Conan1600

nope. need a skylake cpu to update bios first

You found just a motherboard or a motherboard, cpu combo, or motherboard ram cpu combo, or whole desktop system? No OCing on that board, the bios will be locked down. the form factor looks to be micro atx so transplantation is possible to a standard micro atx compatible case. the 2400 would be suitable for 1080p or less gaming with reduced game settings with the combination of a 1060 or less. most likely medium quality setting to net the best results. i do not know your budget but if you start running higher than say $120.00ish USD for the ram, MB, and CPU i know there are better deals here in the USA to be had if you look around. Personally i would keep looking but i do not know the market or used prices in your location

make sure that your front panel i/o is connected according to your MB diagram. Ryzen has a thing with certain ram, some simply will not start. make sure your ram is listed on your MB compatibility list. make sure every connector is firmly seated. seat 1 stick of ram in one slot and try to start, if you fail try the other slot, then repeat with the other stick.

Personally i never bother with non k chips in MY personal rig. OCing is a large boost on intel i5/i7 and the price of k vs non k is too close not to buy k. on the ryzen platform the non x as on this generation almost all sku OC to the same or close to the same point and all sku's are overclockable.

How i would spend my money. Add additional 20 bucks or so for a G2play windows 10 [PCPartPicker part list](https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/tshkPs) **CPU** | [AMD Ryzen 5 1600 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor](https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/mV98TW/amd-ryzen-5-1600-32ghz-6-core-processor-yd1600bbaebox) | $288.75 @ Vuugo **CPU Cooler** | [Corsair H115i 104.7 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler](https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/RH2rxr/corsair-cpu-cooler-cw9060027ww) | $147.98 @ DirectCanada **Motherboard** | [MSI B350M GAMING PRO Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard](https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/TsfmP6/msi-b350m-gaming-pro-micro-atx-am4-motherboard-b350m-gaming-pro) | $99.99 @ Amazon Canada **Memory** | [G.Skill Flare X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory](https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/wX7CmG/gskill-flare-x-series-16gb-2-x-8gb-ddr4-3200-memory-f4-3200c14d-16gfx) | $259.99 @ Memory Express **Storage** | [Intel 600p Series 512GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive](https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/w34NnQ/intel-600p-series-512gb-m2-2280-solid-state-drive-ssdpekkw512g7x1) | $241.13 @ DirectCanada **Storage** | [Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive](https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/MwW9TW/western-digital-internal-hard-drive-wd10ezex) | $58.83 @ Vuugo **Video Card** | [Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1080 8GB Turbo OC Video Card](https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/HDvZxr/gigabyte-geforce-gtx-1080-8gb-turbo-oc-video-card-gv-n1080ttoc-8gd) | $703.50 @ Vuugo **Case** | [Fractal Design Define S w/Window ATX Mid Tower Case](https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/yLDzK8/fractal-design-case-fdcadefsbkw) | $94.99 @ NCIX **Power Supply** | [EVGA SuperNOVA NEX 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply](https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/g63RsY/evga-power-supply-120g10650xr) | $104.99 @ Amazon Canada | *Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts* | | **Total** | **$2000.15** | Generated by [PCPartPicker](http://pcpartpicker.com) 2017-04-22 04:21 EDT-0400 |

Beautiful build already made on pcpartpicker just at OPs budget https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/guide/89p9TW/enthusiast-amd-ryzen-gaming-build

You must understand though that you are not the mass market. you are an enthusiast who in order to gain every frame MUST atm be using a 1080 ti or higher, a high end 144hz monitor and a 7700k or you are fooling yourself as an i5 is incapable of giving maximum performance as well as anything below a 1080ti. Even at that you are talking a general 5-7% performance increase over equally priced Ryzen sku, unless it is the 2 games atm who are totally un optimized for ryzen where you see a 25% increase in performance. even at that you MUST turn off background processes in order to achieve better frame rates and you lose out on the ability to stream as efficiently so even for most enthusiast the ryzen platform excels. Honestly at this point the only way i can recommend intel for a new build personally is if the person is a competitive gamer, or if it just makes the customer happy as i am happy to take money despite my personal beliefs or even logic. if someone calls in and wants a FX in a new build and is not receptive to advice then i would be only to happy to sell them an inferior hardware platform.

The final word imo is that anything above or below a intel i7 7700k is dead. when you are talking hundreds of frames it no longer matters really in gaming especially as so many people game on 60hz monitors and will never see more than 60fps in a game anyway. you are so much better served by the Ryzen platform imo as it does not hit the wall in gaming like an i5 therefore getting superior gaming and vastly superior productivity. There is no real wrong choice between the 2 though. either is simply marvelous.

lots of opinions here. truth be told you said you had 250.00 for a platform upgrade. you would be well served to add another 50 bucks to that and go with a new b350 and r5 1400 with 8 gigs of ram as suggested by another member for right at 300.00 or go used. when going used i typically find the best deals on ebay by simply looking for an entire desktop for sale with a standard atx or micro atx motherboard so that it can be transplanted to another case. typically i can find a intel 2500 and up i5 for under 200 bucks with ram HD and all. you would be served by almost any sandy bridge I5 or higher intel setup, or any new Ryzen much better than your current rig. Do not waste money IMO on an i3 or older AMD CPU.

The reason for the "smoothness" many people are reporting IMO is that the Ryzen CPU's handle all the background processes without impacting gaming. While the Intel 7600k (or any i5 and even i7 at a higher point) is still awesome it hits the wall in many games which is where you can encounter a slight stutter and is much harder worked at all times than a Ryzen SKU of your choice. Many reviewers have been baffled by this phenomenon but i feel they are overlooking the obvious and some do not even report the added "smoothness" many others see, however that would be because many professional reviewers use fresh installs of the OS and make sure no commonly run background programs and processes are used or running at the same time so as to gain maximum performance for comparison from architecture to architecture.

So don't help lol. You have a thing on your browser with an x, it in the top right corner. With a device called a mouse you can navigate to it, left click and totally not have to see a stupid post

While this not my first time it obviously is the OP's. So what he makes mistakes like every human. so what you have seen many of these threads? we all have. But instead of being constructive you go strait arse hole. There is the rub mates. You make it about you, not about helpimg because you want to act like selfish children without the least bit of empathy. sad really

i read the entire thread. he is imho being a big arse D. there is no need to treat people disrespectfully. secondly he is wrong about average OC results. i have probably de lidded 6 7700k's and built 50 7700k systems a 5.2 is quite high. is the OP's stable? who knows. is that any reason to act the fool. nope is the fellow who is acting the fool the reason everyone dislikes asking questions or being on the net? yep

you are being a D. Truth

the biggest, baddest, most expensive monster water cooling there is of course. seriously id expect 3.8-3.9 out of air and 4.0-4.1 out of a h115i aio

one thing people are not thinking about with the 1700 vs 7700k is gamers do not "just game" in general. with fresh installs of windows and all background programs not installed the 7700k in almost all games has a few frames on the 1700. but i do not game that way. i generally have 40+ tabs open 2 voips, a few projects, game recording from time to time, background music many times, and on boring grinds netflix as well, or youtube, on another monitor. while i have not transitioned to the 1700 yet testing on rigs i have built shows me that ryzen fits my play style better. But low and behold i still game on a barbaric 75 fps monitor so it wouldn't see a difference even if i didn't have a messy PC

ryzen 1600 6core 12 thread $220.00 usd or ryzen 1700 8 core 16 thread 330.00 usd. both are very good for your use case

a 1600 and 1600x are the same chip and perform identical given the same clocks. that said we have not been able to achieve any faster than 2933 ram on any 1600 to date though this is due to MB support imho. both chips depending on the lottery overclock from 3.8-4.0 with so,e overclocking up to 4.1. in my opinipn there is no reason for a 1600x to exist but i recommend overclocking sooo ymmv

this is a wallet decision. both are good and both will serve the purpose. one will go somewhat beyond the other for productivity. if money is not an issue go big or go home, if your budget is limited and it will be the difference between a better GPU or other system components and you can live with reduced productivity on large scale projects then by all means feel secure with a 1600, both will make you happy

even sitting an old cooler on top of the test CPU with some paste will help. does not have to be fixed down, but what you are thinking is risky. old junk coolers can be found everywhere mate. save yourself some potential heartache

you want my opinion so ill give it to you. no, it is not worth it, you will achieve very little extra overclock if any at all with your reduced temps (most likely nothing) and your current temps are not likely to shorten the lifespan of your chip. that said you wouldn't be here if it wasn't gnawing at your soul like a beaver on a stump so take a deep breath, steady your nerves, and play whack a mole with your 300 dollar CPU. SHHHHUSH! I'm hunting wabbits. which is exactly what you are doing

since you already have a very good PC you may want to consider if an upgrade is worth your money. if you are unhappy with the amount of time it takes atm then rendering will be faster on a ryzen but not so much that i would personally bother to switch unless the machine made me money or i just want to cause tech makes me happy. certainly ther are small trade offs with a 7700k to Ryzen system. either of these CPU's should be considered amazing.

Basically there are 3 cpu skus that matter in Ryzen. the 1400 4 core 8 thread (not recommended for you as you spend a lot of time on your PC it seems), 1600 6 core 12 thread, and 1700 8 core 16 thread. all are capable of roughly the same 3.8- 4.0 overclock atm and perform very closely. all are the same chip binned down. the 1700 at $330.00 will obviously be the best at what you are using a PC for but the 1600 at $220.00 is not far behind and certainly ahead of any but outrageously priced intel chips for your needs.

i only recommend Ryzen for anything below or above a 7700k atm. honestly there are ways to do mostly anything on mostly any cpu and you will be content with any modern cpu. as for gaming unless you are high refresh rate gaming such as 144hz 1080p then you will never miss the few extra frames the i7 can provide but you can certainly take advantage of the extra processing power the Ryzen offers under workloads and if you run many processes while gaming