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I actually have two, so if you can't get one I'm honestly happy to sell it to you if you're located in the US currently for well below MSRP, dm me if you want it

Essentially what I have except I'm not touching that SSD lol, just a little concerned about the 4070 Ti, now a $660 card with 12GB of VRAM...

It's a different bundle, it's a sort of rare x13 variant with a 3050 instead of a 3050 ti, and with the 6850m XT xgm.

Yeah, I'm well acquainted with optimising settings, but with VRAM usage trending upwards I don't want to be stuck with what's barely enough right now, 12GB doesn't seem futureproof at all, I have 12GB right now and routinely max it out, and I don't even use gimmicky ultra settings. I just feel angry that NVidia's entire lineup seems to be driving me towards the 4070 Ti Super by gimping the VRAM on previous cards. I'd like to buy an AMD gpu - hell it's the reason I have one now - but FSR just sucks so hard. Is 12GB really enough?

Budget (including currency): $1200 give or take. Slightly flexible Country: USA Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: BG3, Jedi Survivor, Horizon Forbidden West, Alan Wake 2, Other details (4k 120 with upscaling and FG) Making another post about this since the situation's changed. I have a Flow x13 laptop with an XG Mobile GPU - RX 6850M XT, identical to a desktop 6700xt. Even used, it'll fetch me $900, so I'm planning on replacing it with a PC. I have a 4k 120Hz OLED TV that I use as my monitor, because I got it for $200 new through a pricing error, and want to make the most of it. I also need it to be as small as possible - currently considering the Fractal Ridge. I live in a tiny NYC studio apartment. At what poing is a GPU simply too weak for 4k? I'm was considering the RTX 4070 Ti Super when it was on sale for $750, but now that it isn't, I'm seeing a 4070 Super for $575 and that looks more tempting, especially since I plan on using DLSS Performance+medium settings (high textures), but 12GB of VRAM in 2024 is worrying. Is it enough? An upgrade to a 4070 Ti Super is another $200 Here's my build so far. All Amazon because I have their credit card and get 5% back and easy returns. PCPartPicker Part List CPU: Intel Core i5-12400F 2.5 GHz 6-Core Processor ($132.99 @ Amazon) Motherboard: ASRock Z690M-ITX/ax Mini ITX LGA1700 Motherboard ($139.99 @ Amazon) Memory: TEAMGROUP T-Create Expert 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 CL18 Memory ($55.99 @ Amazon) Storage: Crucial P3 Plus 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive ($117.99 @ Amazon) Video Card: Zotac Twin Edge GeForce RTX 4070 SUPER 12 GB Video Card ($589.99 @ Amazon) Case: Fractal Design Ridge PCIe 4.0 Mini ITX Tower Case ($145.99 @ Amazon) Power Supply: SeaSonic FOCUS SGX (2021) 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular SFX Power Supply ($111.91 @ Amazon) Total: $1294.85 Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-04-23 00:05 EDT-0400

I'm just gonna say that if you wanna save money, game at 1080p and $500 will build you a good enough PC for gaming and streaming. This is $600 and includes a 100hz freesync monitor, a mechanical keyboard, and a gaming mouse. It's more than enough for 1080p. The money you've decided to spend is 4k gaming PC money, which is an unnecessary luxury if you're trying to save. PCPartPicker Part List CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 4500 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor ($77.78 @ Amazon) Motherboard: MSI B450M-A PRO MAX II Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard ($67.00 @ MSI) Memory: Silicon Power GAMING 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory ($32.97 @ Amazon) Storage: Mushkin Tempest 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 3.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive ($56.99 @ Amazon) Video Card: ASRock Challenger OC Arc A580 8 GB Video Card ($164.99 @ Newegg) Case: BGears b-Masstige MicroATX Mini Tower Case ($44.99 @ Newegg) Power Supply: MSI MAG A550BN 550 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($49.00 @ MSI) Monitor: MSI PRO MP243X 23.8" 1920 x 1080 100 Hz Monitor ($79.99 @ Best Buy) Keyboard: Asceny One RGB Wired Mini Keyboard ($19.98 @ Amazon) Mouse: EVGA X20 Wired/Bluetooth/Wireless Optical Mouse ($22.99 @ Amazon) Total: $616.68 Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-04-22 23:38 EDT-0400

Yeah I have a 6850m XT right now which is a 6700xt and I use FSR and AFMF. It's not good, like visibly not good. I use XeSS whenever I can. AMD also doesn't have a competitor to NVidia Reflex. DLSS Framegen+reflex has input lag similar to framegen off. AMD it always adds LOADS of input lag.

I know the 7900XTX is 20% faster for the same money. Unfortunately the frame gen on AMD right now is either not great through FSR 3, or really not great through AMD Radeon Software. Upside it works on every game, downside it isn't very good. I'm gonna be running at medium settings with high textures almost always. Benchmarks are maxed out (even though they don't look better).

I didn't get one in the box, I bought the XG mobile bundle Yes. This is 'Eco mode'. A full day at school of light use for me. 50% brightness + eco mode = around 8 hours. It's built tough, not far off from tablet standards as a convertible. I've dropped it while in a bag with zero padding. No issues at all, not even a dent.

There's a pretty huge difference between XeSS for me in Hogwarts Legacy and Horizon Forbidden West. I have no choice but to pixel peep because I'm on a 48" 4k OLED screen and I'm 2.5 feet away from it lol, it's more noticeable than at traditional display sizes. There's the frame generation too. AMD has AFMF for all games but it's not very good and adds a troubling amount of input lag and doesn't have software to negate it, while NVidia has lower in put lag and reflex. There's talk that Intel is implementing AI frame generation into the next XeSS and will have lower input lag than either of them, but that's pretty far out and it's a bit of a gamble to get an AMD GPU and hope for that.

Sis you're tripping if you think there's little difference between a 6700xt and a 7900xtx

No performance difference, MASSIVE image quality difference. FSR uses a sharpening algorithm, and doesn't use any machine learning. If I were to rate them 1-5 in terms of image quality with 5 being native. FSR 1.0: 1/5 (might as well not use any upscaling) FSR 2.x: 2/5 (Good, but lots of artefacting, oversharpening, TERRIBLE flickering!) XeSS 1.2: 3/5 (Less flickering, some overall softness, inconsistent AA, moving objects have huge trails) Xess 1.3: 3.5/5 (Flickering reduced more, better AA, no trails, but a little softer) DLSS 2.x: 4/5 (Sharp but ghosting issues, weird smearing on slow-moving objects) DLSS 3.x: 4.5/5 (almost no issues, especiallyt in 3.7) FSR 2.0 is useable, XeSS 1.3 is good, DLSS 3.xx is amazing. With the correct amount of sharpening and ultra textures, 1080p internal upscaled to 4k looks indistinguishable to native during gameplay. In terms of raw raster performance, the 7900XTX is 20% faster than the 4070 Ti Super for a similar price. But the upscalers on offer are SO far apart.

I play on a 48" LG C2 OLED (4k 120hz) but I only sit 2.5 feet from it. For all intents and purposes, it is a monitor. 1080p looks like trash on a 48 inch display. Before anyone asks why I'm doing this, I got it for $200 through a Best Buy pricing error.

Not spending $2k on an eGPU locked into a shitty ecosystem. I could outperform the $2,000 4090 XGM with a $1200 PC. And yeah, it's a 150w 4080. Does 20k on Time Spy and is generally okay but not worth $2,000. If it was $1300 there would be no debate honestly, because it doesn't have the weird disconnection issues. I edited it for clarity but I'm selling the XG Mobile and building a pC with the money. I can get $900 for it in a heartbeat and put in $400 of my own towards a PC and the only compromise is size. I don't notice a difference between high and ultra textures fwiw. I've pixel peeped at like 12 AAA titles.

Well I also have the idiotic ambition to run games at 4k 120fps (I have a very nice display lol and want to make full use of it) so native resolution is out of the question and frame generation will be necessary, even though I run everything at medium with high textures. FSR is REALLY far behind DLSS, to the point where DLSS Performance outperforms FSR Quality at 4k, and XeSS 1.3 while impressive and easy to mod into any game, doesn't have any frame generation. AFMF is terrible. And honestly, XeSS is better than FSR but isn't as good as DLSS. Is it really that much of a non-issue? Right now the 4070 Ti Super and the 7900XTX can both be had for $800ish, and for indications of raster performance, score 24k and 30k on time spy respectively.

How? A 7900XTX is almost 3 times faster. It gets around 31,000 in time spy, a 6700xt manages 12,000 on a good day.

Currently using a 6850M XT eGPU with my Flow X13 laptop. It is a desktop 6700xt and performs exactly the same as one, and does okay at 4k, running most games at high 60fps with FSR. But it has a bunch of issues, and I'm going to just build a PC instead. That said, I'm not super satisfied with FSR, it's substandard upscaling and while it's a lot better than nothing, it doesn't hold a candle to DLSS. That said, XeSS 1.3 is amazing, works on all GPUs, and this makes me think... I had a $1300 budget for a build, and I can get a WHOLE lot more GPU for my money with AMD (7900 XTX, $800), than NVidia (4070 Ti Super, $800) in terms of raster performance. I intend to use heavy upscaling and frame generation to hit my 4k 120fps target, and DLSS is still by far the best looking upscaler. However, Intel looks to be catching up. So... What should I get? Hedging my bets.

I have one, been using it since November. I actually had 2, and sold one to a close friend two days ago. We both love it. I'll go through some pros and cons. PROS + Lightest dGPU laptop maybe ever. It weighs about 1.3kg and is tiny. + 12 inch form factor with a 13.4" screen because of the 16x10 aspect ratio. + Really fast CPU, the 6900HS has no business being in something this small. + RTX 3050 is actually a capable 1080p gaming GPU even at 40w, thanks to DLSS upscaling. + 2-in-1 with a great screen. If 'not OLED' isn't a shortcoming, then this display has none. Touch integration is solid. + Doesn't actually run hot. If you're concerned about heat, you can set it to lower powr modes. On batter, on silent and eco (dGPU only) mode it's not even noticeably warm under load. Granted the clocks are severely limited but I notice no difference in every tasks or light productivity. + Battery life is surprisingly good. + G-Helper is an AMAZING alternative to Armory Crate and works WAY better to help control the laptop. + Option to use it as a desktop replacement when paired with the XG Mobile eGPU, which I am doing. I can play any triple-A title at 4k 60FPS with the 6850M XT external GPU and some upscaling. + Surprisingly decent speakers for a thin-and-light. + Fans are not that loud, even in turbo. CONS (minor) - The trackpad is really small and there is a known QC issue which causes it to wobble. This can be fixed by just bending a tab behind the trackpad, and is permanently fixed in the 2023 version which I believe is a better laptop overall, and it has a 4060 which is way better. - Some users experience an issue with waking the laptop from sleep mode, but this is caused by the ASUS Bloatware, and a clean windows install is recommended, as well as replacing Armory Crate with G-Helper. - No Windows Hello facial recognition. There is a fingerprint sensor, but I don't like them, so I just use a PIN. - While the XG Mobile external GPU is nice, the one most people get - the AMD one - is riddled with weird bugs and requires frequent troubleshooting. I'm selling my eGPU to build a PC because of the hassle.

I'm going DDR4 because it's literally $60 more on a motherboard otherwise, and also a lot more on RAM. I'm probably going to go with the micro center bundle of the 12600kf, an MSI Z790 board, and 16GB of DDR4 for $250, trying to find a small case to cram it into. The RAM kit they have is 2x8gb 3200mhz fwiw.

So while considering going up to DDR5 for my build, I've been hearing a lot about Gear 1, Gear 2, why some RAM kits will work and some won't. It seems like a lot, and I'd rather just have someone tell me what 2x16GB kit to buy. Here's the rest of my build. PCPartPicker Part List CPU: Intel Core i5-12600KF 3.7 GHz 10-Core Processor ($153.66 @ Amazon) Motherboard: ASRock Z690M-ITX/ax Mini ITX LGA1700 Motherboard ($134.99 @ Newegg) Storage: Crucial P3 Plus 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive ($124.99 @ B&H) Video Card: Gigabyte WINDFORCE OC GeForce RTX 4070 Ti SUPER 16 GB Video Card ($799.99 @ Newegg) Case: Fractal Design Ridge PCIe 4.0 Mini ITX Tower Case ($125.79 @ Amazon) Power Supply: SeaSonic FOCUS SGX (2021) 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular SFX Power Supply ($109.99 @ Amazon) Total: $1449.41 Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-04-16 22:15 EDT-0400

Yeah I've been an FSR user since launch, on my GTX 1060 laptop that I used till late 2023 (yes really) and now my 6850m xt (desktop 6700xt). ... Way too many issues. It's better than nothing but just barely, to the point where I use XeSS whenever available. The P3 isn't a case it's a tempered glass side panel with on a slab lol and it's thick. I'm looking for something skinny, like the Fractal Ridge but for ATX. The SFFtime P-ATX or N-ATX would be perfect for me and I would gladly spend $200 on them but they're sold out with no news on new stock...

I guess unlimited airflow lmao but not what I was going for. I was going for either the SFFtime P-ATX look or the Fractal Ridge. Keep in mind oonly the P-ATX takes an ATX motherboard, the ridge is ITX only.

Thanks I appreciate it. Any leads on a thin, white case that takes an ATX motherboard? It's going on the wall of my studio apartment, price doesn't matter.

I can't change a lot of it, fuck it a 2TB SSD is fine but I'm locked in to that micro center bundle lol, 12600kf plus ram and decent Z790 motherboard for $250 is fucked. That's why the prices are that cheap. Also saving a little room for a thin, white ATX case that won't look too obtrusive on the wall of my tiny studio apartment.

Hi, upgrading from an XG mobile eGPU to a full gaming PC, and I've got a great deal on a motherboard, CPU, and RAM bundle at micro center. Catch is... It's ATX. I live in a small studio apartment in NYC and will be mounting this PC to the wall, so I need it to be as slim as possible. The SFFTime N-ATX and P-ATX cases are only 81mm wide which is insane, I don't need them to be that crazy, but the skinnier the better. What's out there? Hopefully below $150. GPU I need to fit is 305mm, but in the worst case I can get a dual fan 261mm version, it's just $50 more) Intended components - 12600KF MSI Z790 Pro Wifi RTX 4070 Ti Super