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    agent_x007 got a reaction from Overl0rd in How bad is this $5000 PC from 10 years ago?   
    I better comment this, before someone thinks it's all true...
    1) Max. L2 cache you can get for LGA 771/LGA 775 is 12MB (in 2x 6MB slice), there are no Xeon CPUs on this platform that have more than 12MB.
    2) There are no X54xx series CPUs with 12MB of cache and FSB slower than 1066MHz (effective) :
    http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Xeon/TYPE-Xeon 5400.html
    3) Highest multiplier for E0 revision chip has X5470 (x11 at 1333MHz FSB). Not sure if you will be able to clock it that much higher on FSB side, considering Dual CPU configuration nature of this platform. Also, QX9775 have both base FSB set at 1600MHz.
    4) Pre-Core 2 CPUs are NOT Quad Cores. They only have two cores with enabled Hyper Threading (codename: Presler).
    5) AMD never made "non-true quadcore". Phenom I is monolithic Quad Core design from 2007 (B2 revision). 
    You can even argue it's more true quad core than Core 2 Quad ever was (monolithic die, IMC).
    Q6600 is two Conroe dies in one package (Xeon 54xx are two Wolfdale dies in one package).
    6) Intel did Skulltrail for enthusiasts, but I highly doubt it was made to counter AMD at any point.
    AMD had 4x4 Quad FX platform that was made from 2x Opteron Dual Core CPUs (Four cores/Threads).
    So, one OC'ed Q6600 was capable to compete with it (but not with ALL tasks, since IMC gives really nice boosts to some server stuff).
    7) You don't need all the EFI stuff to boot from SATA3 (LOL)
    PS. @Krisalex
    Like everyone else said : There are no DDR3 boards for Skulltrail (or server stuff, FB-DIMM is the reason). Standard DDR3 is "a thing" that LGA 775 can support via P35/P45/X38/X48 and few cheap chipsets (actually, it's not THAT rare).
    However max. DRAM frequency is limited by effective FSB speed of procesor (1333MHz FSB CPU can only set 1333MHz as max. DRAM Frequency).
    Also, more than frequency itself, tweaking NB is MUCH MORE valuable for latency and effective bandwidth (strap/perf. level/etc.), assuming BIOS has the options for it.
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    agent_x007 got a reaction from RobbinM in How bad is this $5000 PC from 10 years ago?   
    Things to add :
    1) RTX Titan needed (Titan XP is too old ;D)
    2) NVMe (use those PCI-e slots properly !)
    ^software like DUET or Clover should be enough to make it bootable on this
    [Optane standalone ?]
    3) Won't overheating chipset/NV bridges cause throttling ?
    4) Driver overhead test : RTX vs. RDNA  (which gets more "necked"/can sqeeze more)
    5) 16GB RAM or bust (DO NOT run/test it with again 8GB).
    6) Bandwidth and Latency test on RAM (FSB is worse, but by how much)
    7) GPU usage on 4k and Ultra settings
    8 ) Compatibility with Windows based OC/Tweak programs :
    https://www.softpedia.com/get/System/System-Info/MemSet.shtml https://www.techpowerup.com/download/techpowerup-throttlestop/ https://setfsb.en.lo4d.com/windows
    PS. Old QVL lists get outdated the moment platform goes on sale (I used 16GB of DDR3 on Rampage Extreme fine*).
    *only Double Sided 4GB memory modules are supported.
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    agent_x007 got a reaction from Overl0rd in How bad is this $5000 PC from 10 years ago?   
    Things to add :
    1) RTX Titan needed (Titan XP is too old ;D)
    2) NVMe (use those PCI-e slots properly !)
    ^software like DUET or Clover should be enough to make it bootable on this
    [Optane standalone ?]
    3) Won't overheating chipset/NV bridges cause throttling ?
    4) Driver overhead test : RTX vs. RDNA  (which gets more "necked"/can sqeeze more)
    5) 16GB RAM or bust (DO NOT run/test it with again 8GB).
    6) Bandwidth and Latency test on RAM (FSB is worse, but by how much)
    7) GPU usage on 4k and Ultra settings
    8 ) Compatibility with Windows based OC/Tweak programs :
    https://www.softpedia.com/get/System/System-Info/MemSet.shtml https://www.techpowerup.com/download/techpowerup-throttlestop/ https://setfsb.en.lo4d.com/windows
    PS. Old QVL lists get outdated the moment platform goes on sale (I used 16GB of DDR3 on Rampage Extreme fine*).
    *only Double Sided 4GB memory modules are supported.
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    agent_x007 reacted to Overl0rd in How bad is this $5000 PC from 10 years ago?   
    Overl0rd from the forum here  thanks for the shout out at the beginning @LinusTech, I’m happy to have been of assistance ? Awesome that this obscure platform is getting some love again!
    A couple of points I would like to mention: 
     
    -While the QX9775 CPUs are the most awesome way to go on this platform. It will work just fine with regular 771 Xeons and back then a TON of people went that route. The board will also work just fine with a single CPU. Especially the CPUs with a 1333MHz FSB have great OC headroom (as 5400 chipset runs out at around 430MHz bus speed) and could potentially reach beyond 4GHz. Overclocking the QX9775s is rather straightforward, mine do 4GHz at 1.41V. Just make sure to have proper cooling on not just the CPUs, but also active cooling on the north bridge and the FBDIMMs; those will get up to around 90C.
     
    -Despite the fact that the drivers of the Nforce 100 chips are troublesome in Windows 10, SLI should work fine using PCIe 2 and 4 (I have tested this personally). The problems are less under Windows 7, but still present.
     
    -16GB of RAM is definitely supported out of box. I personally run 4x4GB 667MHz overclocked to 800MHz. To do this you do have to have the latest BIOS version, as more memory config options were only added later on.

    For those interested in some comparative testing and further information, on my Youtube channel (Dellchannel21) I have a lot of videos covering this platform in detail.
    In short; it still holds up reasonably well in gaming considering the age of the microarchitecture and having that extra CPU now definitely make a difference. It of course won’t be a valid option for a 144Hz setup, but in somewhat older titles it is playable. Crysis 3 was the best example of the extra cores really kicking in. This was tested with a GTX 1060 6GB in 2018.

    SKULLTRAIL GAMING - How does Intel's $4000 Overclockable Dual Socket system perform?
     
    For how it compares to under synthetic benchmarks; here I clocked both QX9775s to 4.2GHz with 16GB 800MHz CL5 memory and it was still really impressive. Beating the 5GHz FX 9590 Bulldozer and coming very close to the stock Skylake 6700K.

    OVERCLOCKING SKULLTRAIL - Dual QX9775 over 4GHz
     
    For how the latest and greatest games do, well… you can actually sort of play Battlefield V 64 player and I’m extremely impressed that was possible.
     
  5. Agree
    agent_x007 reacted to Jumper118 in Post your Cinebench R20+15+R11.5+2003 Scores **Don't Read The OP PLZ**   
    ok athlon 64 fx master race.  
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    agent_x007 got a reaction from iHardware Shelden in Post your Cinebench R20+15+R11.5+2003 Scores **Don't Read The OP PLZ**   
    I never thought I will request new tab on score doc again
    Yet, here we are... Socket 940, 2x Opteron 285 @ 2,61GHz.
    Cinebench 2003 :


    Cinebench R11.5 :


    Cinebench R15 :


    Cinebench R20 :


    @Jumper118 I would also like to point out, that there are no regular Athlon 64s for Socket 940 (like 5600+ or 4000+).
    There are only Athlon 64 FX's, but even those are single core only.
  7. Funny
    agent_x007 reacted to Masada02 in Unigine Valley Benchmark Scores Thread + SUPERPOSITION ***Over 1000 Submissions!***   
    That must have been painful to watch, lol
     
    Next step is some ice in your loop,  
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    agent_x007 got a reaction from Turtle Rig in My 7 year old CPU beats a 8700k at stock.   
    Fact checking : 

    Just so you know, Queen test uses/stresses INT units, not FPUs.
    Since FPU = SSE/AVX/etc, this test really doesn't show how far newest CPUs have got.
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    agent_x007 got a reaction from Jumper118 in Post your Cinebench R20+15+R11.5+2003 Scores **Don't Read The OP PLZ**   
    Haswell-E no longer in LGA 2011 (-1) !
    We should celebrate !
    Thank you.
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    agent_x007 got a reaction from Jumper118 in Post your Cinebench R20+15+R11.5+2003 Scores **Don't Read The OP PLZ**   
    Managed to do 4,5GHz without droping too much perf along the way 


    Other Cinebench scores :
    R11.5


    2003 :

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    agent_x007 got a reaction from Jumper118 in Post your Cinebench R20+15+R11.5+2003 Scores **Don't Read The OP PLZ**   
    Spectre/Meltdown comparison on fastest pre-Haswell CPU.
    Microcode used : 0x42D
    Windows patch "KB4100347" is installed in both cases.

    "RTX On" : 


    "RTX Off" : 

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    agent_x007 got a reaction from Jumper118 in Post your Cinebench R20+15+R11.5+2003 Scores **Don't Read The OP PLZ**   
    Small update for QX6850 (2003) :

    X5650 + UD9 :

    ^1,5V was probably not needed on Vcore, but I pushed 1,5+ on QPI/VTT so...
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    agent_x007 reacted to Tech Wizard in Post your Cinebench R20+15+R11.5+2003 Scores **Don't Read The OP PLZ**   
    I finally found her! A solid Ivy-E hexa ❤️
     

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    agent_x007 got a reaction from Ahmet Alhurmuzy in Great CPU For Battlefield V   
    We don't know, game wasn't tested enough yet.
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    agent_x007 got a reaction from Hi P in APU vs CPU - Difference?   
    Because APU has iGPU inside, TDP gets shared between GPU and CPU parts, which may result in lower clock vs. no iGPU unit.
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    agent_x007 got a reaction from AndreiArgeanu in Should i pair my Pentium dual core E5700 with GTX 1050 ti?   
    @AndreiArgeanu QX9770 and also, Xeon X5470 (it should work after BIOS update, and if it's already cut for LGA 775/has adapter for it).
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    agent_x007 got a reaction from Tech Wizard in Post your Cinebench R20+15+R11.5+2003 Scores **Don't Read The OP PLZ**   
    One week (and a day) later :
    ...
    I give you one/two weeks before you buy another one.
    Maybe E5-1680 v2
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    agent_x007 got a reaction from oahbpn in M.2 and Sata Ssd   
    Just make sure M.2 port doesn't share PCI-e lanes with SATA port for your SSD.
    Otherwise, one may not be visible when the other one is.
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    agent_x007 got a reaction from rfcokilljoy in Cache overclock increasing cpu utilisation in games   
    @Jurrunio ^This is the important part.
    Any setting other than Auto = stutters and has lower FPS (?).
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    agent_x007 got a reaction from rfcokilljoy in Cache overclock increasing cpu utilisation in games   
    It's probably because of syncing issues.
    Since cache works at different frequency, you have to somehow synchronise it to both slower (at idle), and faster (at load), Core Clock.
    When sync can't be done, or it's timing is off, you get problems.

    Basicly :
    5,2/3,9 = 1.3(3) (so you get one and 1/3 of CPU clock per Cache clock OR 4 CPU cycles per 3 cache ones)
    5,2/4,7 = 1,106382978723404... (you get 1 and 1/10 of CPU clock + waiting a tiniest ammount to get a full sync).

    At least that's what I think.
    I can't test it because Sandy/Ivy class CPUs have UnCore synchronised with Core Clock.
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    agent_x007 got a reaction from Tech Wizard in Post your Cinebench R20+15+R11.5+2003 Scores **Don't Read The OP PLZ**   
    To anyone interested : 
    Air cooling is fine, as long as you have fan on the back of the board to cool "CPU package" or back of the socket directly. I don't have it
    At 4,5GHz my chip needs at least Vcore = 1,45V, which is WAY too much for my cooling. I will try to do a run later (but throttling probably will steal any perf. it gives me).

    PS. @Jumper118 It's not THAT bad... if you live in US : LINK.
    For EU, we have : LINK
  24. Funny
    agent_x007 reacted to Tech Wizard in Post your Cinebench R20+15+R11.5+2003 Scores **Don't Read The OP PLZ**   
    Omg, I need it. Gief it to meh please!
     
     
  25. Agree
    agent_x007 reacted to Jumper118 in Post your Cinebench R20+15+R11.5+2003 Scores **Don't Read The OP PLZ**   
    the mighty 1680 v2
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