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I have a lot, a lot of EK stuff and have never had any problems ever. It depends on what you buy, I have no AIO's of theirs and don't intend to buy them. What I do have is a huge supply of fittings and blocks from many different build and not ever had Nickel plating issues. And by a lot I mean more than 40 STC compression fittings and another 40 HDC compression fittings, many angle adapters and rotary angle adapters. Had multiple 6970 full cover block, multiple 290X full cover blocks, 6800 XT, Rampage 3&4 BE full cover, Supremacy CPU block plus more I'm likely forgetting or not worth mentioning and all without any issues and all perfectly good quality.
 
This is not to say EK hasn't or doesn't sell products with problems, like any brand could or has. But I wouldn't go around calling literally everything a company makes garbage based off a tiny fraction of what they have ever made.
 
It's also not like you can't find Nickel plating issues with both brands you mentioned in less than a minute, more recent EK plating being sub standard or not it's almost always user error that is the root cause and the quality merely saves your ass or not, or saves it for X amount of time.
 
On the other hand I've had 3 Corsair AIO fail, 2 same reason and the other different but I wouldn't say all Corsair AIOs are trash and I'd still buy them and recommend them.
 
TL;DR Crappily run companies can still sell good products.
 
You mean the same D5 pumps everyone else sources from the same place and slaps their sticker on or the other same place everyone gets their DDC pumps from and slaps their sticker on? Laing/Xylem.

EK CEO issued a statement:
 

Let's hope that with EK himself back at the helm that the ship gets righted and those who are due payment are taken care of in a timely manner.

Has anyone actually signed up?
 
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Has anyone actually signed up?
 
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We always participate, in one way or another 🙂
 
I'll be doing it with whatever I can.

I have a lot, a lot of EK stuff and have never had any problems ever. It depends on what you buy, I have no AIO's of theirs and don't intend to buy them. What I do have is a huge supply of fittings and blocks from many different build and not ever had Nickel plating issues. And by a lot I mean more than 40 STC compression fittings and another 40 HDC compression fittings, many angle adapters and rotary angle adapters. Had multiple 6970 full cover block, multiple 290X full cover blocks, 6800 XT, Rampage 3&4 BE full cover, Supremacy CPU block plus more I'm likely forgetting or not worth mentioning and all without any issues and all perfectly good quality.
 
This is not to say EK hasn't or doesn't sell products with problems, like any brand could or has. But I wouldn't go around calling literally everything a company makes garbage based off a tiny fraction of what they have ever made.
 
It's also not like you can't find Nickel plating issues with both brands you mentioned in less than a minute, more recent EK plating being sub standard or not it's almost always user error that is the root cause and the quality merely saves your ass or not, or saves it for X amount of time.
 
On the other hand I've had 3 Corsair AIO fail, 2 same reason and the other different but I wouldn't say all Corsair AIOs are trash and I'd still buy them and recommend them.
 
TL;DR Crappily run companies can still sell good products.
 
You mean the same D5 pumps everyone else sources from the same place and slaps their sticker on or the other same place everyone gets their DDC pumps from and slaps their sticker on? Laing/Xylem.

I have a lot, a lot of EK stuff and have never had any problems ever. It depends on what you buy, I have no AIO's of theirs and don't intend to buy them. What I do have is a huge supply of fittings and blocks from many different build and not ever had Nickel plating issues. And by a lot I mean more than 40 STC compression fittings and another 40 HDC compression fittings, many angle adapters and rotary angle adapters. Had multiple 6970 full cover block, multiple 290X full cover blocks, 6800 XT, Rampage 3&4 BE full cover, Supremacy CPU block plus more I'm likely forgetting or not worth mentioning and all without any issues and all perfectly good quality.
 
This is not to say EK hasn't or doesn't sell products with problems, like any brand could or has. But I wouldn't go around calling literally everything a company makes garbage based off a tiny fraction of what they have ever made.
 
It's also not like you can't find Nickel plating issues with both brands you mentioned in less than a minute, more recent EK plating being sub standard or not it's almost always user error that is the root cause and the quality merely saves your ass or not, or saves it for X amount of time.
 
On the other hand I've had 3 Corsair AIO fail, 2 same reason and the other different but I wouldn't say all Corsair AIOs are trash and I'd still buy them and recommend them.
 
TL;DR Crappily run companies can still sell good products.
 
You mean the same D5 pumps everyone else sources from the same place and slaps their sticker on or the other same place everyone gets their DDC pumps from and slaps their sticker on? Laing/Xylem.

I would still call that fixed function. It's just that they are using the same function in a slightly more flexible way to reuse silicon.
The fact of the matter remains that those logics on the SoC is only used for decoding video, and the video formats they support are locked and can't be changed. The only difference it makes is that the same transistors that handle some parts of H.265 might also handle decoding H.264 for example.
It's very much semantics that doesn't really change anything I said earlier.
 
 
 
Are you saying some of the tasks for decoding the video stream is handled by the CPU or "general purpose" GPU cores on Intel processors?
Because I am fairly sure all of the actual decoding work is done inside the media engine, not on the Xe cores or other execution units/shaders/TMUs/ROPs/etc. I guess you could argue that the GPU is involved because the decoded video gets copied into the video frame buffer and gets sent to the display, but that's very very pedantic.
I guess things like rendering and upscaling could also be done on the CPU or GPU but that's very different from the actual decoding step. I am strictly talking about decoding here, since that's what is relevant to the news piece. 

We always participate, in one way or another 🙂
 
I'll be doing it with whatever I can.

We always participate, in one way or another 🙂
 
I'll be doing it with whatever I can.

What's the market? It isn't Nvidia's core business. Google have their own chip. What does Twitch use? 
 
Also I wouldn't use the illustration to estimate sizes, even if they're somewhat indicative. Annotated die shots like that found half way through link below is better, but it doesn't split it down to a fine enough detail.
https://locuza.substack.com/p/nvidias-ada-lineup-configurations
 
I was using their recommended upload bitrates earlier as a proxy to estimate the potential storage impact of multiple formats.

There is quite a lot of misinformation (or very vague terms) about this news piece floating around. Even the source article itself seems to get some things wrong or at the very least makes misleading remarks.
 
1) Android devices going quite far back already had support for AV1. What is changing is that the decoder is being changed from libgav1 (Google's own AV1 decoder) to dav1d (the AV1 decoder developed by VideoLAN). So nothing is changing in terms of what devices can and can't play. It's just that the new decoder is better than the old one.
 
2) When talking about which formats a device supports or doesn't support it is very important to specify "software support" and "hardware support". Pretty much all devices support AV1 decoding in software. Very few support it in hardware. 
 
3) Just because your device reports support for a certain video format does not mean an app will use it. On Android, when an app fetches the list of supported formats the OS specifies if decoding of the format is supported in software, hardware or both. In other words, just because your phone supports AV1 decoding in software doesn't mean an app will just decide to fetch that format for you. The app itself will have information about which formats are supported in hardware and which aren't, and makes a decision based on that.
 
4) Just because the Youtube app, or any other app for that matter, uses the new dav1d decoder doesn't mean it will automatically fetch an AV1 video. Which video it decides to fetch is a separate from which formats are supported. As I said earlier, nothing in this chance from libgav1 to dav1d changes what devices report as supported formats. If Youtube now decides to play AV1 videos on devices that doesn't support hardware accelerated AV1 decoding then it is because the Youtube app doesn't care, not because of some OS change that messes with what gets reported as supported video formats.
 
5) Something to keep in mind is that AV1 is very easy to decode in software. Last time I checked, the OnePlus 8 with its quad Cortex-A77 CPU (Snapdragon 865) was able to easily get 250+ FPS when decoding high bitrate 1080 footage on just its CPU.
Even a single Cortex-A53 is enough for playing 720p footage with.
Of course, it is more than hardware-accelerated H.264 or VP9 decoding, but we're still talking about what should be a fairly low impact, especially since this mostly applies to phones that usually get 480p video served to them.
Laptops, where the power efficiency matters the most, have had hardware-accelerated AV1 decoding support for quite a while now. It shouldn't be too big of a deal.
 
 
I am sure that Google have run some calculations to see if this is a good idea or not.
 
 
 
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Not sure why so many people are talking about uploading in this thread either. This has nothing to do with uploading.
The only thing this (potentially) changes has to do with watching/downloading/decoding. Not uploading.

Also every part made would have to be shipped to an EK facility to be retail packaged and then shipped again to a customer. In a larger contract from a bigger partner packaging might happen at the same facility it's being made, not always but I'm pretty sure it wouldn't at a smaller scale. So it basically doesn't matter if you can find someone in the US for example to make it because you'll get killed by shipping, anything outside of EU would be a no go other than China which only wants to do things with much larger minimum order quantities which is where EK got in to all this trouble (not saying they have their stuff made in China, just an example).

So confirmed? YouTubers destroying companies
 
 

There was probably a minimum quantity they had to order and expected to profit from low volume with high margin. That's a very bad idea when dealing with a enthusiast market with high turnover in technology.
 
In this market, you need both high and low volumes. High volume for market share, stability and to keep your suppliers happy, and markup the high-end because you're also catering to a very noisy enthusiast market; you want brand recognition.

These guys fucked up in a multitude of ways.

Well that's all fine and good but we can more accurately go by past history from YouTube itself and also it's technical information on what they actually do.
 
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/04/youtube-is-now-building-its-own-video-transcoding-chips/
 
So I can very confidently tell you they aren't going to be AV1 only, not for a very long time/ever.

Whatever. EK sucked anyways.

For now and then not later is actually fine, if we are worried about phone battery life then by the time everyone is actually trying to play 4k on their phone only I doubt they have their current device. I would guess YouTube doesn't auto select 4k on phones  but since I don't watch YouTube on my phone I wouldn't know. Outside of Apple it's actually more likely Windows laptops will have AV1 support. Intel supported it far sooner and a lot more people replace Windows laptops sooner compared to Apple.
 
There will be people negatively effected but that was the case last time codecs were migrated too, nothing is going to catch on fire.
 
Demanding zero people effected (negatively) is simply unrealistic and also unfair.

Apple is far from being alone in doing this. To some extent, demanding all iphones turned in to Apple be refurbished and resold no matter how outdated they are is probably unreasonable - however proper and environmentally friendly (when possible) disposal should be legally mandated.
 
There's also the fact that these devices (not just from Apple) are designed to be hard to repair and to be obsolete within a few years, which worsens the ewaste problem at the root. A lot of people should probably be more mindful of their devices and try to make them last, but there's only so much you can do when, by design, they aren't built to last.

Just because it is the default doesn't necessarily mean there isn't another codec source available. Already lots of videos are VP9 and H264 and which is played is picked via device hardware support.
 
Devices that don't have AV1 won't necessarily be playing AV1 source and software decoding.

The only real-time transcoding YouTube does is for Live Streams, they don't and haven't done any VOD playback transcoding in more than a decade. I would say ever but I don't know what YouTube did when it first existed.
 
16 versions of a video is absolutely less costly than transcoding, also it's likely much less than 16 versions, more than 10 is unlikely. Compute no matter if it's CPU, GPU, ASIC costs more than storage and it also doesn't scale anywhere near, like 100 times less, than file storage space and direct download.

Not paying wages is, it's literally a criminal offence. That's our law. It's also a crime for a business to not pay taxes. Also here Health & Safety Volitions can be held personally responsible to managers if serious or systemic.
 
Corporate crimes are still criminal offences, whether or not a person does or does not, could or could not go to jail.
 
Criminal offence != jail or potential of jail.
 
That doesn't make it a Civil Action. The fact that only the State/Fed can do this typically makes it criminal. You might want to re-check if that is actually Civil or Criminal.
 
https://www.egattorneys.com/wage-theft-penal-code-487m#:~:text=Wage theft is criminalized under,the underpaid wages exceed %24950.
 
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/owed-employers-face-little-accountability-for-wage-theft/#:~:text=All forms of wage theft,get caught%2C according to Uribe.
 
I think you are confusing the issue of only being able to hold the company itself, it's assets etc, accountable and liable. For one that is kind of the point and secondly individuals can be liable for corporate actions. Like the safety issue, if the company refuses to pay for safety equipment and you are in charge of safety and your force your direct reports to work then "you" are liable as well as the company, it's your responsibility and obligation to have the employees not work until they have the required safety equipment.
 
Enforcement of laws tends to be more the problem than something like this being illegal, laws after all are worthless if not enforced.

Here intentional non payment of wages is a criminal offence, Theft by Employer. More countries should adopt that if not already. 

So confirmed? YouTubers destroying companies
 
 

Not paying wages is, it's literally a criminal offence. That's our law. It's also a crime for a business to not pay taxes. Also here Health & Safety Volitions can be held personally responsible to managers if serious or systemic.
 
Corporate crimes are still criminal offences, whether or not a person does or does not, could or could not go to jail.
 
Criminal offence != jail or potential of jail.
 
That doesn't make it a Civil Action. The fact that only the State/Fed can do this typically makes it criminal. You might want to re-check if that is actually Civil or Criminal.
 
https://www.egattorneys.com/wage-theft-penal-code-487m#:~:text=Wage theft is criminalized under,the underpaid wages exceed %24950.
 
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/owed-employers-face-little-accountability-for-wage-theft/#:~:text=All forms of wage theft,get caught%2C according to Uribe.
 
I think you are confusing the issue of only being able to hold the company itself, it's assets etc, accountable and liable. For one that is kind of the point and secondly individuals can be liable for corporate actions. Like the safety issue, if the company refuses to pay for safety equipment and you are in charge of safety and your force your direct reports to work then "you" are liable as well as the company, it's your responsibility and obligation to have the employees not work until they have the required safety equipment.
 
Enforcement of laws tends to be more the problem than something like this being illegal, laws after all are worthless if not enforced.