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Their step up (upgrade) program was also very nice, I don't know of any other that had that.

Yes you can, you can do as many sessions as you want on a Pro card and 5 on a Geforce. People have been doing this for ages, if you can't get it working either it's something you are doing or you are trying an unsupported scenario, which btw wouldn't change if you had 100 nvenc encoders on a card since most have 2 already. https://developer.nvidia.com/video-codec-sdk Also real-time encoding aka live streaming has it's own requirements, it has nothing to do with whether or not you can do multiple sessions. Your scenario is also only relevant to client side streaming, server side wouldn't care about any of that and would multi session just fine up to the real time limit due to performance (for live streaming only). But as mentioned requirements for live streaming and encoding in general are different. If you want to ingest a video file and encode it to 12 different output files of different settings then no problem, just let it run. You might want to have a look at this, possibly helpful to you when available: https://help.twitch.tv/s/article/multiple-encodes?language=en_US

Since when is that a "finish" issue? Btw I don't even dislike that look heh. I think it's pretty bold to proclaim the entire range of products is garbage and bad because they don't polish finish areas you don't see and are not part of the cold plate either when everything else is good and additionally some people actually like those tool mark finish (so long as it's patterned nice, eh you get the gist). Not saying it's unfair to expect higher grade finish on those areas for the price though.

Yea they used to only be a little more but now a basic CPU block is about 3x more. At least they often have things on clearance for 50%-60% off, because they don't sell at the full price heh. NZ is even worse but the only stuff that is stocked locally is EK which actually makes them cheaper than anything else due to shipping most of the time. Not if you buy a full loop worth of parts and spread that shipping cost across everything. Way back, I think 2012, I brought as much as I could from EK directly and had to get GST/Import registered but that did actually save me in the long run, I've never had to buy anything else other than specific blocks for GPUs and motherboards. All my EK stuff is essentially from 2012 other than those.

The only coolant I use from anyone ever is clear, which has never been a problem from EK or anyone I can look at all my stuff and see zero finish issue on them. Design well maybe, maybe not but that last time that ever made a real difference was basically never anyway. The two biggest factors when it comes to water cooling is price and aesthetics, anyone saying otherwise is being dishonest to themselves and whoever they are saying it to (exceptions always exist but this is the majority). And one of the biggest reasons to buy from EK is they have options nobody else have, which is all obviously subjective choice on what you actually want because you don't actually have to get that thing anyway. But if I'm going to buy one thing from X company then I'm going to buy everything else from them because I'd rather only deal with one and then also ensure everything used is the same metals, coatings and finishes. P.S. Yes I have opened by blocks to check and clean more than once so I know they have no issues.

Ah, I'm not sure anyone really wants that though. The Pro cards already have no actual limit on number of encode streams just performance/quality limit and they can do over 30 streams per card on Ampere at 1080p/30 high enough bit rate. https://docs.nvidia.com/video-technologies/video-codec-sdk/12.1/nvenc-application-note/index.html

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We always participate, in one way or another I'll be doing it with whatever I can.

In what places? A lot of countries have adopted very similar laws, very very few things require by law physical destruction. Medical information here doesn't for example. We are not required by law to have our LTO tapes destroyed but we do anyway by our own judgment. So no you are not commonly looking at physical destruction, the vast global refurbished supply of IT equipment shows otherwise and that even includes server hardware that were once prior used for sensitive data. And if you want examples of data that would be on our tapes, which again we are not required to under any law to physically destroy, would be: Medical data, personal information about minors, military data (low security), confidential industry data, research data published and unpublished, finical data, employee data, security indecent data (digital and physical). I think you are greatly over estimating who and what MUST be physically destroying data by law. Our relevant laws are current and last updated in 2022 and 2023. FYI a lot of countries updated their laws so physical destruction is not required for a lot of thing so they could utilize Azure/AWS/GCP etc. Prior to this, like here, those were off limits although for us sovereignty reasons not data security/destruction.

Everything we send away must get a certificate of secure erase, pretty simple liability transfer. You don't need witnesses or anything, these are certified documents and 100% transfer the liability in full. Sure contracts must be abided by but not everyone demands actual destruction. For example we demand destruction of our LTO backup tapes (data is software encrypted anyway) which we get a certificate of destruction however we don't demand our laptops even with on-board non-replicable NAND, just a secure wipe and certificate of wipe. A e-waste/recycling company could of course fake these certificates but that would be pretty stupid, although likely happens to some degree. But as to your point you can demand destruction but that doesn't mean they are, you can demand secure erase but that doesn't mean they are. There is no benefit or legal benefit to defaulting to asking for physical destruction unless the data classification requires physical destruction only. Anyone that really cares or is subjected to data laws that stipulate data erasure will do data wipes themselves first, we do. Everything that goes away for destruction or recycling (with secure erase) have already been wiped but they have to do it themselves and supply the evidence of doing it. Not true, that's not how laws or the court works. Commonality is not a factor. Neither is it actually that common in all places in the world, even within the same country. We can only pick from government accredited e-waste/recyclers who are audited and have security clearances, anyone can choose the same company do don't have to like we do. There isn't a shortage of companies that do it right and are known to do it right. This would actually be very useful, ideally with the device was MDM managed by Apple the prior owner would get a report in the portal verifying it has been wiped once it has and that status transmitted to Apple. Of course you can send remote device wipes via all MDM solutions anyway and get completion reports of it being carried out.

These architecture diagrams aren't actually to physical scale. They are for illustration only. The encoders and decoders are actually quite big (see below of GA102 for better view of relevant area) and they are in that portion of the die so they can be used while power gating the GPC's and to also not take power budget from the GPC's. Putting even just 1 pair of encoders/decoders in to the GPC would significantly increase the die area among the other drawbacks.

I have a lot, a lot of EK stuff and have never had any problems ever. It depends on what you buy, I have no AIO's of theirs and don't intend to buy them. What I do have is a huge supply of fittings and blocks from many different build and not ever had Nickel plating issues. And by a lot I mean more than 40 STC compression fittings and another 40 HDC compression fittings, many angle adapters and rotary angle adapters. Had multiple 6970 full cover block, multiple 290X full cover blocks, 6800 XT, Rampage 3&4 BE full cover, Supremacy CPU block plus more I'm likely forgetting or not worth mentioning and all without any issues and all perfectly good quality. This is not to say EK hasn't or doesn't sell products with problems, like any brand could or has. But I wouldn't go around calling literally everything a company makes garbage based off a tiny fraction of what they have ever made. It's also not like you can't find Nickel plating issues with both brands you mentioned in less than a minute, more recent EK plating being sub standard or not it's almost always user error that is the root cause and the quality merely saves your ass or not, or saves it for X amount of time. On the other hand I've had 3 Corsair AIO fail, 2 same reason and the other different but I wouldn't say all Corsair AIOs are trash and I'd still buy them and recommend them. TL;DR Crappily run companies can still sell good products. You mean the same D5 pumps everyone else sources from the same place and slaps their sticker on or the other same place everyone gets their DDC pumps from and slaps their sticker on? Laing/Xylem.

Also every part made would have to be shipped to an EK facility to be retail packaged and then shipped again to a customer. In a larger contract from a bigger partner packaging might happen at the same facility it's being made, not always but I'm pretty sure it wouldn't at a smaller scale. So it basically doesn't matter if you can find someone in the US for example to make it because you'll get killed by shipping, anything outside of EU would be a no go other than China which only wants to do things with much larger minimum order quantities which is where EK got in to all this trouble (not saying they have their stuff made in China, just an example).

Well that's all fine and good but we can more accurately go by past history from YouTube itself and also it's technical information on what they actually do. https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/04/youtube-is-now-building-its-own-video-transcoding-chips/ So I can very confidently tell you they aren't going to be AV1 only, not for a very long time/ever.

I literally did not say it has to be. But also you forget profit, you can outsource and they can have all the same costs, literally exactly but then also require a margin of 4% which you'd be paying so that would be 4% more than doing it yourself, all things being literally equal. Nothing is ever exactly equal though. If you go back and actually read what I have been saying I did not say only do one or the other, I just simply disagree small shops is a better idea than in house for the low volume stuff. It's also not just me that disagrees, every other company in the area of size of EK other than EK does it and only EK is having their problems. Not only do EK not do what the others are doing, making some or all of their products, they outsourced to their competitors i.e. Swiftech. The point is they can outsource the manufacturing of their rads for example for large scale cheaper manufacturing and in house Z790/X670 etc with a more costly process but not be subjected to minimum order quantity. Why push this out to some smaller scale person who may not even have the capacity to do the job with changing workload demands precisely due to who they are. Dealing with more manufacturers is a QA problem, it's the cited biggest issue that anyone like EK talks about or really anyone that designs products and gets other entities to make them and just because someone is doing it right now doesn't actually mean they will keep doing it right. Just because you can find someone to do something doesn't mean it's the right choice or the best choice, just like doing it yourself isn't always either. But I simply do not see managing many different small entities making various different products at different times in different locations of the world as a remotely good idea for EK. It's also not going to result in affordable products, if you really want to relegate something to ultra low volume make it price undesirable, guarantee of it not selling. Scale is an very important issue here, it's the cause of some of the problems for EK. Not every shop is actually going to want to accept the job or they might so long as it's 1 a month or 5 or 10 or whatever amount. They could well decline or counter with minimum order quantity... back to the problem again. So exactly what they are doing now then which is not working for EVERY product they make. Have you considered how many products they manufacture even for themselves they would call low volume and what that volume actually is? That wasn't a comment or reply to something you said.

The only real-time transcoding YouTube does is for Live Streams, they don't and haven't done any VOD playback transcoding in more than a decade. I would say ever but I don't know what YouTube did when it first existed. 16 versions of a video is absolutely less costly than transcoding, also it's likely much less than 16 versions, more than 10 is unlikely. Compute no matter if it's CPU, GPU, ASIC costs more than storage and it also doesn't scale anywhere near, like 100 times less, than file storage space and direct download.

Not paying wages is, it's literally a criminal offence. That's our law. It's also a crime for a business to not pay taxes. Also here Health & Safety Volitions can be held personally responsible to managers if serious or systemic. Corporate crimes are still criminal offences, whether or not a person does or does not, could or could not go to jail. Criminal offence != jail or potential of jail. That doesn't make it a Civil Action. The fact that only the State/Fed can do this typically makes it criminal. You might want to re-check if that is actually Civil or Criminal. https://www.egattorneys.com/wage-theft-penal-code-487m#:~:text=Wage theft is criminalized under,the underpaid wages exceed %24950. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/owed-employers-face-little-accountability-for-wage-theft/#:~:text=All forms of wage theft,get caught%2C according to Uribe. I think you are confusing the issue of only being able to hold the company itself, it's assets etc, accountable and liable. For one that is kind of the point and secondly individuals can be liable for corporate actions. Like the safety issue, if the company refuses to pay for safety equipment and you are in charge of safety and your force your direct reports to work then "you" are liable as well as the company, it's your responsibility and obligation to have the employees not work until they have the required safety equipment. Enforcement of laws tends to be more the problem than something like this being illegal, laws after all are worthless if not enforced.

Here intentional non payment of wages is a criminal offence, Theft by Employer. More countries should adopt that if not already.

For now and then not later is actually fine, if we are worried about phone battery life then by the time everyone is actually trying to play 4k on their phone only I doubt they have their current device. I would guess YouTube doesn't auto select 4k on phones but since I don't watch YouTube on my phone I wouldn't know. Outside of Apple it's actually more likely Windows laptops will have AV1 support. Intel supported it far sooner and a lot more people replace Windows laptops sooner compared to Apple. There will be people negatively effected but that was the case last time codecs were migrated too, nothing is going to catch on fire. Demanding zero people effected (negatively) is simply unrealistic and also unfair.

Or man who puts finger in high rpm server fan, that is also very loud But those rads and fans aren't actually that loud, sure they are 3 phase fans but it's not like I run them at 100% rpm. Servers in the room are louder.

They have full cover blocks for reference board designs and custom ones, I've typically brought reference GPUs so I know I should be able to get a full cover block and not solely from EK, although I only have EK parts. Custom board designs I think are fine if they come with a water block already, that makes sense to me as the potential buyer pool is higher since you don't have to take apart a GPU and put the block on and the cost is either covered in full or large part by the GPU AIB who will want to get those GPUs sold and will have to margin it out on their component share and not on the GPU block aka they have almost all the risk. Also "universal" GPU blocks did or do exist, full cover was mainly preferenced for aesthetics followed by VRM/power cooling.

If they are too loud then may I suggest something like these Not the exact same product as above but same same, this is what we actually have. Bring your own fan OFC, just pick something quiet (fan on other side, not visible).

@18:47 I'm not sure those are going to be quiet enough for your liking...

That isn't/wasn't a today decision, that was 5-10 years ago. EK has been around for a very long time and also didn't have so many different products. They had the opportunity to build manufacturing capability and choose not to. They have yearly revenue over 5 million USD and it's been that amount for a good while, they'd get a loan no problem, or would have. It's not the case of knowing the right guy. Not when you're EK. You can get something made to order and you can go and try and find them but it's a much different situation for precision products like what EK has that sells to anyone in the world. Sure you could but then you are in Billet labs price range not EK. Would you pay ~$500 USD for a full cover GPU block or $240? Literally the problem they have today is they "know a guy", "he" costs too much. If you employ the person making the product and the machines then you know the costs, you know the investment cycles, you have choices and controls. Outsourcing manufacturing comes with a pretty basic understanding, no business will do anything not for a profit. It's not always that simple but it's good to remember their profit is your cost, potential cost reduction can come from there so long as you can TCO it cheaper. You also can't know 30 guys in different places to make a wide range of products, that's quality control hell. We may talk about EK being low volume but it's not "know a guy" low. When I say some products should be or essentially be made to order I see that as viable if EK is the one manufacturing it because they understand, designed and have the responsibility over the quality of the end product. They also have the flexibility to utilize employee time when and how it suits so a person that has the job role and experience of making a select few product when necessary isn't doing nothing when they aren't doing that specifically. TL;DR I'm not saying EK needs to or should in house manufacture everything but nothing at all probably isn't right for them either.