Haha that's why you don't buy Apple Products.

I mean, I don't have issues with sacrificing the performance to get the nicer things since I have a desktop. 

Also macOS is worth something if you ask me. 

this is what i've been saying for a while and it's also the reason i no longer use Mac's... macOS has a value that's for sure, but that value is shrinking by the day if you ask me. 

the reason i say that is Apple unsupports devices for no reason. if you have a 15" 2012 Retina MBP, which mind you is a machine with a quadcore i7, up to 16gb ram, etc, like it's modern in every way, it was thousands of dollars when it released and Apple just left you in the dust. if you wanna stay supported and run current versions of macOS and the apps you use you need to upgrade and again spend thousands of dollars. 

I mean, running the same machine for 8 years is a pretty long time. Idk how long some people expect a computer to last, but 8 years of full support and usually 2 more years of security updates is pretty impressive. 

@DrMacintosh uuuh you can install Windows 10 on machines from 2003, maybe even older than that, i'm pretty sure it runs on some Pentium 4's... 

the problem is that innovation has slowed down. if in 2010 you had a computer from the year 2000 it would be very very slow. but nowadays if you have a computer form 2010 it's still perfectly usable depending on the task. 

for my laptop which i don't do heavy things on the elitebook from 2012 that i currently use works plenty well and i don't have to fear for losing support because it runs standard Windows 10 which has no restrictions on what you can install it on outside of processor instruction limitations of ancient cpu's like early Pentium 4's that just lack certain instructions Windows 10 needs. 

Well from what I can tell the recent drops in support for Macs has been about Graphics. What can be updated to reasonably run the new Metal API since its the sole rendering engine for macOS outside of deprecated OpenGL libraries. 

It's not like Macs that aren't running the latest version of their OS are suddenly unusable either, they still function as they were.

@DrMacintosh i constantly hear apple fans make the argument of well it won't stop working so it's fine, no it isn't fine. by doing this perfectly good hardware ends up in landfill which is bad for the environment and bad for the consumer because they need to buy a new computer purely because of apple's unsupporting. 

the Big Sur drop has nothing to do with Metal. they dropped all 2012 Mac's and some 2013 models, all of those are capable of running Metal and were supported under Mojave and Catalina. 

Then it simply is just Apple reducing the supported product line. 

For a company that warranties, services, and replaces these machines all on their own, a reasonable cutoff date for support is expected. 

If the consumer does not like the idea that there computer will eventually be dropped from support, maybe they should not buy a Mac. I personally don't really care since I wouldn't expect my PC to run the latest OS 8 years from now even if it could technically support it. 

8 years isn't that long you know. a 2012 15" MBP outperforms your 13" 2017 in almost every benchmark. 

regardless they can class systems as vintage which means they don't get hardware support anymore and still update them to the latest OS. but they don't. i get that you are kinda blinded by entitlement but not just everyone can buy a completely new machine every 4 years, and even if they can they might not want to spend that money for that.