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Yes. Nvme, 1080 ti, usb 3.0, 6 core cpu oc to 4.4 ghz in my case. Every last bit to keep it going. And what hell of a fun ride is has been, x58 surpriced me so many times like how a powerful gpu it cut handle, nvme ssd and the speed it gives, for how long i cut run games maxed out and still maintain 60 fps+ and so on. But year x58 has finally reach is prime time. 2019 i finally got games that really gave X58 a knock out and made me deside its time to move on. Metro exodus and far cry new dawn is the culprits that gave x58 the last dance for me. Ryzen 9 3950X with its 16 cores shut keep me going for a very long time. Mostly the most demanding i do is gaming. So i dont need threadripper and more cores. And yeah x570 seems like a nice chipsæt with pci gen 4, just sad that most boards with X570 chipsæt needs active cooling, but that is really also the only negative i can think of. All throw if any thing, it had been nice if this 16 core beast had support for quad-channel memory.

LOL the same here. Just i been on x58 for 10 years now and i can say for sure i have cramp every bit out of X58, that is possible. So yeah its time to move on now and also that upgrade sickness is really beginning to nag me. But man it has been a good long and funny ride with X58. So manny good memory's.

Why go with that cpu. Well for instant, i play games while i video convert and some times reccord my game play at the same time. Games these days alone can use 6 core and 12 threads. Then you have 10 core for video convert/reccording/streaming. And out of these 10'cores i will also dedicade 2 cores to handle background task, as i have a lot running like gpu overclock software, temperature software, software for logitech g series mouse/keyboard and so on. But also because i enjoy benchmarking and multitask a lot. But most importently, i have my hardware for a long time. I have been on intels X58/lga 1366 socket for 10 years now, just to give an idea for how long i use my cpu.

I am maybe gonna get the 16 core cpu. Waiting for reviews. I will not be so worried about 16 core oc. As long there is sufficient cooling. Motherboards has off cause vrm boards designed for that cpu overclock. But it would properly ot be wise to buy 3950X and then the cheapest motherboard.

I think it shut be a ok board. You will just dont have the option to overclock them and that can be very funny with these old X58 based CPU. Xeons can overclock well beyond 4 GHz on all cores and between 4.2 GHz and 4.6 GHz are possible with a good air cooler. Oh well that dosent matter in this case any way.

Here is my advice. Forget the W model Xeons as they do not support dual CPU setup. Then you are after the X model Xeon´s. if you can afford it, go after Xeon X5650, X5660, X5670 and so on. Those are 6 core 32 NM parts while the X55xx models are only 45 NM 4 core part. Secondly if you want to overclock these suckers, its a EVGA SR-2 mobo you need to look after, but its a rare board and by that not the cheapest dual socket boards.

Normal M.2 NVMe SSD can not boot on X58 with out third party software like DUET or a moddet bios. So if you exsample stick a Samsung 970 EVO in a PCI to M.2 adaptor in a PCI slot. You cant boot or see it in bios. You will only can see it in windows and use it as a storage drive. So in that part your friend is some what right, as you can not use it as a boot drive, but only for storage. But as said before software like DUET can more or less get any NVMe m.2 SSD bootable on X58. The down side is that it needs the third party software. There is a guide for NVMe with DUET on asus X58 here. That might be help ful for you. https://audiocricket.com/2016/12/31/booting-samsung-sm961-on-asus-p6t-se-mainboard/ More speciefik with the Samsung 950 PRO. Samsung left a little gift in that SSD known as legacy mode or OPT-ROM (Samsung 960/970 EVO/PRO does not have this option build in). That makes the Samsung 950 PRO bootable in legacy bios as the bios sees it as a IDE drive. But it only works when the sata controller is set to AHCI (raid is no go). So this specifik SSD can fully work on X58 or other chipsæt/motherboard that support boot from PCI express with out third party software or bios mod. all throw it seems some motherboards arrent happy with the 950 PRO. EVGA boards seems to fail while ASUS boards they work just fine and gigabyte as well. So not all boards can handle the SSD out of box and yes the SSD runs via a m.2 to PCIe adaptor. I use this adaptor for my SSD as it has a heatsink to cool the SSD. M.2 NVMe SSD can get pretty toasty when under high stress and not properly cooled. https://shop.aquacomputer.de/product_info.php?products_id=3400 Performance: Game load there are not much difference from sata to NVMe ssd and benchmark does not benefit from it unless the benchmark has a specifik overall pc performance tjeck like userbenchmark and Passmark performance test. So benchmark like 3dmark firestrike/time spy will not benefit from it in score, only in load time maybe. But in windows overall use, yes there are a difference that can be felt. Boot is faster, software loads faster and overall the pc just feels faster and more snappy and ready to go than a sata SSD. I am not going back to sata SSD as a boot drive. Deffently not. Note that most M.2 to PCIe adaptor runs X4 and by that can get a speed up to 1700 MB/s while 950 PRO is rated at up to 2200 MB/s, the point is that because of PCIe gen 2, you are speed limited to around 1700 MB/s. I made two video´s in bios, boot and shutdown. Seconds video just show a faster boot after i optimized bios and windows. Also i made this thread some time ago over at TPU.com. There might also be some help full stuff as bofh i and others later in the thread share som info. https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/m-2-ssd-on-old-x58-system-with-m-2-pci-adaptor-can-it-work.231611/ Well this is all i have to say about it. But yeah as a boot drive. M.2 NVMe SSD on X58 is pretty neat, but for game load and benchmark, that´s very limited what you get there.

Yeah. Just as zando bob said. Its tweaking tweating testing and then some more tweaking. But the end results are so satisfying. Stock performance is rather bad in modern games and what you exspect from a platform that came out over 10 years ago (release date whas november 2008). But when overclock, they can still shine. So people misses image of x58 pc's. Well i have posted mine before, but here she is again with some ghetto mods as well. First my old setup with an i7 920 and then my current with i7 980X. I7 920 (sorry about the cable mess, back then i just ditten care about looks. It gets better with the i7 980X). I mage and some benchmark screenshots. https://m.imgur.com/a/vyTFIpK https://m.imgur.com/a/WqD1iHK I7 980X image + benchmark screenshots. https://m.imgur.com/a/NLahrg9 https://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/10037039 https://m.imgur.com/a/uHjbbMg

I am not much into pricing, but yeah swap that I7 out with that Xeon and get a proper CPU cooler and overclock the crap out of it. Xeon tends to go pretty high. Well above 4 GHZ more or less any xeon can do. I have a I7 980X that is more or less the same CPU die running 4.4 GHz on all cores and replace that old GPU to a used GTX 1080 and you have a pretty desent gaming pc. But be aware that games these days is beginning to be very demanding and cause of that i have exspirence for the first time this year X58 cut not handle on the highest settings. That will be Metro Exodus and Far Cry New Dawn. These games i had to go down to high. Before that i cut run any game at ultra and still keep FPS over 60 FPS, but it seems X58 best days now are over if games like these two game i told about keep being this demanding or more. X58 will beforce to run games on medium to even keep FPS over 60 FPS. Just a friendly warning, so you dont go out and spend a lot of money of this old platform. Also dont buy a cheap air cooler for these chips. They get pretty hot then they operate over 4 GHz, so dont cheap out on the cooler throw. So a cooler like cooler master hyper 212 evo is not suficient for these chips, if you want then clock high. I use a Noctua NH-D14 with 3 fans on my I7 980X to keep it below 80 C at 4.4 GHz. Just as an exsample for how good a cooler you will need. Also when you OC. Also make sure memory clock is as high as possible and the uncore or ULCK clock on asus boards are set to about 3600 MHz. As that will help you with higher FPS, but more importent keep minimum FPS higher and lag spikes down in the more demanding games. Else have fun. X58 is fun to mess with, as its harder to overclock than most others systems. But then you get the hang of it, you really feel the difference from stock to a well optimized overclock.

Nooooooo you traitor, how cut you. It's alright. Infact on may 22 this year i have been on x58 for 10 dam years, a hole decade. So i have also desided that its time to move on. I'm just waiting for intel to release there next HEDT paltform and amd to release threadripper 3. And them i will deside what way i will go.

No matter what, i will still not operate my cpu close to throttle point and also that dosent change that hot running cpu's degrades faster than the ones running chill. Running a cpu hot may not effect people that have the same cpu for 2-4 years, but for some one like me that have the same cpu for at least 6 years or more (i had my i7 920 for 8 years before i replaced it with my current i7 980X), i would get concerned running a cpu close to throttle point every day for years. I stay at max 80C or lower.

X58 CPU´s thermal throttle at 101C, but as you properly know. The hotter a CPU runs, the faster it is worn out or degrade as it is also called. Also the hotter a CPU runs, the more unstable the silicon will become and that can effect stability, like high overclock and high stress workload like AVX512 newer intel cpu´s has on the CPU and can cause system crash or corrupt files because of calculating error. I would never runs any CPU above 80C over a long time. You can also see in your screenshot that the temp warning degreed is red or meaning it is in the danger zone temperature wise.

80 C. You shut deffently stop there then. Al throw these CPU´s can handle up to 1.4 volts. Intel CPU´s shut not be running above 80 C and if possible for 24/7 max load over long periodes of time 75 C is to prefer. My own i7 980X oc to 4.4 Ghz at 1.42 volts hitting the high 70C like 76-78C on the hottest core, so i desided to stop at that point. As you can see in the screenshot. if your CPU is around these temp, you shut stop overclock higher or get better cooling first before going higher.

Are those load temp with all 6 cores at full load means all cors run at 100 % load? If yes, you are fine. If not re test with all cores at full load and tjeck temps again with exsample prime95. But you shut deffently not begin to overclock the cpu with your current cooler. I5 7400 is rated to 65 watt TDP while i5 9600K is rated to 95 watt tdp al ready stock your new cpu is rated 30 watt higher than your old CPU and still using the same cooler and that is also why the new cpu runs hotter with the same cooler. Also your new cpu has 2 more cores and runs a significantly higher clock speed stock and that will also means higher temperatures. https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/97147/intel-core-i5-7400-processor-6m-cache-up-to-3-50-ghz.html https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/134896/intel-core-i5-9600k-processor-9m-cache-up-to-4-60-ghz.html Also nocture warns user with that cooler shut be used with care on cpu with higher tdp than 65 watts. https://noctua.at/en/nh_l9i_tdp_guidelines So if you havent test max temp with all cores at full load, you shut do it and se tjeck again. A CPU shut not operate at temp above 80 degress celsius and if possible below 75 degress celsius is advised.

The fastest solution that will work on X58 is as others already has pointed out. Samsung 950 PRO M.2 NVMe SSD (there is no EVO model of this one), thanks to its build in legacy mode or OPT-rom it can boot on X58 motherboards. Al throw a few x58 boards seems to have trouble using this SSD properly. But my Asus motherboard and my Samsung 950 PRO 256 GB has worked flawless for over 2 years now. Is it worfh it or not. It depends on the use. For OS drive and/or heavy load like video converting, yes i will say its worfh it, i enjoy so much to have this SSD, for game load and others things stick to a sata SSD cause there NVMe will not really benefit you there. For some speed comparison is here the SSD i have i my System testet on sata 2 and 3 + real sata 3 from my laptop and samsung 950 PRO. This is my Crucial MX300 275 GB sata SSD on sata 2 to the left (ignore the right one, that is just two WD velociraptor HDD i had in raid 0 to a comparison). This is the same SSD on onboard sata 3 that is pretty crappy because of the marwell controller. True sata 3 testet on my laptop And now to the Samsung 950 PRO 256 GB SSD two video´s of bios, boot and shutdown with Samsung 950 PRO on my own system. The second video shows a boot after i optimized the system for NVMe boot.

1. If you keep the CPU with in safe limits meaning safe voltage and temperature range. When i will say its not that dangerrous overclock a CPU. Do the for work properly before oc your CPU. That includes knowing the max safe voltage and temperature the CPU can handle. Cause what typically kills a CPU is to high voltage and/or temperature. 2. The benefits of overclock is higher performance. That means higher FPS in games (some games will benefit more from it than other games. It really depend on how the game engine is set up), better benchmark score if you are to that stuff, The pc might feel faster in every day use (also that depends on the CPU, you will properly not feel much aprovement here as you already have a cpu with high clocks out of boks and it is still new). faster done with cpu heavy task like video converting. So in short a better performing pc. 3. That i can not tell you. It depends on CPU, the ambient temp in the room it is in and your cooling. Some CPU´s need higher voltage for the same clock speed than another of the same model. No cpu overclock the same. But its mostly given that at CPU that runs on higher voltage also gets hotter. 4. A overclock cpu will slowly degrade over time, but mostly a overclock cpu will first die long after it has been replace any way. Unless you do extreme overclock on LN2, but that is not the case here. I had a I7 920 overclock for 4 years with no errors or failure and it still worked perfect the day i sold it and i took is really high at times. from 2.8 GHz on all cores when turbo kicks in stock to 4.4 GHz on all cores (ran it 4.1 GHz 24/7) and i now have a I7 980X that i have abused even more by overclock it to 4.75 GHz and put 1.55 volts throw it with is pretty high for this cpu (for every day i set it to 4.4 Ghz at 1.42 volts). So a cpu can take some heavy punishment with out dying and run overclock for years as long temp and voltage is not to high. Oh and by the way the I7 920 i had whas the first CPU i ever overclock to. 5. this i can not tell you as overclock differ from cpu and the arkitektur it runs on and i have no specifik exsperience with overclock an I9 9900K. 6. Short answer: yes it does. The long answer is yes, but as long there are no fysical damage to the cpu like burn marks, its very hard for intel or AMD to prove that the CPU has been overclock. 7. If you put a wrong setting in bios and it wount boot. Either the motherboard has a Clear Cmos button or a jumper to reset bios settings. If the motherboard dosent have any of these, you will have to take out the bios battery out and wait for around 10-15 minutes before you put the battery in it again to be sure it has discharge memory chip and by that reset bios. Also be aware that when you reset bios, it not only reset your overclock settings it also reset every other thing in bios to factory settings. So if you have change other settings in bios, you will also need to rechange them as well. Be cause of that and if you cant remember all changes you made over time. take picture of your current bios settings before start overclock or reset bios. Else I will say. Read up on it how you overclock you specifik CPU so you know max voltage and temp as well what settings do you need to change to get a nice high stable overclock. Dont forget to stress test it in different ways. Also know that an overclock CPU use more power so be sure your powersupply or PSU has the headroom for higher power consumption or else that can also make the system unstable and/or cause the system to make a sudden shutdown because the PSU gets overloaded. Also if you overclock your GPU together with the CPU the power consumption can easy go 100-300 watt higher than the stock system power load.

1.45 volts shut be fine. I have seen orther people use that voltage range for years. But 1.6 volts is to high for long run. But with that said. Here are some of the X58 cpu´s OCTEAMDENMARK abused years back with LN2. For how long they survived i dont know. https://valid.x86.fr/fyibp3 https://valid.x86.fr/show_oc.php?id=1562308 https://valid.x86.fr/show_oc.php?id=1176118

If the 1.66 volts is on the cores, i will have to call that bullshit then. I know people from back then that ran OCTEAMDENMARK and they told me they have killed X58 cpu´s with voltage above 1.6 volts. So run with that voltage for years sounds like bullshit to me. Intel max voltage for X58 32 NM cpu is 1.4 volts and volts close to 1.6 or above can kill them in the long run. I would never run a cpu at those voltage for long. My own CPU when i gave it 1.55 volts at 4.75 GHz is benchmark only. For every day use i stay at 1.42 volts.

I can confirm that 5 GHz is possible on X58 chips, but it really need some good cooling and at times dangerous high voltage. So unless you are prepare to risk roast your cpu, i will not reccomend it. But one of my friend had a I7 980X that cut do 5 GHz. But on a custom water loop with a waterchiller. I dont know what voltage he used and he can properly not remember today. My own I7 980X i have gotten up to 4.75 GHz at 1.55 volts. Its not the best cpu i got, but i manage to do it on air cooling on a pretty chilly night.

Ah i see. 4.8 GHz is high clock. For the fun of it i ran super pi on my own system. First with CPU fan´s locked to 1200 RPM and case fans at 900 RPM and then back after that all fans at there max speed. that is around 2900 RPM for CPU fans and 2300-2400 RPM for case fans that is corsair ML120 so you can se temp difference on air cooling. I keep alle cores and HT on. I ran it just on my every day settings. so no optimisazing for super pi run. ups on second image i forgot to chose different fan in CPU-z, but shut not mater so much as its the same settings. only fan speed is changed.

yeah around 1.4 volts that is as high you shut go on these chips. How much voltage you need to the cores also depends on how high you set uncore to. As you increase uncore you may also need to increase vcore to keep it stable. Then you must have been very very unlucky with that chip. Its not normal a CPU needs this cooling according to the volts you throw at it. Off cause it also depends what load you throw at it. Exsample when i stress test my cpu with intel burn test on very high setting. The cpu gets up to 20 degress celsius hotter than normal max load. Intel burn test use Lindata or linpack its better known as with is very hard on older CPU´s. lindata is also used in exsample OCCT stress program for cpu.

If the chip is not colable on 1.4 volts. I will say its more about a bad heatspreader or bad conection between heatspreader and cpu die. Those two chips i have/had where defently very coolable even on air at high clocks with all core and HT still on. I am wundering why you are only running single channel memory on that screenshot. That will significantly hold X58 back in task that are memory depending as X58 is triple channel. But according to Intel maximum voltage for these chips are 1.4 volts and i will never run my own CPU at 1.5 volts for every day use. As they gets to hot and watt use is very high and i would say those voltage will degrade the cpu faster over longer time.

Ah so you use an AIO. Im on air cooling and use a Noctua NH-D14 with 3 of noctua 3000 RPM industrial fans on it. Im not so fond of having water inside my pc that can leak out and roast it. If your CPU is only hitting 65 C full load at normal use. That means all 4 cores running 100 % load, then you can safely go higher. As i told 75 C core temp at max load in normal use is where you shut stop going higher. This is my pc with some ghetto mod, but it works great. Well if you really whant record fun on X58, then you shut consider getting a 6 core CPU for X58, they are way more fun to mess around with than there older quad counter parts. The Xeon version like X5650, X5660 are can be found dead cheap on places like ebay. You can take the words from one that replaced a I7 920 with a i7 980X. gaming performance also increased a bit and the 6 core 32 NM chips also runs a bit cooler than the 4 core 45 NM chips as your´s is. To give and idea of that. This is what i have achieved on my I7 980X on aircooling, but with high volts and temperature. Off cause these clocks are benchmark only. For comparison between I7 920 and I7 980X. Cinebench R15. I7 920 at 4.3 GHz vs. i7 980X at 4.4 GHz Steam VR test. note that this test does not support SLI, so only one of the GTX 970 i ran together with my I7 920 whas in use in the test and the CPU whas only clock to 4 GHz as at that time the cooler i used whas not the Noctua NH-D14 but a single tower air cooler. While the I7 980X runs 4.4 GHz and a single GTX 1080 TI. The score for the I7 920 system would had been better if the second card cut be used as well. The point with the VR test is also more to show that with a high clock 6 core X58 CPU, you can pair it with a pretty desent GPU to great enjoy in games that you may like to get on ultra og high settings with out losing FPS.

That is a nice start. But if your cooling can handle it, you can safely push is further if you want to. You can push vcore up to 1.375 volts (1.4 volts is max according to intel for long life span). Up to 1.375 is the voltage the cpu is dsigned to operate with in. You shut keep max core temp at 75 degress celsius for every day use at max load. See "VID Voltage Range" longer down in the link. For normal operation voltage. https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/37151/intel-core-i7-960-processor-8m-cache-3-20-ghz-4-80-gt-s-intel-qpi.html I had a I7 920 i pushed to 4.4 GHz at 1.43 volts at the end of the time i had it. Now i have a I7 980X at 4.4 GHz at 1.41 volts and my CPU is not the best overclockable cpu of X58 chips. I stopped oc my CPU higher than this as i reached my max core temp target of 75 degress celsius right about there as you can see in the image below. my point is that if you have cooling that can handle more heat, you can safely go a bit higher on core voltage.

That is not gonna work right out of box. For that to work, you need Samsung 950 PRO cause that is more or less the only true M.2 NVMe SSD that has Legacy mode build in and i have a 950 PRO in my pc. Legacy mode is also known as a OPT-rom. Also 950 PRO is only working on my Asus board with AHCI mode. Raid and IDE is a no go for me. For any other M.2 NVMe SSD to work on X58. You either need a bios with modded NVMe support or third party software like Duet. You can try this guide out on your gigabyte board all throw this guide is done on a asus board. But it still might work. That is my best solution for you. https://audiocricket.com/2016/12/31/booting-samsung-sm961-on-asus-p6t-se-mainboard/