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Wondering whether should I put my card up on sale for miners to buy... An R9 Fury mines faster than most cards on the market atm due to its compute power, considering that a used RX 480 is more expensive here in Poland than a used GTX 980Ti by around 50$, I could make a lot of profit because estimated price of my card would be around 520$ (Note that in October 2016 I paid for the card 385$ brand-new from the store), while a used RX 480 costs 470$ and a used 980Ti costs 415$...

 

Theoretically, I could wait using my iGPU for Vega and then make a decision on what card to buy.

  1. ivan134

    ivan134

    Thinking of doing the same, but closer to when Vega releases. The problem is the rumor of low availability for Vega at launch. I'm also pretty sure miners will want Vega too.

  2. PCGuy_5960

    PCGuy_5960

    @herman mcpootis Sold his R9 Fury and got a 980 Ti. 

    BTW, I would consider the 1080 as well, if you can afford it....

    I wouldn't wait for Vega TBH, they will probably be sold out withing a few days and then the price will be inflated because of miners :/

  3. Morgan MLGman

    Morgan MLGman

    @ivan134@deXxterlab97 I only wonder what price should I put on my Fury Nitro... There are none used or new here, all sold out :o

    The only thing that can help me estimate the price are the prices of 480s and 580s here which are RIDICULOUS (almost as much as a brand-new 1070)...

     

    Logically, the card is a higher-end one and mines faster than both RX 580 and RX 480 as Fiji is much more compute-oriented, I'd expect it to be more expensive but by how much?

     

    @PCGuy_5960 Yeah, if I sold my current card even for the same price used 480s go now in Poland, I suppose I could add some money to get a 1080 ^_^

  4. Coaxialgamer

    Coaxialgamer

    As someone who has looked around for mining cards , the fury's power consumption makes it a no-go .

    The main reason the 580/570's are being bought up is because of the low power and good undervolting capabilities .

     

  5. PCGuy_5960

    PCGuy_5960

    @Morgan MLGman Nice, get a 1080 then! JOIN ME xD

  6. PCGuy_5960

    PCGuy_5960

    @deXxterlab97 Yep, the 580 isn't really power efficient

  7. Coaxialgamer

    Coaxialgamer

    not really . at stock 580 and 1080 consume about the same and perform similarly in mining , BUT the 580 can be undervolted like there's no tomorrow , drastically reducing power consumption . And even with the shortage , it can still be found cheaper than the 1080 .

  8. xAcid9

    xAcid9

    you can undervolt 1080 too btw.

  9. SpaceGhostC2C

    SpaceGhostC2C

    In the end, it depends on whether the market is pricing the second hand Fury accordingly. Certainly worth checking out for used Furys for sale around you.

  10. Coaxialgamer

    Coaxialgamer

    @xAcid9 Sure , but not to the same extent , especially considering it's already fairly power-limited .

     

  11. Morgan MLGman

    Morgan MLGman

    @PCGuy_5960 I seriously might in the future ^^ What brands do you recommend to look at besides EVGA and MSI? I don't like Gigabyte so let's skip that one :P

    @Coaxialgamer Yeah, but my Fury does -96mV at stock clocks which makes it draw around as much power as a GTX 980 so I guess it's not as bad? :P

    @xAcid9 Can you? You couldn't do that on Maxwell without modding the BIOS.

    @SpaceGhostC2C Can't do that... There are none available ^_^ There were around 5-6 Fury cards always on sale until the mining craze started :/

  12. PCGuy_5960

    PCGuy_5960

    I would not recommend MSI TBH :P EVGA is the best, but the ASUS Strix is also very good (but also more expensive)

  13. PCGuy_5960

    PCGuy_5960

    @deXxterlab97 Talking 'bout 1080s :P The Strix 1080 is pretty freakin cool (bad pun, I know, I know)

  14. Coaxialgamer

    Coaxialgamer

    @Morgan MLGman That's actually very good . How did you measure power ?

  15. Morgan MLGman

    Morgan MLGman

    @deXxterlab97 @PCGuy_5960 Yeah, 980Tis from ASUS STRIX were crappy... @i_build_nanosuits had one and it was neither cool nor quiet, but at least it OC'd well ^_^ But the 1000 series from ASUS seems good and the cooler looks nice so it's a viable option ^^

     

    @Coaxialgamer I didn't, I took it from this article: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/msi-afterburner-undervolt-radeon-r9-fury,4425.html

    Here's a graph: 13wcHey.png

    In The Witcher 3 & Thief, Watts/FPS are actually a bit better on the Fury when it was at -96mV so it's fairly close, considering its mining potential I suppose it's not such a bad card for the task? They went down from 289W of power at stock to 213W just by undervolting in MSI Afterburner :P

  16. Coaxialgamer

    Coaxialgamer

    That's an offset though . Absolute voltage is also important.

  17. Morgan MLGman

    Morgan MLGman

    @Coaxialgamer That's without any BIOS mods or anything, here's the voltage graph comparing stock and -96mV:m8wjpHO.png

    Quote from the article:

    Taking a closer look at the voltage, the first thing we see is what appears to be a giant contradiction. Comparing the red curve, which represents the results at the default target, to the blue curve, which represents the results for the adjusted target, we see that the 

    average voltage (VDDC) of 1.10V actually increases slightly to 1.12V! However, the 1.2V peaks drop to 1.1375V—extreme fluctuations in both directions are much smaller and the curve as a whole is smoother.

    Even though the voltage increased slightly, the average strength of the electric current decreased significantly, resulting in lower power consumption.

    Thoughts? This isn't my field of expertise so can you elaborate on that? :P

  18. PCGuy_5960

    PCGuy_5960

    @deXxterlab97 ASUS STRIX sucks, come at me bro! JK xD

  19. Coaxialgamer

    Coaxialgamer

    @Morgan MLGman I am not an expert either , but all cards have their own voltage curves . some chips might run at 1.2V stock , some at 1.1V etc .

    -96ùv being an offset of the default voltage , actual vcore could be anything.

    ideally you'd want to look at Voltage in gpuz or the like .

  20. Morgan MLGman

    Morgan MLGman

    @Coaxialgamer Yeah, that I know of. I was more asking about how the voltage relates to mining efficiency, isn't the power draw what should matter only? (meaning Hashrate/Watt)

  21. Coaxialgamer

    Coaxialgamer

    @Morgan MLGman Well , as a rule , power draw increases is the voltage squared , so an 8% reduction in voltage is about 16% reduction in power . It's not uncommon for miners to heavily undervolt and underclock their cards for better power efficiency . 580 being a refreshed 480 , both cards react similarly . Looking at polaris , it's fairly clear AMD pushed the architecture out of the energy efficiency sweetspot to increase performance , most likely they weren't happy with performance so they had to bump voltage and clocks . Polaris can be pretty damn efficient at  lower voltages .Remember that polaris 11 vs gtx 950  perf/w demo amd published 2 years go? Many accused AMD of fabricating the results , but they were actually verified and true , but at a lower 0.85V .   

  22. Herman Mcpootis

    Herman Mcpootis

    yup, i listed my fury for around the same price as a used 980ti without warranty($420 sgd), got lots of replies in a few days and eventually got it sold for $410. then bought a g1 gaming 980ti for $450 for warranty. might as well list it amd try it out, not like you're gonna lose money if you do try it and it fails.

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