been impossible not to notice since it basicly looks like a ps2 game. It was just not present or present to such a small degree as to be unnoticeable in more than 40 hours of gameplay. Now it has "infected" that card as well.
I'd argue while in 4k dsr a distracted or unconcerned gamer might not notice it, cause it looks a lot better (even if it's still pretty visible). But 4k dsr is not how the game is meant to be played, most rigs couldn't handle it, my own pc with all the nice penny i spent on it can't maintain 30fps everytime in it and i'm still using it cause othetwise the game looks like a hot fuming pile of dung (you can very well see it in 1080p). Jesus my old pc had 6 years old cpu and ram and still managed it on high settings without any of those artifacts. That, right there, is not normal.

I think we all know very well what aliasing is, thank you. The whole point is that we, with this problem, are getting insane amounts of it (at least temporal aa), almost like no AA is applied at all no matter how many settings we enforce. You've seen the video during the 1080p seconds. No, that's not normal aliasing with AA enabled. Every texture in the distance is crawling back and forth and shimmering at the speed of an olympic athlete non-stop. Go compare it to other gameplay videos you find around. See if it's the same. I also said multiple times with my old card, none of that was present and no it's not a case of what has been seen cannot be unseen, cause i wasn't using dsr or tweaks or anything on my old card so it should have played like the 1080p version, which would have been impossible not to notice since it basicly looks like a ps2 game. It was just not present or present to such a small degree as to be unnoticeable in more than 40 hours of gameplay. Now it has "infected" that card as well.
I'd argue while in 4k dsr a distracted or unconcerned gamer might not notice it, cause it looks a lot better (even if it's still pretty visible). But 4k dsr is not how the game is meant to be played, most rigs couldn't handle it, my own pc with all the nice penny i spent on it can't maintain 30fps everytime in it and i'm still using it cause othetwise the game looks like a hot fuming pile of dung (you can very well see it in 1080p). Jesus my old pc had 6 years old cpu and ram and still managed it on high settings without any of those artifacts. That, right there, is not normal.

Yeah i'm aware that Fermi cards had less flickering/shimmering than Maxwell. Apparently LOD clamping in Maxwell doesn't work in dx applications, even if weirdly enough the option is still there on control panel.
That's also why i tried to rationalize this in the start as "that's how these cards handle lod". Than i saw friends with same configurations showing no issue or very small issue due to this, abyss less pronounced then what i'm getting at basic settings, without DSR and tweaking (and in almost every game). That's when i knew a problem was there. Could it be some Maxwell cards are defected and in some way screw over hardware/firmware and we were the lucky one to get them? To be honest i don't think so... i'm not one of the conspiracy theorists blaming nvidia or anything, also cause some older cards seem to show this issue and some ATI as well (even if i don't know if those owners who reported it previously had a Maxwell card and passed the issue on just as i did with testing on my 2 older cards, heck i don't even know if they reported the same issue or just were newbies who didn't tweak basic settings to get rid of it easily). But some sort of problem for some of us i'm pretty sure is there. It could be a rootkit/gpu virus maybe... I know it's a very very ver farfetched option and i'm very very very skeptical it's that... but it's been theorized in unis and in hacker circles they could be a new thing atm/near future as a way to hide viruses so i give it a 0.0001% it could be that . I did way too much testing/comparing/reading on the web from fellow sufferers who did testing/comparing as well to think it's just paranoia born from being exposed to the new cards and their ways to handle aa and lod. Just wish i'd know what it was even if it was not fixable... not knowing is the worst.