Aremis

Alright, now I'm going. Back in a bit.

Why would they have to make a new channel? No one's brought that up actually, but thats a fair point to make. Though I'm curious as to why they'd have to do that. Same as GN or Jay. Its just adding data points. Again, its showing more interest in other platforms and making other platforms more visible. I dunno maybe I have an argument I'm not making or pushing something I'm not aware of. No one's asking for linux heavy info. Unigine gives you a point score, add that to the board. Thats it. How is that hard?

Yeah because you brought up points I didn't think of and we had more conversation generate from it. Thats how conversation works. If you want, PM me what you'd want me to edit and I'll re-write it. No issues there bud. Tho post was off the cuff from other conversations I was having anyways, but with an energy of "Thank you for at least caring a little where other channels just ignore". That was mostly the point anyways.

Well I mean I run a thinkpad X230T and use it mostly for art. Most, if not all, wacom and huion things work, which is generally who dictates how that stuff goes. I run all older hardware, aside from my MSI. I don't need anything newer atm, but will soon. I wouldn't advocate for what that person said at all lol. But to each their own I guess.

Its not like I expect every user to know that though. Thats why flatpak and snaps exist. Make more things available more easily. Anyways. Discussed this earlier. General market, so Ubuntu, PopOS, or Elementary would be a good base. I'm not expecting live kernel readings here or anything, or showing how to build a driver or how to install. Theres other channels for that. Just relevant data that would possibly create interest in more data. Forbes is also the sit that screams OH MY GOD DON'T UPDATE WINDOWS one week then OH MY GOD UDATE WINDOWS _RIGHT NOW_ the next. I'd hardly call them a reliable source when it comes to tech. Also no one really uses PPA's anymore? At least they aren't as wide spread. Regardless, they aren't needed for things like benchmarks or steam. I agree I could have better wording, but I've been stuck this thread all morning and haven't had my coffee yet. May it be known at least that things do just work on linux more often than not anymore. That was my point. And its not like they have to have a COMPLETELY SEPARATE system. Theres multiple SSD slots and sata ports for a reason you know. I didn't know that people didn't know that. Apparently I was wrong. Thats my point. Performance can be equal, better, or worse. Why is that irrelevant to you?

Lol thats sad. Use what yu want. Hell I can play skyrim on a pentium 4 in linux. Might as well let that be available, right?

The reason it takes so much to get it to take off is because people have to argue like this and prove they're in the right no matter what. The same points have been argued for years. Linux doesn't have as good of driver support. False. Linux doesn't have as good of NVIDIA support. linux isn't worth the time. False. Windows 7 is an open market for advertising a newer more secure platform. I mean the same points have been talked about for years but its not like anyone has actually progressed the conversation at all. Thats why linux is in a stagnant position in the first place, is it not? Demand isn't there by as many people as are on windows. When the crowd is muffled by yelling and screaming, or just a bigger user base is used as the reason, then nothing happens at all anyways. If there isn't effort put forward, nothing happens. Object in motion stays in motion until stopped. Object not in motion will not be in motion until interacted with. Exactly same thing here.

Hai kitty senpai. Its called getting eyes on things. LTT has more users. And a podcast with potential to get a mention. VS GN where I'd just get shit on at the end of a news roundup instead of getting a valid argument from people.

Ok, then linux being comparative to the libertarian party being ignored... Yeah sure, ok whatever.

I have to go for a minute to do some farm chores. I'll be back in a little bit if anyone else wants to disuss.

Cool, then I guess democracy doesn't exist either. But thats outside this thread.

Alright. Wanna help spread the word with me? Otherwise those campaigns die and no one does anything. As have hundreds. If not thousands. For all sorts of things, not just YT.

Not showered, but reciprocated.

Ok, then they don't switch to linux. I don't think that entire 34% would switch over. I think that 8% of that could though, or 12%. Easily. Ok, then thats a healthy conversation and relevant data to have for this sort of thing. Exactly why stuff should be brought up like this. Except that you can install steam, turn on proton, and tada you're playing dark souls 2? I don't see your point. Not even that. People just don't know its an option. I don't need GN to be a linux channel. as mentioned several times already, the info being shown would simply be appreciated. When enough viewers commented a year and a half ago to two years ago that they had to mention that they wouldn't cover linux, how much do you think that amount has grown? Actually maybe it was 3 years ago now. New decade fucks with me.

I'm using GN as the example channel. I respect them for their ability to handle data so well. Thats why I'd want them to do it, vs LTT where linus is likely to drop the linux machine down a flight of stairs doing something stupid (no offense linus, just no one would be surprised at this point).

I don't really see how, but ok. Literally just handle shit like they are currently. Adding two data points. But ok. When an update breaks windows what do you do? I'm also saying I'd dump money on them for them to do that work, as would many many others. You're ignoring the fact that this adds data value but also monetary value to their channel, just as I'm ignoring data that I don't think of. This is why conversation is good bro. Linux users often pay for work they see that does a lot. At least in this sort of aspect. I'm not sure where the negatives all are, thats why I'm even conversing about it. If money is an irrelevant thing to an argument about ROI, then why is it an argument? I'm not even being hopeful, I know many users who have said they would donate to people in public view who would cover such things. Also, while a small percentage of new eyes, yes, you're ignoring my point on users who would move over knowing that the platform would work. We get new posts on L1T daily, by the tens at times, of people asking what would and wouldn't work. If this sort of data popped up for people to ask those questions more, thats on the linux community to handle it, not GN. Another thing that you're ignoring. If we're keeping tallies that is /s If a video is a day late because they had to make sure of something, not many people would complain. Already happens. So.... I guess irrelevant point?

But it is a viable option for those stagnant on a platform that doesn't even give them the time of day. Or if you don't want to pay 200 bucks to play CSGO. Or if you don't want to worry as much about security. Or you don't want your computer to forcibly update in the middle of one of your games or streams. Or you don't want your computer to literally die on an update (not as many problems with that nowadays, actually) Or.... you get it?

Agreed, but thats also how you lock in engagement. Otherwise if it was just a thank you note this would have been completely ignored, no one would have brought up points that I could counter argue on that GN or LTT would also bring up but its not like I expect them to be in the thread, and in the end I would have wasted my time even just thanking LTT to begin with for even featuring a linux thing on their channel. Tada, thats called marketing. Which BTW linux users seem to hate for some reason. PRobably why we aren't included in YT benchmark videos. I mean its not even a guessing game atp. Since AMD puts out the AMDGPU updates early AF before the card releases so the software can be implemented by mainline distros, all GN would have to do is have an updated system. If they had to test nvidia cards, oh wow, look at that, PopOS auto-setups nvidia cards for you. Thats cool. Lets mention that to the audience so that when they upgrade to the 3080TI or whatever they don't have to be scared of a terminal. They already have that en masse, are you kidding me? And you think a windows neckbeard is going to get as many views as GN? GN may be comparatively small in sub count to Jay or LTT, but they are extremely well versed in handling that sort of thing. Also, the windows neckbeards still get more views than the linux neckbeards. Phoronix or not. Alos those corrections by users are how clear data is sorted out. Otherwise you just have a shitload of misinformation all over the place and when anyone tries to do anything theres 8 different articles all with different instructions on how to do something that ultimately don't work. The fact of the matter is GN is where people go for technical information in a plain and easy to read format. Adding more data is not a detriment to society. If anything, it helps users and gets them more money. Also if people bitch that GN didn't use void linux, as you said earlier, they aren't linux users, and they can say that upfront. If they used ubuntu or PopOS for their benchmarks and gave a clear reason why they'd never have to bring it up again, just like they do with all that dumb shit now. How is that unrealistic? I want a good explanation for that btw, not just "Well no one uses linux so swag" like the other posters. Good to know you're a fellow user. Again, I'm not demanding info on gaming at all. Relevant data. Thats it.

I'm not trying to say theres a large market at all. I'm trying to say theres options and data being missed out on. Theres literally hundreds of thousands of people out there that would find any information relevant. My point was that steam thread is just a small percentage of people that would love that data, and that theres so many people scattered everywhere that all have their reasons to NOT say what platform they are on that WOULD see something like a GN video. Is that more clear? Sorry if I wasn't clear. I'm a little overwhelmed with trying to keep up with people. My point on stats is that not everyone is even in the stats. I've never believed the marketshare numbers. Theres people that don't even report to that census on purpose. And again, they have their reasons. I won't demand anything of them either. Yeah linux gaming is niche, but an option. Make that option known to people who need that to be an option. (IE the 34% of steam users still no windows 7 that refuse to update that are on forums like this one looking for ways to get around having to update. You saw the same thing with XP, 2000, and 98.) Hi, proton exists. It literally makes that shit just work. Built into steam. And useable for all games. This point is getting monotonous now, especially with valve literally never shutting up about the tech they have. I don't expect gamers to move to linux. Thats unrealistic. I expect linux to be seen as the viable option that it is, however.

Well when an audience creates demand and potential for more patreon donations, that seems like a quick fuck you to someone that would gladly dump their wallet. But ok. Me too. Wanna date?

Well I'm kind of all over the place anyways. That and I'm on a forum I don't come on getting yelled at by a picture of a beard that I can't grow lol. Fair though. But I wasn't really expecting to be spending my morning on this site either. My point is that using phoronix's site can be.... intimidating. Finding the exact info you want isn't as clear as finding a GN video on an RX 5700XT. They give their titles cute names, then you discover the article you dismissed as small or non-useful was actually the one you wanted. VS a GN or LTT video literally just covering that one thing having all the info in it. I don't expect them to be linux experts. I don't want a live read of kernel activity on the sides of the bar graphs. Just a mention that something works, and whether it works well or works poorly. Simple enough. And yes, he does, however the community runs itself for the most part. We're all veterans of Tek Syndicate. Whether wendell is there or not is irrelevant. The only reason L1T was started in the first place was literally because the entire TS forum made a discord in a panic because, suddenly, no one could talk to each other. Theres still users stranded that don't know about L1T. I don't expect that GN would comb throguh endless forums. However, they could make a post asking for quick links to stuff and we would be happy to oblige, at least I would. I'd jump on that shit immediately, and I know others would as well. I don't expect GN to spend more money for linux staff at all. Even if they had some shitty pre-built on the side that had ubuntu on it, hell I'll buy them a thelio FFS, just to run a test or two that would be relevant to their video. If they needed money, I would donate. Many would. Thats part of what linux is all about, and part of the mantra of the linux community. Support, regardless. Its not as easy? Ok, we could say the same in a hypothetical world where linux is mainline and windows is secondary. How easy is it for you to install MSI afterburner or tomb raider and test shit? See, we have the same things here. Its literally just as easy to install tools, if not easier. Its literally just trying. You'd probably make a similar post if you were in my position, and probably say that things were easy too and get shot down by people on some random forum on the internet and get your pst dismissed right off the bat by people. Or is that idea unrealistic too?

As mentioned in previous posts in this thread, I make content on linux all the time. Whether AMDGPU gets an update for southern islands ( as well as AMDGPU getting brought up at all back in kernel 4.5, I covered that shit daily dude it was a mess and I have nothing but respect for that sorta work) or literally anything else. They aren't obligated, no, but when theres enough demand that GN has to mention in a news roundup at the end of the week that they won't be doing OpenGL or Vulkan for relevant info on other platforms thats kind of a slap in the face directly. Same with other channels. Again, as mentioned earlier, I try to fill the gap and make info easier to find so that people don't have to go digging on sites that, IMO, aren't designed well. Heres my proof if you really don't believe me. https://forum.level1techs.com/t/the-amdgpu-info-news-thread/103728 https://forum.level1techs.com/t/amdgpu-pt-2-electric-boogaloo-and-news-thread/153071 On top of that I can't tell you how many people cme on the L1T forum asking about 5500XT or 5600XT compatibility but they're running 16.04 or 18.04 for "Stability Reasons" but want the hardware to work. Often the answer is "Update, then it will magically work, just like *snap* that" And before you mention that I haven't made a post on the newer thread in a little bit, life happens. That thread isn't my job.

No, not really. But that attitude is very common. Also you come off as aggressive and I don't really want to respond to you. But thats just me. Poor choice on my part, but I could also blame others in the linux community for burning that as an answer into me. Alright, then they could easily ask someone who would know that they already know. Such as, oh I dunno, Wendell. Or their audience. Or other peolpe they might know. Or on a forum. Or literally any other form of communication known to man. Ok. Least I'm putting the effort in to my argument right? Not just ~deflecting~ everyones posts? I'm here talking aren't I?

True, but using blender as a benchmark seems enough to me. Performance can have a huge bump on linux in comparison because theres not as much tech in the way. Is that not relevant information? Then don't cover it, or mention that setup is more difficult and have a link to a forum post they can reference to in the description. Or don't recommend that application. That is an option as well, you know. And then ignoring that performance on linux can be better? OR that theres even another option? I didn't know that sort of data was irrelevant. If that was the case, linux as a desktop system could be seen as irrelevant, even though it clearly isn't for a lot of people. Thats called a slippery slope. TMW proton actually works really well for a lot of games. While, yeah, some DRM stuff doesn't work (thinking Nexon's DRM with Combat Arms), EAC works. And so do a lot of other systems. Rust working better in proton (actually the linux port ran better than the windows one, and I have many reports from people on that, and not even hyper linux nerds) than in windows in some hardware is something to note. Not that I'd expect GN to include rust in that sort of thing though. Thats just an example. Hell I can even play WOW and overwatch. Perfectly fine. .....Anyways If someone on a displaced version of windows was watching a GN video and saw linux was a viable option for their next hardware upgrade, why would you want to not have that as an option for users in the future? I can't expect the average desktop user to go on phoronix and look up RX580 and see if their shit will work. I'd find that extremely daunting as a lot of the info won't make sense to someone who just wants to play some games and use their computer and NOT be spied on. Its a big concern nowadays, and not just by linux people.

Absolutely. I'm not the only one requesting info tho. Its not like I'm asking them to go to LFNW or anything like that, I'm not asking them to suddenly become enthusiasts or anything, just a mention of "This works well in ubuntu for games or blender" would be good enough. Theres many users that, as I mentioned above, are displaced from windows now that would use linux if they knew that stuff worked. If they wanted to know HOW TO USE it, they could go to level 1 techs. If they wanted to know IF THEY COULD use it, they would go to LTT or GN for that. Its why GN does follow ups on older hardware and compare it to current. Literally, 3 seconds on the side. Thats all linux users are asking for. We'll even send money to help with the cost of time. Its not like we're not generous.