JCBiggs

Fair enough. I think I will wait for Intel, though unless its a major win for intel, I'm sticking with AMD. Im also curious to see what the new Microsoft Arm chips look like in the new surface pro as well. I think were finally approaching the point where I can legitimately get the same amount of work done on a laptop these days, so I'll hold off for some benchmarks. Maybe Microsoft has been working on something to compete with the m2

my assumption is that my workloads are going to be thermal limited and Im not going to be in boost. Thats why I care more about the base clock. 7900 vs 7600 both have the same base clock (4.7) so If running 2 threads on each, they should both sit on 4.7 and do the same work at 4.7? right. again assuming both chips are limited to 4.7 I want the new chip for the ddr5. Im due to upgrade this quarter. we do full system replacements every 3 years. I dont need the cores in need thread speed.

cool. organize it after threads are answered. have a nice day.

so that said, If i were to buy a 7600x instead of a 7700x... literally all I am losing is the 2 cores? I ask mainly because I want the higher base clock for better single thread performance, but i dont want to splurge on a 7900x. Ive got a 3800x now, and I cant see how the new 7600x would be any slower really.

The most appropriate category is the main thread where people read them. You guys move them to the sub forums and 80% of the time they die and never get any answers. Thanks.

Does anyone know if on modern Ryzen CPUs, 5 vs 7 vs 9.. do you actually lose any of the features on the 5 that you might have on the 9? I know pcie lanes and such can be different, but what truly makes a 5 a 5 and a 9 a 9... is it just the core count or is there more to it, in the instruction set for example?

Is it possible to build a "storage controller" with otc hardware? I'm thinking something with 10 or so nvme drives. Once built, how does one go about connecting it to other servers in a non networking protocol way? I'm wanting to connect a couple of other servers to this main storage appliance. I know power edge servers do this for redundancy. Didn't linus have his nvme disk shelf connected over 100g?

well, I am thoroughly confused. I was able to get Asus Control center working. (what a buggy POS software solution that is) and after basically disabling the firewalls on the internal networks, I was able to get the bios setting changed. I am positive the settings changed, because I set the fTPM to enabled, and now my PC shows as windows 11 ready. It didnt do that before. I also disabled fast boot, and added a 10 second delay on the post. My computer is definately taking longer to boot, but its still not showing the bios screen at all. I am on the latest bios, but I am going to flash it again to be sure. (from ACC) ...if that doesnt work Ill pull the drives. this is really a stupid problem to have.

Im going to try accessing the bios with Asus control center. Apparently this is doable through the RTL8117 Nic. Who thought it was a good idea to give remote access to BIOS? i mean, im using it, but that sounds like a damn horrible idea.

pulled the battery for 5 minutes. no difference.

nope that was the first thing I tried.

tried that. didnt work.

I have a asus WS X570 Pro motherboard. I have no issues with the PC or the overclock. The machine boots to windows with no problem, and that is the problem. There is no way that I can find to get into my bios. I have forced the monitors to stay on, tried all the ports, disabled fast start in windows, forced a shutdown from powershell, and powered off the machine and removed the CMOS batttery. No matter was I do, the asus splash screen never apperars and im never prompted to hit f2 or del. I have also tried spamming f2 and the del key at startup, to no avail (also f8 f10 and f12) The only thing I can think of is completely removing the Drives. Any ideas?

That's exactly right and that's where you really need the power (lower frequencies) those are the frequencies that you feel and those really demand alot of power. My 10 inch sub is 200 watt rated continuous. I have 700 on it.

Everything you said is correct, but you're leaving out a few critical pieces of info. 1st, with all channels driven, that avr is probably doing around 50-70 watts per channel. Maybe less. (Of course take into account that all channels are not going to be using all the power at one time so I'm say that's probably a little average) The majority of that power is likely going to be sent to the large drivers for low frequency reproduction. At that wattage, with the low tones sucking up most of the juice, you're going to have to increase volume and that is when you start to approach the dangers of clipping. In home theater, probably not much of and issue since the peaks are short but there will be an issue. Underpowered speakers are far more susceptible to damage than over powered ones. You're really going to see the issue in fast paced, long duration action scenes where all 13 speakers are working hard. The volume will drop off. That's been my experience at least. The 2nd thing is that the additional power doesn't just affect loudness. It significantly impacts clarity and tone. I used to think, 70db is 70db. It's gonna sound like what it sounds like at 70db. But that was NOT the case. At least for me. I dont know if it's less voltage drop, more air movement, or just more power available for the peaks, but my hair didnt stand up when the trumpets came in until i put the extra power on them. As you said, you can rapidly use more power. it's not that you need to listen at 100db, its that you need the extra 100 watts to give you the punch for that one bass note. That same power head room is really what you need in a home theater. Especially if you're watching block busters with huge sound... However...all that said, i will concede Linus has a small room and may never notice.

80 anything is super low imo. My 2 sets of klipsch towers are 97 and 98db. Obviously I'm going to pick sound quality first, but sensitivity seriously pays off when it comes time to buy power. That's not to say there isn't excellent speakers in the low 80s even... they just don't need to be driven with an avr. Even if it is a $6000 one.

Who cares. Let's get back to the topic at hand. Ie... how much better those are gonna sound with some powa

That escalated quickly

Just watched Linus and crew set up his new svs prime surround. I have heard those and they are nice speakers but not very sensitive. they sound good with enough power though. Each tower is 250 watt rated at 8 ohms. The 8500 avr only has 150 watts per channel. (pretty sure its considerably less with all channels driven) The primes are bi amp capable though, so my suggestion is to bi-amp them with the Denon...or..even better... use the denon preouts and get a class d (crown xls2002 has enough power). They should sound much cleaner, and with proper power will make music listening very fun. im thinking that setup is going to have some clipping issues. What kind of gear are others running? I'm using klipsch 8000s and a crown 1502 (much more senstive than the svs's) with a denon avr.

I really hate when yall do that. no one browses the sub forums. move it after 24 hours.

Ive built lots of bad ass computers, usually with next to last gen hardware to save hardware. This time a splurged a little. I just got shipment confirmation of my 11h gen MSI ws66. Hopefully I have it pronto. you guys post a list of stuff you want to see... its got a "quadro" a3000, so Im really interested to see how well that performs. i think we know the 11900h will get the job done. (i wanted amd, but oh well.) Link here. https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1639862-REG/msi_ws66_11ukt_269_15_6_ws66_multi_touch_mobile.html

ended up pre ordering an MSI ws66 with the a3000. Ill sell it and upgrade when the amd version drops. this will satisfy for now. MSI has really improved the last couple years.

think of it as an opportunity to redeem themselves. lol

Razer has the closest thing to anyone else on the market. Which means its the smallest step towards what I want. Logic.

yes it is that much better. performance, power consumption, and heat output are all better with amd. And yes, I really need to quadro card. i prefer not having simulations crash after running for hours. also yes, I have new desktop machines that can do the work, but this mobile package is faster than my 2 year old desktop.