Morgan MLGman

Considering that the 12GB 3060 is supposed to cost €330 in late February? I wouldn't really say so.

I don't think so. If this was the case and these cards were meant for OEMs, then why mention the prices at all? It's obvious no OEM ever paid this kind of money for a 2060, let alone when it's a last-gen product.

Well, you'll probably be able to order one for the MSRP at launch day. When you're going to actually receive it is a completely different story.

I'm still waiting on an ASUS TUF 3080 that I ordered exactly for MSRP about 20 minutes after they went on sale. 4 months have passed already 😛

Considering that the 12GB 3060 is supposed to cost €330 in late February? I wouldn't really say so.

I don't think so. If this was the case and these cards were meant for OEMs, then why mention the prices at all? It's obvious no OEM ever paid this kind of money for a 2060, let alone when it's a last-gen product.

I don't think so. If this was the case and these cards were meant for OEMs, then why mention the prices at all? It's obvious no OEM ever paid this kind of money for a 2060, let alone when it's a last-gen product.

Considering that the 12GB 3060 is supposed to cost €330 in late February? I wouldn't really say so.

Considering that the 12GB 3060 is supposed to cost €330 in late February? I wouldn't really say so.

Considering that the 12GB 3060 is supposed to cost €330 in late February? I wouldn't really say so.

Adding to all that, in the article he doesn't even mention increased shipping costs, additional costs related to buying protective equipment like masks, disinfectants etc., limits on shipping due to priority for shipping medical supplies and so on.

What's more to consider, is that many of the factories closed down completely at some point due to COVID, and "restarting" production takes a lot of time for some of those, I've read info that it may take 3-4 months to even get back to 75-80% of previous production capacity after shutting down.

Adding to all that, in the article he doesn't even mention increased shipping costs, additional costs related to buying protective equipment like masks, disinfectants etc., limits on shipping due to priority for shipping medical supplies and so on.

What's more to consider, is that many of the factories closed down completely at some point due to COVID, and "restarting" production takes a lot of time for some of those, I've read info that it may take 3-4 months to even get back to 75-80% of previous production capacity after shutting down.

Considering that the 12GB 3060 is supposed to cost €330 in late February? I wouldn't really say so.

Considering that the 12GB 3060 is supposed to cost €330 in late February? I wouldn't really say so.

For the purposes of this post, when I talk about GPU, I mean just the chip, not the assembled card.
 
In a quick look, these GPUs were made on TSMC 12nm process. If you buy into the fab constraint or unproven yield speculation, then re-introducing a product made on older process could be a way around that.
 
There are multiple problems with that. Even if we assume TSMC has the capacity to process an order immediately, the time it takes between starting to make a GPU chip and it coming out of a factor is somewhere on the order of a month or two. Anyone more familiar with chip making give a better timescale for that? So depending on when nvidia made this decision, there would be that much time before we see GPUs. Then these would have to be passed to AIBs who then turn them into cards that we can actually use. More lead time on that, assuming they have the other components available. Not a given either, with shortages reported on related components. Igor's lab recently posted the below on that topic:
https://www.igorslab.de/en/more-details-and-backgrounds-on-the-scarcity-why-graphic-cards-are-so-hard-to-buy-and-manufacture/
 
So I'm not sure what to make of this. It kinda makes sense in some ways, but not others. Are the other components used on Turing gen cards that much different from Ampere, and better available? Logically the AIBs will have to make substantially the same designs they already have. These are unlikely to be completely new designs.

Considering that the 12GB 3060 is supposed to cost €330 in late February? I wouldn't really say so.

Considering that the 12GB 3060 is supposed to cost €330 in late February? I wouldn't really say so.

Well, you'll probably be able to order one for the MSRP at launch day. When you're going to actually receive it is a completely different story.

I'm still waiting on an ASUS TUF 3080 that I ordered exactly for MSRP about 20 minutes after they went on sale. 4 months have passed already 😛

Considering that the 12GB 3060 is supposed to cost €330 in late February? I wouldn't really say so.

Not even close, PCIe 3.0 8x is still enough, especially for mobile GPUs which are slower than their desktop counterparts.

I was trying to find out where did they get this information, but they only say that they got it from an unnamed notebook OEM that they work with. Believe what you want ¯\_( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)_/¯
 
From actual tests that I've seen, the first real drop in performance occurs once you go down to PCIe 3.0 x4/PCIe 2.0 x8. Even then it was only around 10%, but I haven't seen tests done using the latest generation GPUs. I personally don't expect to see any meaningful differences though.
 
Well, it is a fairly known website in Poland. But as I said above, they claim an OEM that they work with told them about this. No proof of any kind 😉

Not even close, PCIe 3.0 8x is still enough, especially for mobile GPUs which are slower than their desktop counterparts.

Not even close, PCIe 3.0 8x is still enough, especially for mobile GPUs which are slower than their desktop counterparts.

Not even close, PCIe 3.0 8x is still enough, especially for mobile GPUs which are slower than their desktop counterparts.

Not even close, PCIe 3.0 8x is still enough, especially for mobile GPUs which are slower than their desktop counterparts.

Not even close, PCIe 3.0 8x is still enough, especially for mobile GPUs which are slower than their desktop counterparts.