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1 hour ago, Nena360 said:

That depends on how easy AMD can get HBM2...

Eh, HBM2 wouldn't be the limiting factor for Navi as HBM2 is already in mass production and will only get better and better yeilds as time goes on, the 7nm production node would be the determining factor and possibly AMD having limited resources for chip design compared to Nvidia.

I would personally love to see what the Intel 14nm++ process could to the current crop of GPU's as Intels 14nm process is much better than anyone else's and equal or better to others new "10nm" processes.

3 minutes ago, Nena360 said:

I heard they were not worth it for mining are you sure? o3o

Navi will cost more and well Volta is also a option unless AMDs re-brand will have a nice price cut and its higher power consumption will mean the miners wont touch em!

We MIGHT see Navi by late 2018 but I would personally think 2019 based upon how late Vega is to the party. So... don't hold your breath for Navi.

Update:

"Now, GlobalFoundries is making a serious push of its own with early 7nm technology availability and volume production currently planned for the back half of 2018." via ExtremeTech.com

7nm in the last 6months of 2018 would IMO put Navi in early 2019.

4 minutes ago, nerdslayer1 said:

wait for a aftermarket cooler 

Agreed, IMO wait till the aftermarket options come out and pick the one that suits your style, performance and acoustic needs the best.

However, the VEGA reference board is still a very good board with a small cooler that most would label inadequate to deliver maximum performance that is both cool and quiet.

As gamers nexus has pointed out based upon the Size of the silicon chip, the cost of the HBM2, the interposer and the quality of the board components(such as vrm) AMD could very well be losing money or might be breaking even on sale cost vs parts cost on the 56 model.

22 minutes ago, Dietrichw said:

http://www.gamersnexus.net/news-pc/3023-aib-partners-to-gn-yes-vega-price-will-change

 

So the price increase is because the retailers can do whatever they want with pricing now.

I'm not sure that is an entirely accurate thing to say... AMD gave the retailers a rebate on the first stock of cards to encourage them to price at $499, now that that rebate is over the cards cost the retailers more than 499 and they will mark up as needed to msrp or higher if they like since AMD cannot force them to sell at a specific price.

So... The price increase is not solely because retailers can do whatever they want now but because AMD initially offered them a rebate to sell the cards below what is now the cost to the retailers to purchase the cards.

Reports out of OC UK indicate that Vega prices at launch may have been reduced introductory pricing for the first batch of cards delivered to retailers and we could see the prices jump $100 within as little as a few days.

Whether this report has any truth to it remains to be seen but would be incredibly bad marketing by AMD if proven to be true.

Link to the article: HERE

4 hours ago, ShadowTechXTS said:

Vega 64 Reference: $499

Vega 64 LE: $599

Vega 64 Liquid: $699

 

That's MSRP.

Newegg now has the Vega 64 reference card (air cooled non limited edition)up on their site for order in a few hours...

At $599

Link to promotion:

Here

In a breakthrough feat of engineering and human to technology interfacing Google has revealed a new form of auto correct "Utilizing advanced retinal scan and proprietary telepathic scanning technology" to help it's billions upon billions of users to ensure their thoughts are Google approved.

"New Google Technology Autocorrects Users’ Thoughts" article and details can be found:

Here

(I'm hoping everyone takes this satire with a good sense of humor and gets a good laugh out of it(I did))

IMO, based on performance the Vega 64 needs to be $499 to be competitive....

But the 1950X, they could price that at $1299 and still be competitive,

seems to me that if this is true then RTG needs to reevaluate their pricing.

The organization Judicial watch has sent a letter to California and 11 of its counties regarding its voter registration lists having more registered voters than eligible voters in the counties. 

"In the letter, Judicial Watch noted that Los Angeles County officials “informed us that the total number of registered voters now stands at a number that is a whopping 144% of the total number of resident citizens of voting age.” ''

The article can be found Here

Apparently their refusal to cooperate with the election integrity commission because:

1: they hate Trump

2: “it would only serve to legitimize the false and already debunked claims of massive voter fraud.” according to California Secretary of State Alex Padilla

Does anyone else get tired of California and Maxine Waters?

My personal opinion, Corsair ML120 Pro, quiet, excellent lighting style... it's a maglev fan for crying out loud.

Here

Yes, you can power 2 fans from 1 header with a fan header splitter.

Link to not the best example: here

28 minutes ago, ARikozuM said:

September? Someone said mid-August. 

 

I guess I'm fully voting the 1080 hybrid.

Great card, should provide very similar performance at potentially much lower power draw.

The inability to use freesync is a bummer though... but i'm still in the land of 60hz and vsync and i'm happy.

I would personally say no, my primary concern for myself being that liquid metal is conductive, and a GPU does not have an IHS like a CPU so any over application or runoff could potentially short out and therefore potentially destroy.

But I could be wrong about the likelihood of that happening.

2 minutes ago, Evolution90 said:

Buy a Fury... it's what i did.. it's faster.. and cheaper lol.

Lol but... but... dat 4Gb V-ram... that's not enough for 16k resolution! Or crazy ultra settings at lower resolutions!

Always something to be said for adjusting your settings to fit your card's capabilities... but it's easier to fuss and complain about someone's choice than do that.

2 minutes ago, Max_Settings said:

EVGA Hybrid or FTW3

I agree with this for the most part...

IMO, get the card that is best fit for your case(dimensions, and cooler style), that you like the looks of but more than those two, The one that best fits your budget. No matter which card you get they're all going to perform within 10% or so of one another and that factor is mostly because of Cooling performance.

I personally choose to go with a quality USED card whenever I can,

My 1080Ti is of the Founders variety

It was bought used for $600 about 2 months ago

I then installed my (already owned) EVGA hybrid cooler and sold my previous GTX1080

It now runs cool(mid 60C under heavy load)

It boosts to between 2000Mhz and 2012Mhz after a few minutes of usage and is unfortunately bound primarily by a low Max power limit(though voltage limits wouldn't be far behind)

So, in the end, I have a cheaper than list, cool and quiet chip that happens to be a slight under performer when it comes to overclocking... but for a 1080Ti 2Ghz and up is pretty good.

5 minutes ago, AnonymousGuy said:

Pretty much what we've known for several years: mounting pressure matters more than the thermal paste.  I've been using a big 50g tube of GC-Electronics white paste on everything for years.   Cost me $6 and lasts a thousand applications.

 

Thermal paste only matters if you're doing bare silicon mounting with your heatsink or waterblock.  Total thermal transfer rate is a function of the weighted average of thermal conductivity and material thickness, and if you have an IHS taking up 99% of the stack thickness then the paste itself being 1% of the stack won't matter.  If you have no IHS, the paste becomes ~100% of the thickness and then it matters a lot more.

You've likely heard this many times before... but i couldn't help but smiling and laughing a bit when I saw in your list at the bottom of your post:

On the Shelf: 5960X, 7700K @ 5.3, Gigabyte Z270 Gaming 9., Zotac GTX 560Ti AMP custom BIOS

The GTX 560Ti is great! Just seems so out of place and unexpected... like a nautical cruise ship horn on a honda civic... its just not what you were expecting.

1 minute ago, revsilverspine said:

No mayo? No toothpaste? NO MAYO?!?

There is toothpaste present in the roundup... it came last.

Hi all,

I feel as though the forum tends to see a decent number of questions regarding thermal paste:

Which ones are the best?

How do I apply it?

What about Liquid metals?

What about all the factors I didn't even know existed?

Toms Hardware Guide did a pair of large reviews several years ago and the results of which determined my personal choice of thermal paste being Noctua NT-H1 due to a combination cost and performance.

Well, The guide has been updated and now showcases many newer products and still contains a great guide to give anyone a shot at picking a good product and applying it correctly.

The article can be found: HERE

I'm 31 and I still game, not nearly as frequently or in amounts as large as when I was 18-22. I was big into vanilla WoW back then, and would have an interest if I had 4-6 hours a day to play but now I prefer the time with my wife and kids with some occasional gaming after they're asleep, preferably something with a great story(Witcher 3, walking dead, Mass Effect 1-3, Starcraft) and good action whether that be FPS, RPG, or Strategy.

"Vega Frontier Edition performs between a 1070 and 1080"

Wait for RX Vega they said

Wait for Drivers they'll say

Give the Drivers 6 months to improve/mature they'll say

But HBM2 is better they'll say

But the Compute is better! they'll say

But if you undervolt it!... they'll say

Nice! Like everything you have there!

IMO, it still seems odd to say that's ITX, I think of ITX as being primarily focused on being small, and that case just seems... medium sized(I think of ATX as large and Full ATX as stupid big)

2 hours ago, Abyss Gaming said:

Vega is within the next few weeks.

LOL, i'm not trying to be cynical but that made me laugh a bit. While yes it is "technically" next gen, unfortunately it appears it will not carry next gen performance for AMD.

2 hours ago, rye10516 said:

With the gpu shortage they just have to make more cards and it's free money. But what if they're not doing that cause next gen cards are coming soon?

The GPU shortage is threatening to be over now or soon.

AMD and Nvidia both had their stockpiles drained.

VEGA will reportedly be a low volume(16,000 units possibly?) product due to HBM2 availibility(rumor) and likely a low(er) margin product for AMD due to the higher production costs associated with HBM, interposer, chip size to performance ratio and vrm components (compared to NVIDIA's GTX1080).

6 hours ago, Donut417 said:

The youth of today are not very smart. So I would say they would go up to the van. 

I think I understand what you're saying but would add some more specifics to differentiate between a few things

Information is different from Intelligence which is different from Wisdom

In our world today, we have a plethora of information available to nearly everyone

Some have the Intelligence to understand the information

Very few have the Wisdom to know what it means and how to use it

So what would say is that Wisdom(smart as you say)

can be taught by those who have it (grandparents and parents mostly)

can be gained by experience followed by contemplation and thought to understand the experience

Wisdom is needed to make wise choices and in our society that is information loaded/Heavily distracted/media agenda biased reporting leaves us with information for all, experience for few and wisdom for even fewer since we can't go more than 5 minutes without a screen in front of our faces or spend time thinking/reading/talking with others about anything meaningful (media consumption does NOT involve major thinking).

IMO: in western society we've mostly replaced wisdom with Entitlement, which is especially well seen in a parenting world where kids get whatever they want at no cost to them, they then grow up and demand that their new parent(the government) implement whatever the popular flavor of the week social policy is and give them everything they want through new laws, regulations and taxes.

241 years ago our founders(in the U.S.) had ability to write the most wisdom infused governmental plan in the history of the world

241 years after that our country's people and government are marching hard towards replacing wisdom and freedom with entitlement and regulation

Soooo... what i'm saying is that lack of Wisdom is a direct product of the societal norms now taking over where we are teaching our kids very little, providing everything, never disciplining, and trusting the government to impart information through teaching programs we don't choose, implemented by people we don't know who have no long term accountability to the well being of our kids and have agendas and values that I very well may not agree with.

Go and spend time with your kids

teach them

love them

share your values

share your experiences

don't give them all the things instead give them your time

because they'll be all the WISER for it

My choice is Noctua NT-H1, according to Toms Hardware's extensive testing on 39 different thermal compounds, it is in the top 10 for performance and it is quite inexpensive.

The article that I mentioned can be found HERE

8k resolution, or 144hz 4k?

not that either of those are really doable or a thing for mortals.

1 minute ago, griffin1680 said:

Can't find that setting in my bios, I'm on an asus h270f board

are you able to find reference to the setting in your motherboard manual?