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    Ryzen 7 1700X
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    MSI X370 Pro Gaming Carbon
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    Avexir Core Series (blue)
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    SAPPHIRE NITRO Radeon R9 Fury
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    Zalmann Z11 Neo
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    256 GB Intel 600p, 1tb WD Caviar Blue
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    Cryorig R1 Universal
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  1. Yeah, and our moron, corrupt politicians support the monopolies either because they're paid to, or because they're told that it's good for the consumers and don't question it. If enough of us wrote to our representatives, it might change, but of course organizing/motivating that many people is nearly impossible.
  2. There are regulations, most of them are just horrendously anti-consumer.
  3. pc build

    What is the PC for?
  4. Honestly, I thought that we were done, but I guess I'll continue. That's completely fine that you think that. We've been over the "irreconcilable difference of opinions" already, and those opinions are well-stated. However, the fact remains that with a 1080 Ti at 1080p, and even up to 1440p occasionally, the PC will be CPU-bound, and in those situations you want your CPU to be the best at what it's doing. Going back to the knife metaphor, will one or two stabs be a night-and-day difference? No, but you sure as hell want it over that much quicker.
  5. Indeed, it does. I, too, stand beside my recommendation -- the 7700k. I normally choose versatility for myself, but that's because I like to have my finger in lots of pies. That's why I really like Ryzen, and believe it to be EXCELLENT value in everything but gaming -- hence why I bought the 1700x for myself -- but, since, given what the OP has said, this is a gaming machine, I believe that the 7700k is a better buy. If I end up being wrong, and he puts more emphasis on streaming than it seems he does by his post, good, it's another step in breaking the Intel monopoly, but I also don't think that making a purchase decision should be based on that. You should buy what's best for you. If the other company couldn't offer a superior product for your needs, it's its fault.
  6. [1] I don't doubt that, but given the large consensus over what I've seen, RAM doesn't make as big a difference as he found (again, not calling into question his morals or values, but his testing methodology seemed to more heavily favor Ryzen than any other reviews that I've seen, for whatever reason). [2] I have already explained why game optimization for Ryzen isn't nearly as beneficial in most games as people have made it out to be. [3] When performing a specialized task, you want a specialized machine. [4] Yes, I've seen the video from AdoredTV, and I largely agree. If you notice, though, the 7700k is still the winner, if by a small margin. Besides that, actually recommending Crossfire over a single GPU solution is a bit daft due to the ever-decreasing support for multi-GPU. Might this trend be turned around? Maybe. But we've seen no indication of this as of yet. Also, we all recommended an Nvidia GPU. This discussion is therefore irrelevant to the actual decision of which CPU to buy. [5]This is not the place for this argument. I'm sorry for bringing it up, but stand by my statement. If you really, really have a problem with me for saying this, you can PM me. [6] I will not argue against their quality. Yes, they are very good CPUs, as I've stated. They are, however, inferior to the 7700k in gaming, which is the main purpose of this PC. [7] Again, I have no qualms with AMD's marketing team in that regard. They have a superior product in that area, and should flaunt it. I'll state again: this PC, while maybe streaming on the side, is mainly a gaming rig, for which the 7700k is a better CPU. [8] Indeed it does. His decision will be entirely decided by how much emphasis he will put on streaming, as that is the only specified use-case for which Ryzen will be superior.
  7. Yeah, whichever looks best t'you is the one to go with. In the high-end boards, they all end up performing similarly.
  8. Why sacrifice to get an equal or VERY slightly better experience, when you could just not sacrifice to get roughly the same experience? I still see Ryzen trailing in most games, even with 3200 MHz RAM. I don't know why Mindblank got such high results, but he's the only comparison between the 7700k and Ryzen 7 that showed Ryzen winning, at least that I saw (no, I can't look everywhere. I may've missed something). Most of the places that I saw showed a relatively small increase in performance, when compared to Mindblank (yes, I know that the Tom's Hardware review is with 2933, but I included it anyway for good measure)(http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-ryzen-7-1700-cpu-review,5009-2.html) Don't push your morals onto others by giving them biased advice. That's a bit of a scummy thing to do, even if you believe that you have a righteous cause.
  9. You're either misrepresenting or misunderstanding what I said. The only thing that is easy-ish, in most games, to optimize for on Ryzen is the IF. The IF isn't that big of a bottleneck in the first place, so it isn't necessarily a huge optimization, unless there's lots of crosstalk between cores (which isn't the case in most games because of their poor multi-core optimization (follow my link to Reddit for more info, if you haven't already)). Furthermore, only 3000 MHz RAM fits in his budget. That's a comparison at 3600 MHz. No 3200 MHz RAM kit that you'll buy will overclock to 3600 MHz, and compatibility with that memory speed is still spotty. They still use the same TIM, their application/distribution is just inferior now. That means that the TIM itself is still just as durable. Besides that, you're skirting around the fact that heat is still around the same between both processors, so if anything it shows that the OP has the option of delidding his processor and reducing heat output by a lot. The bad TIM application doesn't hinder the processor's performance in any meaningful way. That was the best that I could come up with on the spot. I only have so many knives. Yes, that is true, but he doesn't need to open a bottle. He needs to stab someone/something. He may, in the future, need to open a bottle, which he can still do, just at a slightly lower efficiency, but he's most concerned with stabbing, both now and in the future (I'm assuming he won't become a professional steamer, or something, so he'll often just want to play and not have to simultaneously entertain). Ryzen, in most games, cannot be optimized for extremely heavily. Thinking that optimization will save Ryzen's game performance is a stupid thing to believe. Does that make Ryzen a bad processor? No, far from it. In general, for general-use machines, I actually recommend Ryzen, but this is a specialized machine. The thing he's using this PC for is gaming. The 7700k is a better gaming CPU.
  10. I already explained this. They're underutilized because of their core/thread count, not anything having to do with the architecture (excluding, possibly, The Infinity Fabric, which isn't really that huge of a bottleneck anyway) I've found other people who can explain it way more in-depth than me, so here y'go: Yes, they used a relatively cheap and low-performing TIM, but there are reasons behind it. Do I think that Intel probably should've just used a better-performing TIM, at least for their performance chips? Yes, but I also know that there are huge expenses to that for relatively small gain (anyone who cared or even knew wasn't going to go anywhere else, and their temperatures, even with the poor TIM, are in Ryzen's ballpark). The TIM that they use also lasts for upwards of 25 years. It neutralizes any chance that someone might sue them for their TIM not being durable and it breaking their CPU and hindering this person's work, or something. Also, here's an explanation for why they had to leave soldering behind: http://www.overclock.net/t/1398586/a-possible-reason-why-intel-was-forced-to-use-tim-instead-of-solder-with-ib-haswell. I attached a picture. You're telling me that you'd rather, when having to stab someone, have the bottom knife (yes, I know that's not a Swiss Army Knife, but it illustrates the same point), not the top knife? If that's your true answer, I'm very happy that I'll never have to fight alongside you.
  11. While it's not a large difference, there's still a difference. I'm sorry, I forgot that source. It's the Anandtech review of Ryzen. I'll update my post. Web browsing is nearly entirely singlethreaded.
  12. 1. Right, which is the main purpose of this machine. 2. I'll grant you that one. 3. Yes, but he's only looking into it. A possibility of dipping your toe into something in the future isn't worth giving up performance on what you know you'll do and what you're doing now. This is, ultimately, though, a decision that the OP must make: how serious he is about streaming will decide how much importance he will put on this point. 4. I'm glad you brought that up. This is a huge misconception about Ryzen. Ryzen is only barely ahead of the stock 7700k in Adobe Premiere(https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Premiere-Pro-CC-2017-AMD-Ryzen-7-1700X-1800X-Performance-909/), which, if I'm not mistaken, is the most popular video editor, and that lead will be diminished or reversed if the 7700k is overclocked. 5. That thermal compound is not bad, it sacrifices thermal conductivity for longevity and durability. Besides, if you're that worried about it, you can always delid it, and even with the normal thermal compound, there isn't much difference in heat output between the two processors. 6. Games don't actually thread very well, and the cost vs. gain is very limited in most games when it comes to multithreaded optimization. Only games with lots of logic and other things that can be broken up effectively show large performance gains. 7. The 7700k is better in web browsing (http://www.anandtech.com/show/11170/the-amd-zen-and-ryzen-7-review-a-deep-dive-on-1800x-1700x-and-1700) and gaming, the things this computer will be used for the most. You don't want a Swiss Army Knife if you're trying to stab someone (or, at least, you'd rather have a knife that was more specialized in that task). Given our knowledge of what the OP plans on doing, the 7700k is a better buy.
  13. He's the only one that's said to get Ryzen. If you didn't agree with me on that, why has everyone avoided Ryzen?
  14. Not imo, and most everyone here agrees. Don't base your purchases on something you may do and not even like in the future. It's not even guaranteed he'll try it.