Korben

Hi there,

I need some help here. I have build a new computer (partlist at the bottom), so far, so good. It runs very good, performance is ok. But after a while (30-120min) of using it, Windows start to behave strange. Here the symptoms:
- Windows kind of freezes but I can still move the mouse, move windows around, close apps (but the closed apps icons stay in the taskbar).
- Youtube videos stop playing.
- I can open Taskmanager, but not do anything with it
- I can't logoff or shutdown, allways have to use the power button to hard-shutdown

What I tried:
- run some benchmarks, to make sure it's not the hardware, at least not in an obvious way: Blender, Prime95, 3D Mark (Timespy), Shadow of the Tomb Raider
- I run a memory test (the one from Windows)
- I suspected WiFi problems and switched to ethernet
- I suspected iSCSI, switched it off
- I susepcted NZXT CAM, uninstalled it
- I ran a Windows repair
- I reinstalled Windows completely
 
...nothing really helped so far, currently testing with the updated driver versions: (lates I could find, except AMD):
nivida: 451.67
Intel WiFi: 21.90.2.1
Intel Bluetooth: 21.90.0.4
Realtek NIC: 10.039.0212.2020
AMD Chipset: 2.04.28.626*
* confusing thing with the AMD chipset driver: AMD's latest driver version for B550 is 2.04.28.626. MSI offers a driver for this board with the version 2.05.04.352. I am now trying the AMD version. First I had the MSI Version.
I try to keep an eye on temperatures, but they look good (CPU below 50°C, GPU below 50°C). It doesn't happen during workload (I didn't start playing games yet, would be to frustrating with this issue), just regular working, browsing, Youtube.
 
Additional notes:
- no overclocking, only XMP Profile for RAM.
 
Any other ideas?
If nothing helps I will try to run Linux for a while to see if it is hardware or software related...

PCPartPicker Part List
CPU: AMD Ryzen 3 3300X 3.8 GHz Quad-Core Processor
CPU Cooler: NZXT KRAKEN Z63 98.17 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler
Motherboard: MSI MPG B550I GAMING EDGE WIFI Mini ITX AM4 Motherboard
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 CL16 Memory
Storage: Intel 760p 512 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive (OS)
Storage: Samsung 960 EVO 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive (Data)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce RTX 2060 SUPER 8 GB WINDFORCE OC Video Card
Power Supply: SeaSonic Platinum 400 W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully Modular Fanless ATX Power Supply
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Pro (x64) 2004
Case: NZXT H210 Red

I am running on 2004. So that what not the reason (at least not for me). But I also thought about going back to 1909.
 
It's that kind of bug that drives people crazy because it's so unpredictable... the cause could be anything from hardware drivers to conflicting software.
 
TBH, I don't think CAM is a well designed software. It's currently using 9 processes to monitor the system... which is, imo, kind of ridiculous... occupying over 1 GB of RAM...
If I wasn't stuck with the hardware I would immediately remove it. Next time I know better.
 

Hi there,

I need some help here. I have build a new computer (partlist at the bottom), so far, so good. It runs very good, performance is ok. But after a while (30-120min) of using it, Windows start to behave strange. Here the symptoms:
- Windows kind of freezes but I can still move the mouse, move windows around, close apps (but the closed apps icons stay in the taskbar).
- Youtube videos stop playing.
- I can open Taskmanager, but not do anything with it
- I can't logoff or shutdown, allways have to use the power button to hard-shutdown

What I tried:
- run some benchmarks, to make sure it's not the hardware, at least not in an obvious way: Blender, Prime95, 3D Mark (Timespy), Shadow of the Tomb Raider
- I run a memory test (the one from Windows)
- I suspected WiFi problems and switched to ethernet
- I suspected iSCSI, switched it off
- I susepcted NZXT CAM, uninstalled it
- I ran a Windows repair
- I reinstalled Windows completely
 
...nothing really helped so far, currently testing with the updated driver versions: (lates I could find, except AMD):
nivida: 451.67
Intel WiFi: 21.90.2.1
Intel Bluetooth: 21.90.0.4
Realtek NIC: 10.039.0212.2020
AMD Chipset: 2.04.28.626*
* confusing thing with the AMD chipset driver: AMD's latest driver version for B550 is 2.04.28.626. MSI offers a driver for this board with the version 2.05.04.352. I am now trying the AMD version. First I had the MSI Version.
I try to keep an eye on temperatures, but they look good (CPU below 50°C, GPU below 50°C). It doesn't happen during workload (I didn't start playing games yet, would be to frustrating with this issue), just regular working, browsing, Youtube.
 
Additional notes:
- no overclocking, only XMP Profile for RAM.
 
Any other ideas?
If nothing helps I will try to run Linux for a while to see if it is hardware or software related...

PCPartPicker Part List
CPU: AMD Ryzen 3 3300X 3.8 GHz Quad-Core Processor
CPU Cooler: NZXT KRAKEN Z63 98.17 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler
Motherboard: MSI MPG B550I GAMING EDGE WIFI Mini ITX AM4 Motherboard
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 CL16 Memory
Storage: Intel 760p 512 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive (OS)
Storage: Samsung 960 EVO 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive (Data)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce RTX 2060 SUPER 8 GB WINDFORCE OC Video Card
Power Supply: SeaSonic Platinum 400 W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully Modular Fanless ATX Power Supply
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Pro (x64) 2004
Case: NZXT H210 Red

This thread saved my day, since I am building a computer with an h210 and o was searching all through the internet to see if my 267mm card would fit with a radiator, and thank to this it did!!! YAY!

I know, it's an old post but wanted to. Throw in some deets and encourage others to. Try the build.
 
Looks good though! The aio hose cabling is a little wonky through the top so I opted out and just left it more straight to reduce the tension on the hoses. 

@Korben, what can we do. Corsair has their iCue. Maybe that's another set of problem of it's own. I have 2 crapware running now, NZXT CAM and G Hub. I could not avoid those as they are needed for the functioning of my AiO and peripherals. I avoided MSI Dragoncentre like a plague (or Cov-19). That is also another dumpster fire. if I were to build another machine, I would be going with zero RGB, zero reliance on AiO software. Probably non-RGB water cooling loop from EK. 
 
Just ranting. Update on the situation; computer's running well with 1909. Touchwood, no freezes. 

Hello Folks,
 
I got a message from NZXT Support and I think my PC is fine, at least it's running 10 days straight without freezes.
@Korben @Imannudein @Jayrii @Minions78 @zaborudo
I'm running CAM 4.10.1 and my computer runs 24 hours a day for the test (at least for 10 days).
 
Info from NZXT:
"Hey there!

I am sorry to hear you are having problems with our CAM software. Firstly, could you try deleting the NZXT CAM folder found in the following path and restart CAM to see if this issue occurs?  C:\Users\YOUR USERNAME\AppData\Roaming\NZXT CAM or you can access this folder by typing %appdata% into your windows search bar and press enter.  After this, if that doesn't resolve the issue, please remove CAM with this software called Revo Uninstaller, as this software allows users to delete all residual files from CAM.  https://www.revouninstaller.com/products/revo-uninstaller-free/

Then you can do a fresh install of the CAM software."
 
PS: As a precaution, I disabled the option Windows Autostart and minimize CAM when closing. RBG and Fan Settings are working.
Still using Windows 10 2004.
 
Thanks all

As I understand it, there are some quite aggressive anti-spam measures in place on the LTT discord to protect against spam and raiding, so you are probably being caught by that. I'd recommend sending a DM to Momo#1111 (case sensitive) on discord if you're having trouble, there's nothing that we can do on the forum.

Thank you @Korben, my issue is solved. Corsair India arranged replacement in a week. But I got to know that I can buy particular switch from amazon too. I didn't knew that, so thanks man

https://www.amazon.com/Button-Desktop-Computer-Motherboard-Re-starting/dp/B079DLX7NS/ref=sr_1_2?crid=2Q9A4J40X3LY2&dchild=1&keywords=pc+power+button+external&qid=1596739289&sprefix=pc+power+button+%2Caps%2C290&sr=8-2
 
Or something similiar. Their are some button that look a bit fancier. These would be more for temporary use.

So I was busy overclocking my Corsair Venegance LPX 3000 RAM, and I cranked the voltages up to 1.4, and managed to push 3400mhz out of the memory.
 
I wanted to get to 3500mhz, so I set the voltages to 1.42, and managed to get 3600mhz out of the ram. I could probably push it higher, but I haven't tried yet.
 
I'm using the stock cooling, with no ram cooler on top. Am I just getting really happy about my overclock or have I really set a new record?
 
I can provide evidence if you guys want, just tell me what app I should screenshot.

Hi there,

I need some help here. I have build a new computer (partlist at the bottom), so far, so good. It runs very good, performance is ok. But after a while (30-120min) of using it, Windows start to behave strange. Here the symptoms:
- Windows kind of freezes but I can still move the mouse, move windows around, close apps (but the closed apps icons stay in the taskbar).
- Youtube videos stop playing.
- I can open Taskmanager, but not do anything with it
- I can't logoff or shutdown, allways have to use the power button to hard-shutdown

What I tried:
- run some benchmarks, to make sure it's not the hardware, at least not in an obvious way: Blender, Prime95, 3D Mark (Timespy), Shadow of the Tomb Raider
- I run a memory test (the one from Windows)
- I suspected WiFi problems and switched to ethernet
- I suspected iSCSI, switched it off
- I susepcted NZXT CAM, uninstalled it
- I ran a Windows repair
- I reinstalled Windows completely
 
...nothing really helped so far, currently testing with the updated driver versions: (lates I could find, except AMD):
nivida: 451.67
Intel WiFi: 21.90.2.1
Intel Bluetooth: 21.90.0.4
Realtek NIC: 10.039.0212.2020
AMD Chipset: 2.04.28.626*
* confusing thing with the AMD chipset driver: AMD's latest driver version for B550 is 2.04.28.626. MSI offers a driver for this board with the version 2.05.04.352. I am now trying the AMD version. First I had the MSI Version.
I try to keep an eye on temperatures, but they look good (CPU below 50°C, GPU below 50°C). It doesn't happen during workload (I didn't start playing games yet, would be to frustrating with this issue), just regular working, browsing, Youtube.
 
Additional notes:
- no overclocking, only XMP Profile for RAM.
 
Any other ideas?
If nothing helps I will try to run Linux for a while to see if it is hardware or software related...

PCPartPicker Part List
CPU: AMD Ryzen 3 3300X 3.8 GHz Quad-Core Processor
CPU Cooler: NZXT KRAKEN Z63 98.17 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler
Motherboard: MSI MPG B550I GAMING EDGE WIFI Mini ITX AM4 Motherboard
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 CL16 Memory
Storage: Intel 760p 512 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive (OS)
Storage: Samsung 960 EVO 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive (Data)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce RTX 2060 SUPER 8 GB WINDFORCE OC Video Card
Power Supply: SeaSonic Platinum 400 W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully Modular Fanless ATX Power Supply
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Pro (x64) 2004
Case: NZXT H210 Red

It depends how wide the arm's footprint is on the desk (on both sides). If the weight/force is distributed over a big area it might work. (sorry for the bad english).
The linmon is not made from solid wood so it doesn't sound very sturdy to me.
Maybe use 2 arms? I use 2 arms and I like the flexibility.

Only Alienware could have a green PCB graphics card, blue PCB motherboard, ketchup and mustard cables and a non-powder coated case and power supply in 2020. I guess they just really love nostalgia.

It depends how wide the arm's footprint is on the desk (on both sides). If the weight/force is distributed over a big area it might work. (sorry for the bad english).
The linmon is not made from solid wood so it doesn't sound very sturdy to me.
Maybe use 2 arms? I use 2 arms and I like the flexibility.

disable legacy and enable sata in bios

Microsoft did some changes in their anti-malware software (Defender) so that entries in the Windows hosts file containing Microsoft servers are marked as security risk. If the file is not excluded from the scan (which is not recommended) it will be replaced by the default version (which contains no entries).
This behaviour was  confirmed for Windows 10 1909 and 2004.
 
Quotes
 
My thoughts
Sounds a little bit like "abuse of power" to me. I don't use the hosts file to block tracking (I use pi-hole), but still I don't like this kind of manipulations.
 
 
Sources
 https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/windows-10-hosts-file-blocking-telemetry-is-now-flagged-as-a-risk/
(German) https://www.heise.de/news/Windows-Defender-zensiert-hosts-Datei-4863355.html

source: https://time.com/5875371/blizzard-wage-disaparities/
 
I'm sort of torn on this. It's sort of expected for testers and customer service reps to be paid less and you shouldn't go into those positions expecting to make lots of money. But the report that employees got significant pay raises when they left for other companies shows that there are problems with pay and raises at blizzard. 

Microsoft did some changes in their anti-malware software (Defender) so that entries in the Windows hosts file containing Microsoft servers are marked as security risk. If the file is not excluded from the scan (which is not recommended) it will be replaced by the default version (which contains no entries).
This behaviour was  confirmed for Windows 10 1909 and 2004.
 
Quotes
 
My thoughts
Sounds a little bit like "abuse of power" to me. I don't use the hosts file to block tracking (I use pi-hole), but still I don't like this kind of manipulations.
 
 
Sources
 https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/windows-10-hosts-file-blocking-telemetry-is-now-flagged-as-a-risk/
(German) https://www.heise.de/news/Windows-Defender-zensiert-hosts-Datei-4863355.html

Microsoft did some changes in their anti-malware software (Defender) so that entries in the Windows hosts file containing Microsoft servers are marked as security risk. If the file is not excluded from the scan (which is not recommended) it will be replaced by the default version (which contains no entries).
This behaviour was  confirmed for Windows 10 1909 and 2004.
 
Quotes
 
My thoughts
Sounds a little bit like "abuse of power" to me. I don't use the hosts file to block tracking (I use pi-hole), but still I don't like this kind of manipulations.
 
 
Sources
 https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/windows-10-hosts-file-blocking-telemetry-is-now-flagged-as-a-risk/
(German) https://www.heise.de/news/Windows-Defender-zensiert-hosts-Datei-4863355.html

Microsoft did some changes in their anti-malware software (Defender) so that entries in the Windows hosts file containing Microsoft servers are marked as security risk. If the file is not excluded from the scan (which is not recommended) it will be replaced by the default version (which contains no entries).
This behaviour was  confirmed for Windows 10 1909 and 2004.
 
Quotes
 
My thoughts
Sounds a little bit like "abuse of power" to me. I don't use the hosts file to block tracking (I use pi-hole), but still I don't like this kind of manipulations.
 
 
Sources
 https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/windows-10-hosts-file-blocking-telemetry-is-now-flagged-as-a-risk/
(German) https://www.heise.de/news/Windows-Defender-zensiert-hosts-Datei-4863355.html

Microsoft did some changes in their anti-malware software (Defender) so that entries in the Windows hosts file containing Microsoft servers are marked as security risk. If the file is not excluded from the scan (which is not recommended) it will be replaced by the default version (which contains no entries).
This behaviour was  confirmed for Windows 10 1909 and 2004.
 
Quotes
 
My thoughts
Sounds a little bit like "abuse of power" to me. I don't use the hosts file to block tracking (I use pi-hole), but still I don't like this kind of manipulations.
 
 
Sources
 https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/windows-10-hosts-file-blocking-telemetry-is-now-flagged-as-a-risk/
(German) https://www.heise.de/news/Windows-Defender-zensiert-hosts-Datei-4863355.html

Microsoft did some changes in their anti-malware software (Defender) so that entries in the Windows hosts file containing Microsoft servers are marked as security risk. If the file is not excluded from the scan (which is not recommended) it will be replaced by the default version (which contains no entries).
This behaviour was  confirmed for Windows 10 1909 and 2004.
 
Quotes
 
My thoughts
Sounds a little bit like "abuse of power" to me. I don't use the hosts file to block tracking (I use pi-hole), but still I don't like this kind of manipulations.
 
 
Sources
 https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/windows-10-hosts-file-blocking-telemetry-is-now-flagged-as-a-risk/
(German) https://www.heise.de/news/Windows-Defender-zensiert-hosts-Datei-4863355.html

Microsoft did some changes in their anti-malware software (Defender) so that entries in the Windows hosts file containing Microsoft servers are marked as security risk. If the file is not excluded from the scan (which is not recommended) it will be replaced by the default version (which contains no entries).
This behaviour was  confirmed for Windows 10 1909 and 2004.
 
Quotes
 
My thoughts
Sounds a little bit like "abuse of power" to me. I don't use the hosts file to block tracking (I use pi-hole), but still I don't like this kind of manipulations.
 
 
Sources
 https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/windows-10-hosts-file-blocking-telemetry-is-now-flagged-as-a-risk/
(German) https://www.heise.de/news/Windows-Defender-zensiert-hosts-Datei-4863355.html

@Korben Im having the same issue as you my pc freeze randomly and i can move around the mouse but after a while the pc does not respond and i need to shut it off manually. I Think the problem is the NZXT cam for doing this. I uninstalled Icue and Dragon center for suspecting them for doing these kind of freezes but i anyways get the freezes. I dont know what to do. currently after reading these post im not suspecting any of my hardware because i play games whitout any problem just these weird randomly frezzes. I built my pc about 3 months ago and is very disappointed that i am experincing these. i think im gonna start Cam every time i start the computer to get my rgb profile for my fans to work and then exit cam right away and not having it run in the background and see if it does the trick and stops these annoying frezzes.