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Hello, the smartest choice you can make depends on the country you live in as the products relative prices vary a lot. It would be great if you tell us your country and budget! with that said in the australian market rn. The smatest cpus to buy in tiers are as follows 5600x(beats the 11600k in value and mobo is marginally cheaper as well for it) 10600kf(prices really cheap on old gen then 10400f(dirt cheap good enough for gaming, but it is better to get the 10600kf if you can afford it.) to choose your cpu, start with the first one and go down based on your budget. Honestly 10600kf is good enough for gaming rn. I didnt recommend a 8 core cpu because I dont think you need it. And in the distant future you can sell the cpu and upgrade aecond hand to a 8 core cpu when it is needed 4 years from now? the motherboard choice REALLY depends on your country. So cant tell you smth. You sort by price and then going higher in price you pinpoint 2 different types of boards to make your decision: First you find the board with the best mosfets on the cheapest price tier; and hope it is good enough to easily oc an 5600x. You can necessitate 4 ram slots depending on your upgrade path plans in this analysis. And then for the next tier you look for a board that has mosfets good enough to run a 5950x with acceptable temperatures stock. And you hit that point the cheapast you can. depending on you future upgrade plan you choose 1 of those 2. First one is generally the level you want. other types of motherboards you start looking at if you have specific requirements honestly but it doesnt sound like you do. Except potentially wanting wifi and bluetooth. İf that is the case you still do the same thing. I on the other hand prefer to get an aftermarket cheap dongle instead of buying a premiun for mobo. And you can carry the dongle forward(yaayy!!)

In the scenario you are describing, the only salvage you will be getting from this machine is the terrible motherboard and the terrible case. Which is worth about a 100 bucks. It isnt worth it as, the saving you will get of 100 dollars is deffinitely not worth it with the damage the bad motherboard will cause the performance and the case’s bad air flow will cause to your temps. For example temp perspective: terrible air flow case without a front grill: -30 points liquid cooling for 80-100 usd: +20 points result -10 points of bad cooling for 100 bucks invested in liquid cooling. furthermore, if you break apart that kind of a pc the second hand value tanks. Just sell that thing second hand for 400-450 bucks and you will be gold. If you salvage the case and mobo which is at most worth 90 bucks. The remainder items sell value individually will be around 200 bucks. You are losing money on that. (the figures are randomly generated to explain the main idea, do a market analysis to figure out the value of the system but I am sure my underlinin point wont change.) best regards.

reply to abıve: Weellll, the mobo bios may not support the newer generations and the mıbo may not have a bios update to support newer gen cpus. I think if he starts replacing cpus, it might actually be better to just throw out everything and start from scratch. So getting a 2nd 3rd gen ryzen is rizky business. Make sure to check bios updates on lenovo first. Opinion:ıf this pc is going to be worth stretching we should be able to build on what exists. If we replace psu and cpu, we are going to be left with the lwnovo shell of the computer which is a pretty meehh Other problems: I had an HP case like that and those guys attempted to stop upgrading by not having gpu pins coming out of the power supply and also by having proprietary psu mounting bracket so people cant switch cpus. Do check if that is the case solution: what I did at the time was to slap on 750 ti which drew its power from the pcie slot only. And I ıpgraded the ram to 16 gigs by adding one additional stick with the same speed and timings. suggestion: I suggest you get 1650 or a 1050 ti that doesnt need a cable from psu and upgrade your ram by adding one additional stick 16 gigs and call it a day. Give the cpu a bit of an oc and call it a day. The cpu may be insufficient to run 60 fps games. But if not that is the cheapest and easiest way out of this pickle. ıf you indeed can upgrade cpus might be worthwile to get something like second hand 2600 or a 3500x https://pcmecca.com/best-low-power-graphics-cards-without-external-power/

I derped and didnt notice the 460/560 difference. Thanks for spotting it here is the updated reasonable fart build. The price difference is negligible https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/MTwWgt ıt also makes sense to splurge another 60 aud to get to an overclockable z590 mobo while getting a 10600k. Will post that here as well z590 version https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/6TWk2V

Cut down on the cpu to a 5600x, combine that money with the 200 usd then you can definitely get a good 4k screen

@JPN Could you update us on what build you end up buying. Me curious

Behold! Stingy fart build: (monitor included) https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/CgDWgt the version with a better yet still cheaper cpu. I will call it the reasonable fart build: https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/M2qFRT honestly I would get the reasonable fart build out of all 3 options point of note: ı suggest you pay more and get a curved 32 inch. A flat 32 inch is very annoying. I just put it there because of the sting. And also; I havent used that panel myself and I havent looked at its pro reviews. On partpicker it looked okay. Point: double check the screen

This is a very solid build; I have some minor points to raise about it though. 1. I take it that you wont be overclocking even mediocrely. For this reason you could get a cheaper motherboard and also not buy an aftermarket cooler. Just use the one 5600x comes with. With new generation of mobos and cpus coming; I think that is more reasonable for someone who wont OC. If I were to buy an aftermarket cooler I would instead buy the arctic freezer esports duo model. Better cooling for the money. 2. maybe you could buy a cheaper cpu if you are being stingy. 5600x is the golden standard of cpus right now. With the 6700xt you will be getting around 120 fps tops on apex legends. 60 fps on cyberpunk. Those numbers wont challenge the 5600x at all; so maybe you you could go for smth like a 10400f or a ryzen 3500x or 3600 instead. The 5600x will become relevant only when and if you have 240 hz screen. 3. You may not need a hdd storage, you can always get it later if you start running out of space. I never ever exceed my 1 tb of space on my computer. You can take that out. 4. I feel like we should also choose a monitor for you because it can REALLY make or brake the experience. It isnt only about the stats, the quality really matters. I dont know have lots of expertise on the subtle critical differences of monitors. But hardware unboxed aussie youtubers have sonre really great videos that will help you. ı will post the altered stingy sh*t build soon

Clearly your gpu is the bottleneck. I would get a 3060 ti or 3070 if I could but your budget is insufficient for any meaning full upgrade. Your best chance is to buy a 1080 or maaaybe 1070 ti second hand so it fits into your budget and actually is an upgrade. I think you can have it shipped internationally within eu so you arent linited to your own country for second hand stuff

The question of obsolescene has a 2 prong answer where we have to consider both the maximum core count utilised and ipc and clock developments of each core going forward. More cores dont help not becoming obsolete as seen by the example amd bulldozer cores. Clock speeds and ipc imho is the main driver of obsolescence. I believe 8 cores will be utilised by games in 2-3 years. Until then and currently 6 is what you need. But by the time 8 cores become necessary the clock speeds and ipc of your currently bought cpu will start to drag. I would get a terrible mobo and a 5600x with a stock cooler if I were to upgrade in 2 ish years when ddr5 becomes main stream. If I were to keep this for 4 ish years I would get the 5800x with a semi decent cooler that could take a mild oc. I dont think the 5800x is worth it though because you will need to buy a cooler and get a higher end mobo with better mosfets. this advice though completely disregarded your VM whatchama call it

Guys!! Obviously the screen is the answer. You can go for a 4k monitor that is 32 inches curved and is 75+ hz with that 3080 you are getting. Honestly if you are going to be only gaming and you arent playing competitive titles, than you are WASTİNG money on your cpu, just get a 5600x instead. maybe a different motherboard as well(I hate asus). With the saving from there get a 4k monitor. You will upgrade the pc before you need 8 cores anyways(4-5 years) the types of games you mentioned deffinitely needs a 4k monitor, pereferably the new high hertz ones

We also NEED to know what kind of work you will be doing with this computer. For example 64 gigs of ram may not be overkill for very specific render workloads to my knowledge.( 3 gb of ram per thread). If you are buying this for gaming ram would be overkill. İf you will be gaming I would suggest getting a 5600x cpu instead. Dont buy a 2080 ti unless you are buying it second hand. Just go find a 3070 if you can or a 3080 if you are rich! To my knowledge in europe 3070 is findable.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/TzdVxc cheaper version https://pcpartpicker.com/list/jyMtvf You could make this build about 75 usd cheaper by getting a lower quality thermaltake gold psu, getting half as much storage and by getting a 20 bucks cheaper mobo or even cheaper with a non gold psu(which is fine) but this is good amount of quality to shoot for. I got my 1660 ti gpu for 300 usd back in the day; prices now are crazy. I suggest getting any of the 1660 super or ti 1070/ti 1080 cards second hand to meet your budget. There are some good deals on 1070 1080s on e bay. You can also get the cpu and motherboard second hand, which is also the better move here I aimed for a 1440p 60 hz gaming experience in the the build. Honestly dont go for any gpu that is worse than a 1070 for example the 1650 btw, I put 0 effort into picking the better pc case in both builds. There are 3 cheap cooler master cases, pick whichever is better here are some second hand options. the point being, you can go ahead and hunt down an already built all in one pc. Their second hand value in total is less than individual parts, which is great for you. The below list are just some examples by no means constitutes the best selection https://www.ebay.com/itm/265137760168?hash=item3dbb7127a8:g:gC8AAOSwz7RghgCk https://www.ebay.com/itm/185016897932?hash=item2b13ddd18c:g:dRgAAOSwUjZhJtdc Cpu is terrible, graphics card is muy bueno. It is worth 600 bucks imho https://www.ebay.com/itm/185019264598?hash=item2b1401ee56:g:onEAAOSwsKVhKL9l https://www.ebay.com/itm/144174218544?hash=item219173fd30:g:~bMAAOSwJQRhKQXN DA BOMB

This build is pretty bad because of the overpriced mobo and subpar cpu combo. Gpus are craaazy expensive might be better to get a second hand 1080 than buying that terrible 1650. I will post a build when I can here

I dont think you need an aftermarket cooler if you arent going to overclcok and if you have a pc case with good airlflow( open grill front like msi 100r[budget airflow case]) The money you spend on cpu is very much dependent on what type games you want to play or applications you want to run. And this is a huge topic; I will try to sum it up like crazy: 1. You need a good cpu if: you want high frame rate competitive gaming(for 60 fps high graphics you go with a better gpu) or if you use cpu intensive design programs like autocad or some weird server applications where you manage large data sums with with compression. It is unlikely you fall into these categories, judging from your initial post. 5600x is overkill right now for a budget pc build that money is better spent on a better gpu or just saved for an upgrade 2 years down the line. The following cpus are all good choices, the best choice depends on the price of yhe mobo you are going to pair it with and their relative prices in comparison to each other in your region: 10400f, ryzen 3500x, 3600 these cpus arent future proof but future proof cpus are a lie. It is better to swap them out 2 years down the line. Am5 mobos with ddr5 rams are coming out in a year and that generation of cpus will have an ipc increase of 15% in a year or so. This new generation is what you want to buy and keep for 4-5 years. what I suggest is, you get your mobo, ram cpu and gpu second hand, use it for 2 years and then build a new pc. To save more money you can look into getting a 1660 ti gpu instead of a 2060. They arent radically different in performance. And get 10400f its mobo and ram second hand and you are golden. Just make sure the products work before you buy. Do check the prices of 3600 3500x. Do check fi you get more bang for your buck in your region, be it second hand or not