Yes it's working fine, as above. For example my HWINFO reports mine at 1800Mhz, but because it's DDR is actually 3600Mhz. We see this common misconception all the time on here, and everywhere TBH... you're no different to others that don't know these things, so no worries 🙂
Just a difference in the way each shows the spec.
https://cpugpunerds.com/why-cpu-z-shows-memory-half-speed/
So yes, your XMP is on, and the RAM is working at the speed it was advertised.
IIRC & AFAIK, BIOS and Windows uses the technically incorrect way to show the speed.
It should be 3600MT/s which is 1800 Mhz x 2
Manufacturers too used the wrong measurement unit to advertise the speed and it stuck for way too long, it was starting to change back to the right one at the rise of DDR5, which often marketed with MT/s (6000 MT/s, 7200 MT/s, and so on)
Yeah depends on chipset, some mobos are able to update bios etc without cpu/ram, but TBH for testing purposes I don't think it's worth bothering... just wait for entire system and do a system test out of the chassis if possible. Worst thing is taking all the time and cable routing etc and then finding out your mobo or cpu or something is DOA. Even almost 30 years in I still do a bench test of components when doing a full system build/rebuild.
A few years back I skipped doing a testbench, heartbreaking when you have to remove almost the entire system in the end to send a part or 2 back as DOA... makes you remember for the next few times though, lol
Technically motherboard might turn on PSU without CPU but I think it may depend on the chipset/motherboard manufacturer. Better someone more knowledgeable than me clarify this.
You would still need to hook up front panel connector power switch to turn on motherboard.
As I said - if it is new, I would wait for rest of the parts and do test boot of everything plugged in.
To clarify - you hooked it up to motherboard and turn computer on or just bare PSU?
If answer is you just plugged PSU to the wall socket and it did not turn on, then it is normal behaviour - PSU needs signal from the motherboard to start up (two pins in ATX 20+4 connector need to be joined, I believe).
If you meant that computer do not turn on, then there are few possibilities:
- bad PSU (yeah, that happens unfortunately)
- loose/bad connection - recheck all connectors between motherboard, GPU and PSU.
- loose front panel connector - during cable managing or hooking up something else you might have pulled on wires from front panel on switch so check it.
After OP answer:
You can turn on PSU on its own but it require some janky stuff from normal user perspective, as I stated above, so probably wait for rest of the system.
No idea what this means, but you're not going to get effective advice if you're unwilling to talk about what troubleshooting steps you've already taken.
take your pick, they're all much of the same these days for 2.5" drives on the lower end of the price list. I'd just pick one that's within your budget, and at least 250gb if you can afford it.
You can go cheaper. My setup uses a 5600 + 1050Ti and handles things very well. You don't need a cpu cooler like that for a server though, the stock one with AMD is more than enough. RAM is overkill too, as I rarely use 8GB if ever.
Plex just doesn't require much at all, or even utilize it. 4K streams in the same network don't need to be transcoded either, just read off the drive.
I'd really cut back and use the money for drives, they're the heart of it all.
First have you tried 6000MHz? 6000MHz is actually a softcap for Ryzen 7000 right now. Should be stable at those speeds as that's what everyone aims for.
I know zen and zen+ had issues with more than 2 dimms being used but new stuff should still be stable.
1. they go missing because its dead stock (into the missing items backpack)
2. They are disposed into the trashcan known as employees backpack after being written off 😛
3. They sit forever on a shelf in store or the warehouse which actually happens a lot
Don't muck with the tabs. The cards are built to specification and literally millions (probably billions) of cards have fitted just fine with the bend in them.
What you're trying to do won't work. NVMe uses PCIe not SATA. You can buy PCIe cards with 4x M.2 NVMe slots on them if you need additional M.2 NVMe slots.
Summary
Yesterday Qualcomm held their Snapdragon Summit 2023 event. For those who don't know, Snapdragon Summit is Qualcomm's annual event where they present their new products that usually end up in products the following year.
This year they had a lot of announcements and products to show.
The big announcements were the Snapdragon X Elite SoC, a new SoC aimed at laptops and uses the new Oryon CPU cores, as well as the Snapdragon 8 Gen 3 which will be next year's flagship SoC.
The announcements
AI
Qualcomm is betting big on generative AI, saying it will be the next step in the evolution of computing.
Right now, most AI things run in the cloud. Qualcomm wants to move some of this computing on-device, to make it more responsive (as in fast), personal (access to data on the device), and private (data doesn't need to leave the device).
They showed some demos, including a 7 billion parameter model of Llama 2 (Meta's answer to ChatGPT) running on-device (didn't say which device but probably a laptop). They also showed Stable Diffusion running on a phone, and it could generate an image in less than 1 second (0,6 seconds to be precise). This is down from 15 seconds which was the time it took to generate an image last time they ran the demo (on a Snapdragon 8 gen 2).
There are over 16 different AI models such as OpenAI's Whisper, Meta's Llama 2, Google's AI Foundational models, and stability.ai's Stable Diffusion that have all been ported over to work on Snapdragon SoCs.
Qualcomm Oryon - Qualcomm's first fully custom CPU core since 2015
Oryon is designed by the team from NUVIA, a startup founded in 2019 by engineers from Apple and Google. Qualcomm bought NUVIA in 2021.
I think this is Cristiano trying to say that the actual hardware outperforms what the simulations said it would perform like.
Qualcomm confirmed that this is not a one-off thing. This is just "phase 1" in their CPU architecture design. My guess is that they will come out with a server CPU in the coming year(s), as well as a phone CPU core.
This first core however will be aimed at laptops. Qualcomm said during the presentation that they will show an Oryon based mobile platform in 2024.
If only they had used some of their AI capabilities to check the spelling of "Orion" before making all these presentations...
Some benchmarks:
GeekBench 6.2:
Single core:
Oryon - 3,227
i9-13980HX - 3,192
M2 Max - 2,841
A ~13,5% lead in single-core performance over the M2 Max.
If you cut back the clock speed of the Oryon so that it matches the single-core performance of the M2 Max, the Oryon core uses 30% less power.
If you cut back the clock speed of the Oryon so that it matches the performance of the i9, it delivers the same performance at 70% less power.
Multi-core performance was a bit more vague:
Same performance at 18 watts as the i7-1360P gives at 50 watts, or twice as fast at the same power consumption.
At 30 watts it gives the same performance as the i7-13800H does at 90 watts.
"50% faster vs M2" - This sounds a bit low to me, considering it's (spoiler) a 12-core chip (/spoiler) competing against a 4+4 core chip.
Snapdragon X Elite - Qualcomm's laptop processor featuring Oryon cores
Some numbers:
12 Oryon cores clocked at 3.8GHz.
It has a 2-core boost clock of up to 4.3GHz.
The cache is 42MB in total, although we don't know how it's distributed (how much is L1, L2 and L3).
"Adreno SD X Elite" GPU with up to 4.6 TFLOPs of compute performance. "Best in-class" according to Qualcomm. Supports DirectX 12.
Supports up to 3 external 4K HDR10 displays at 60Hz, or two 5K displays at 60Hz. The primary monitor (eDP) can be 4K 120Hz.
A massive Hexagon NPU with up to 46 TOPS (INT4). This is over 3 times more than the Snapdragon 8cx Gen 3 (their previous Windows chip) and a 100x increase over their chip from 2017.
NPU + CPU + GPU totals 75 TOPs.
30 tokens per second in the Llama 2 model. For comparison, Qualcomm estimates that 5-7 tokens per second is needed to output as fast as the average person reads. In other words, their NPU can output AI-generated text 5-6 times faster than the average person can read.
A 8x 16bit LPDDR5X memory controller that supports 8533MT/s RAM, totaling 136GB/sec of bandwidth.
Supports up to 64GB of memory.
Manufactured on an undisclosed "4nm" node, probably TSMC N4P.
Can be paired with a separate modem and Wi-Fi chipset (FastConnect 7800) to support Wi-Fi 7, Bluetooth 5.4, and 5G.
Supports using PCIe 4 or UFS 4.0 for connecting to storage.
PCIe 3.0 is used for connecting to other things such as the modem.
Support for up to 3 USB4 ports, 2 USB 3 ports (3.2 Gen2), and one USB 2 port.
In a first for Qualcomm, this chip supports AV1 encoding as well as decoding. This means all major GPU vendors (except Apple) now have products that can do AV1 encoding.
Some benchmarks from 3DMark WildLife Extreme:
2x faster GPU performance than the i7-13800H at the same power, or same performance at 74% lower power.
80% faster GPU performance than the Ryzen 9 7940HS at the same power, or same performance at 80% less power.
Launching in devices during the middle of 2024.
This means that while it might look very favorable compared to devices on the market right now, it remains to be seen how it stacks up against the products from Apple, Intel, and AMD that will launch between now and when Snapdragon X Elite devices launch.
Snapdragon 8 Gen 3 - 2024's flagship smartphone chip
It seems to me like the Snapdragon 8 Gen 3 will be a pretty good upgrade to the Gen 2, which was already a great chip to begin with.
Some highlights compared to the previous chip generation chip are:
30% faster CPU performance. 20% higher efficiency.
25% faster GPU performance. 25% higher efficiency and 40% better Ray Tracing.
98% faster NPU performance. Capable of running an LLM like the 7B Llama 2 model at 20 tokens per second. Supports up to 10B parameter models on-device. 40 higher performance per watt compared to the s8g2.
Supports up to 8.5Gbps LPDDR5x.
Qualcomm has also changed up the core layout compared to their previous chips.
Instead of a 1+3+4 design, they are going for a 1+5+2 design.
The prime core is a Cortex-X4 running at 3.3GHz.
They didn't disclose what the other cores were, but it is a fairly safe bet to say the "performance" cores will be Cortex-A720 at various clock speeds and the efficiency cores will be Cortex-A520.
It's been a long-known fact that the "efficiency" cores from ARM haven't actually been all that efficient. They use very little power, but doesn't really do a lot of work either. As a result, the middle cores have oftentimes been able to get more work done per watt of power.
It is worth noting that Cortex-A720 cores come in two flavors. One which is the full "high performance" version, and then there is a cut-down version which Arm calls "entry-tier". Since Qualcomm didn't even want to confirm if they used A720 cores to begin with, we don't know which version we might see in the s8g3, but it might be the case that not all "performance cores" are equal.
Qualcomm put a lot of emphasis on using generative AI to enhance photos taken with cameras.
One of the features they showed was taking a picture, and then using generative AI (like stable diffusion) to generate content on the sides of the picture, as if the picture had been taken with a wide angle lens. Not sure how I feel about this, but we'll see if it catches on.
The camera hardware also supports "Truepic with C2PA". This is a digital cryptographic signature that is added to pictures to validate how they were taken and if they have been modified. This is an open standard that has gained quite a lot of momentum in recent times. It's headed by a consortium that includes companies like Adobe, Arm, BBC, Intel, Microsoft, Twitter, Akamai and many more. The goal is to try and curb manipulated images from being spread, be it through traditional means or AI-generated ones.
AV1 decoding is supported, but not AV1 encoding. Same as the gen 2.
The first device with a Snapdragon 8 Gen 3 processor will be the Xiaomi 14 series, which will launch tomorrow.
(Sorry for the low-quality image, it's what Qualcomm provided)
Qualcomm S7 Gen 1 and S7 Pro Gen 1
New chipsets for headphones and earphones.
The big focus is on upgrading the processing power on the headphones and earbuds themselves. They offer almost 100 times higher AI-compute performance than the previous generation, which Qualcomm hopes will lead to better active noise cancelation, hearing loss compensation and other such features.
The difference between the Pro and the non-Pro model is what Qualcomm calls its "XPAN technology". What this is, in simple terms, is the ability to use Wi-Fi to send audio between your device and the audio equipment. The example Qualcomm gave on stage was that Bluetooth might be used when your phone is close to you, but then if you walk into another room and leave your phone behind, the devices will seamlessly switch to sending over Wi-Fi for its longer-range capabilities.
The Wi-Fi connection also allows for up to 192kHz lossless audio.
Both chipsets include support for Bluetooth LE Audio as well as Auracast (basically broadcast audio).
My thoughts
Lots of good announcements this year. I am personally very excited for the Snapdragon X Elite, which will use CPU cores developed by the NUVIA team.
A quick recap of why this is so exciting:
In 2019, a company called NUVIA was founded. The founders were Gerard Williams who used to be Senior Director and Chief CPU architect at Apple.
Manu Gulati who used to be lead SoC architect at Apple and then Google.
John Bruno who used to be a system architect at Apple and then Google (and further back, ATI GPUs).
The goal of NUVIA was to build a custom arm CPU core targeted at servers. Their goal (and projected targets) was a CPU core that was far and beyond better than the at the time x86 server processors.
Their estimates in 2020 were 40-50% higher IPC than Zen 2, while using 1/3 the power.
Then in 2021, Qualcomm bought NUVIA and told them to design a CPU core (probably by modifying their Phoenix architecture) for laptops instead. This is what resulted in what we now know as Oryon.
I hope that this will finally result in a good Windows on Arm laptop. Qualcomm's previous attempts at an SoC for Windows have been quite frankly pathetic. At first it was just the same SoCs as they used for phones, then they were slightly upscaled versions of the phone SoCs but nothing special (not enough to compete with x86-based laptop chips) and then they kind of gave up and used outdated CPU cores and didn't update their SoCs anymore. If you buy a Windows on Arm laptop today, you will end up with a 3-year-old CPU architecture.
Sources
You can watch the announcement here:
And the press kit can be found here:
https://www.qualcomm.com/news/media-center/press-kits/snapdragon-summit-2023-press-kit
Update:
Here are the day 2 announcements that I thought were noteworthy:
Qualcomm has a technology called "Snapdragon Seamless" which will let you connect your PC and your phone in a "seamless" way. More info here. The examples I have seen have been things like:
Let your phone and PC share keyboard and mouse. So you can use your keyboard that's connected to your PC to type on your phone.
Access files that are stored on your phone, on your PC (or vice versa).
Share audio sources between your phone and PC, so for example your headphones plugged into your PC can play audio that's coming from your phone or the other way around too.
Snapdragon X Elite stuff:
The Snapdragon X Elite and its 42MB of cache has "optimizations for virtualization and memory address translation".
The SoC is designed to be scalable, from fanless ultra-portable, to large performance laptops.
The GPU has "upgradeable drivers" (not sure what that means. Can't you upgrade the drivers on the current Snapdragon Windows PCs?)
An Arm native version of DaVinci Resolve will come out sometime next year.
The Snapdragon X Elite's NPU is on its separate power distribution system, which means it can be controlled power-wise independently of other components on the SoC.
The NPU will show up in the task manager, just like your GPU, CPU, memory, etc. This will probably come to other processors as well in the future, since both AMD and Intel are, or are planning on adding NPUs to their processors.
Here is a picture:
The Snapdragon X Elite was ~25% faster at compiling NotePad++ (for Win32) in VIsual Studio compared to the Intel i7-1360P.
That's pretty damn impressive, and the type of benchmark that gets me excited.
Snapdragon 8 gen 3 stuff:
Overall the Snapdragon 8 gen 3 will get about a 10% power saving compared to the s8g2.
They are adding support for PyTouch ExecuTorch, which is an open-source framework for ML.
Qualcomm is once again bringing up the possibility of integrating Stable Diffusion or something similar into the camera app itself, since it can run so fast.
Then Snapdragon 8 Gen 3 will have significant improvements to the camera processing. Here are some things they are introducing:
1) They will be able to do far better captures of depth data by leveraging AI. This can help with for example portrait shots where you want the background to be blurred.
2) A new framerate conversion engine that can generate new frames to convert 30 FPS video to 60 FPS.
3) Support for Samsung's new ISICELL HP3 sensor which is a 200 megapixel monster. Not sure how useful that really is, but it's supported.
4) They are working with some camera snesor manufacturers to finetune their software to work better with Snapdragon processors, in order to help with for example low-light pictures.
5) It now supports Dolby HDR for photo captures. Apparently, the images are backwards compatible with JPEG, so I presume this is based on Google's JPEG_R format. Not sure why everyone is so against JPEG XL but whatever...
Qualcomm has their own Frame motion interpolation (think Nvidia DLSS 3) and Game Super Resolution (think DLSS 2), which have both been updated for the s8g3.
(There's no need to run an NVME SSD in a NAS. Your network speeds are always going to be your bottleneck, even with spinning drives. It won't be any more difficult, storage is storage.)
Why were they unavailable..? What issues did they show? Probably don’t delete things until you know what caused the issue because it’s entirely possible whatever happened was recoverable.
WebUI’s don’t just die, especially not on multiple servers all at once. Sounds like a network issue or a firewall issue.
As far as setting them back up, you’re going to need to read a bunch of forum posts/guides and watch videos to get it set up. Someone trying to set this up for you would need access to the machine, it’s very difficult to just say “do this and this and it’ll work” for someone else’s config and situation. Unfortunately, being a homelaber takes a lot of self learning and experimenting because things WILL go sideways on you. It’s just part of how this all works. If nothing ever broke, IT people wouldn’t have very secure jobs and wouldn’t make bank.
All of this to say, getting 1:1 help likely isn’t going to happen, and if someone was nice enough to offer it, they would really need to be able to SSH into your network (I wouldn’t let a random person into my network…. And I def wouldn’t give them credentials) or at a minimum spend an hour in a chat client with you, and that’s a lot to ask of someone.
Technically the wattage is high enough (barely), but I would get a better quality PSU. Nothing in the 250 watt range is going to be quality, and one of the more important parts of a NAS is PSU; if the PSU dies and takes parts out with it… you’re going to have a bad day.
Make a zip / 7z arhive of that folder - use ultrafast or no compression, doesn't matter, just 7z the folder and then copy the archive over and unpack it. It will be faster.
7-zip is better because it's multithreaded, the SSD can read lots of stuff in parallel to speed things up.
When you use 7-zip it reads multiple files in parallel and creates the archive, so the data is read super fast. Same for unpacking.
When you use copy in windows, it opens a file, copies chunk of it, waits until it gets confirmation the data is written, closes the created file on the destination drive, then starts working on second file and so on...
Your antivirus may also scan each file Explorer accesses in the background, slowing it down.
ON the windows install options, can't you just delete all the partitions on that drive and select it as the OS drive after that? That's all I ever do, have never had to use a separate partitioning tool etc.
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