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That's an incredibly in-depth answer and not something I would ever have considered. (I probably should have, since I have a niche, indie case specifically for those reasons.) Thank you!
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Still, at least a line in articles about minimums would be nice. Thanks for the tip about tftcentral, I'll have to check them out. Phentos, out of curiosity, I've always known that turning the brightness down would decrease accuracy (which makes sense, you're giving it a smaller range to play with) but how much of a difference does that actually make?
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Okay, so I'll preface this by saying that I totally get it in the case of HDR monitors, where their whole point is that different sections of the monitor are at different brightnesses. However... As the title suggests... I really, really don't understand why monitor reviews (and monitor specs, and so forth) and only ever mention a monitor's maximum brightness. Sure, if you're going to be using the monitor for content creation under a dozen fluorescent lights anyways, then maybe that's all that matters. But surely I'm not alone in being a gamer who plays mostly at night, and has all of his screens turned down to minimum brightness? I want reviews to start at least mentioning how dim a monitor can get, plus associated side effects. Dozens of monitors on the market have serious issues at low brightness; my iiyama howls like a banshee because of coil whine in the PSU whenever it's below 50% brightness. Other monitors I've tried have a minimum brightness that's still enough to illuminate an entire room completely and hurt your eyes at night. Are all reviewers people who sleep with their overhead lights on? I just don't understand. What are your guys' thoughts on this? Am I just a crazy person, or does this issue bother you too? How many of you use your screens at the dimmest setting possible?
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Heh, I started getting into mini ITX cases when the Bitfenix Prodigy came out and wowed everybody - compared to that, the rvz01 is downright svelte. ;p And yes, the 450w PSU is going to be more than sufficient. The i3 is a 60w part - if we're building in a ridiculous amount of overage, call it 100w after overclocking. The 1070 is only 150w on top of that. Add perhaps 50w for all the other miscellaneous power draws (which is, again, a very, very high estimate), and you're looking at only 300w. I would be comfortable using a 1080 in this system without feeling the need to upgrade the PSU. With your 65w, locked CPU and 120w graphics card, It'd be happy in a super-tiny rig using the HDplex FlexATX 300w power supply, like the S4 Mini uses.
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Hi guys! Just received my white Sentry, and wanted to write a couple words about the unboxing experience and my first impressions. I'll be quoting from the post that I wrote on [H]ardforum: Thanks, guys!
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I suggest Killian's Red. It isn't offensive at all, but actually has flavor, unlike the bottled dog pee that passes for beer amongst hipsters. Also, if you do end up designing something to put watercooling in this case, I'd love to see the designs!
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See, that I can totally agree with, Dackzy. I imagine that a lot of people are going to pair this case with an i5 and a 1060. However, with some (admittedly serious) attention paid to thermals, I think there will be plenty of people stuffing i5s and 1070-1080s in it. In particular, I think the 1070, once the awful FE cooler is scrapped and the far superior GTX 1080 cooler is strapped on, will perform wonderfully.
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You can decide to call it whatever you like. There's no reason to be so antagonistic nor to talk trash about something you clearly have no interest in using as it's being presented. As for the difference in coolers, go back and read what I wrote again. An open-air cooler leads to a cooler GPU but a slightly hotter CPU, exactly as expected. You can get exact numbers in this video at about 4:20 in. I also wouldn't exactly call an i5 + a 1070 a mid range gaming PC, as it'd be perfectly acceptable for even 1440p gaming. Builds too much beyond that really are for people who either a) Have a lot of disposable income and want something ridiculous or b) only care about their e-peen. Now then, MageTank. Apologies on the image; I thought I had seen a more recent one, but couldn't find it on a cursory examination. I'll have to look into those coolers more - last I had seen, the LP53 with a noctua fan and the C7 with a noctua fan performed about equal. Either way, I don't know that we can get a definitive answer until the cases are in backers' hands and we start seeing some benchmarks with different coolers. Personally, I'll probably go for the Dynotron mod, but when I have a bit of spare change, I'll pick up the other popular options and do a comparison. Cheers for the respectful discussion, it was both interesting and informative.
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Oh, I don't deny that it can dissipate heat well under good conditions, it's just had some serious issues. ID-Cooling apparently has some QA issues, because a lot of reviewers found that their sample was extremely concave - to the point that even with increased mounting pressure and what was probably too much TIM, the center of the base still wasn't making contact with the CPU. The dynatron cooler is very similar, but it's built to much tighter standards, since it's designed for servers, and has a slightly larger area, which is its biggest advantage. I wasn't trying to use experience as a cudgel, and I apologize if it came across that way. My knowledge of SFF computing was questioned and I was simply providing my credentials to provide experience as to the issues we face. When it comes to extremely small CPU coolers, I would probably defer to the Coolteck LP53. This image is from testing done in the Dan A4, but that case has the same 48mm cooler restriction as the Sentry faces. That being said, these tests are on a ~65W CPU, not a 95W one. It's going to prove difficult to handle that much heat in a small area, and I'd almost look to custom hardline watercooling to be able to cram a radiator in somewhere.
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Fair enough, I suppose - in that case, it can be both a media PC or a powerful gaming PC. I'll get my credentials down right away: I've been building small form factor computers since I knew enough to design and build them on my own. I've built 4 or 5 SFF gaming computers, including a custom wooden one with watercooling housed in a separate radbox. I've currently got a 10 liter, 16TB server, and my gaming PC is in a Raven RVZ01 with a modded NH-L12 to cool my i5. I'm active on small form factor forums, and have been for upwards of six years. I read what magetank said, but it was apparently different from what you read; he's using a cooler that isn't extremely good at dissipating heat, on a "K" sku chip, under operating conditions that stress the CPU a lot more than normal. He also chose to delid. If you use a 65W i7, like the i7-7700, and use a good heatsink on it like the two I mentioned, it's not going to have any issues whatsoever. By "the thermal tests we've done," I'm talking about the community that's excited about this case. With a modded Dynotron cooler, which simply involved using long screws and nuts to secure the cooler, temperatures stayed around 60C during a CPU stress test. Multiple tests have been done using the intel stock heatsink, seeing about 65C during gaming. As for the graphics card, you're talking without a basis of reference. The case has been tested extensively and is compatible with many different aftermarket cards. The difference between an open-air cooler and a blower cooler in this case is about 2 degrees less on the GPU and 3 degrees more on the CPU. It handles a gtx 1080 without any issues whatsoever, so again... from where are you basing these assumptions? You seem to have just decided that it's going to be hot and a bad option no matter what, when all the evidence goes thee other way. If you want to write off the case as only being good for an HTPC, go ahead, you're free to do that and there's no need for you to buy one. But why disparage it and try and discourage others from using it the way it was designed?
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Actually, most of the "ITX" versions of the 1070 are terribly designed and don't fit this case anyways - they're much, much taller than PCIe spec. The case will happily accommodate a full-sized GPU, be it reference or a reasonably sized open air cooler. You seem to have made a snap judgement and are wanting to stick to it, but... Who in the world is going to spend $200 on a case for a media PC? Personally I'm going to stuff it with the fastest 65w quad core out there, a full-sized GTX 1070 or 1080, and use it as my main rig - while being able to throw it in my bag and take it over to a friends'. As for it being hot, look at some of the thermal tests we've done. Unless you're doing something sensationalist, like Linus did, and using a 22-core CPU and 250W GPU, heat is not going to be a problem.
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Just as a note, you can absolutely swap the front panel usb for usb 3.1 gen 2; it's just a matter of finding one moulded to reference spec. You can also buy a RGB vandal switch to replace the power button if you so desire. ;p Oh, and as for cooling, Dackzy, there is the option of a modded dynatron lga 2011 cooler or the thermolab LP53 with a shorter noctua fan. Are those options going to let you overclock to mad heights? No.. but they'll keep a locked i5 or i7 at perfectly cool temps. It's up to you whether that trade-off is worth it for such a small case. Personally, it seems minor; small form factor has always been about which compromises to make.
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I mean... Their minimum was 100 units. They didn't know how many people would be interested; other indie cases like this have either exploded and sold insanely well, or just sold about 150 units over the course of months. They didn't know how much interest to expect, and so were excited that so many people were liking what they had designed enough to drop $200 on it.
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Fair enough, lesson learned. It's my first time writing a news post; LTT is a tertiary forum for me.
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Yeah, I feel you there. I mean, $200 is comparable to other cases developed like this, but it is a bloody lot of money. I justified mine by saying that it's built so well that I wouldn't ever have to worry about a case for a long, long time. (Especially when I look over at my Raven RVZ01, which is a nice case, but... all the little plastic clips are wearing out and I'm missing a foot because they're poorly attached and my case travels a lot.)
