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I live in Malaysia. An MCO is an abbreviation of "Movement Control Order". There are varying stages of it, with the toughest being the EMCO (Enhanced Movement Control Order), followed by the MCO, then a CMCO (Conditional Movement Control Order), and a RMCO (Recovery Movement Control Order).

Reading that blog post honestly doesn't do much. TPM requirement was something that I understood. I still have yet to actually know for sure about their CPU requirements. Honestly, they can drop support for anything older than Haswell or whatever. Just that Kaby Lake is still pretty recent, so I don't really get why that generation has to be dropped.

The point isn't to not be mad at Microsoft. The point is that people are panicking over their perfectly good computers not being able to run Windows 11 according to Microsoft's bullshit, when they're still able to use their computers as they've always had even if they can't use the latest and greatest operating system on day one. Nowhere did I say "bend over and get fucked by Microsoft because they clearly know more than us". Everyone has the right to demand that Microsoft change its mind or at least communicate better about its policies. The entire point is that plenty of people are going all "sky is falling" over how their computers will somehow be useless without the latest OS, when in reality, the computer will work just as well as it always had. If you've actually read my post, you'd find that I have always agreed that Microsoft is on the wrong path and that they would need to correct this or at the very least, communicate much better. At the same time, I disagree over the mass hysteria over computers being useless because they don't get OS upgrades on day one. The irony is that this mentality contributes to ewaste.

So THAT'S the "experience" bit??? If so...why didn't they say so earlier

I still have a laptop that has a second-gen Core i3 inside it. For web browsing, it holds up perfectly fine.

Yep, that's exactly the tweet I mentioned to you about. If it's really simply a case of Microsoft just not wanting to support old stuff, then I fully expect them to change their tune eventually. Just to dig in the point, this would mean that a Mac from 2013 would officially be supported for longer (with the 2-3 extra years of extended security patches) than a Windows machine on a 7th-gen Intel processor from 2017. Even with the 2025 support cutoff date for Windows 10, it would mean the system is officially supported for 8 years, compared with 10-11 years for that Mac with the extended security patch window. Granted, I don't think too many people out there are going to keep using the exact same computer for 8 years, let alone 10, but it's nonetheless interesting.

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10 hasn't been great for me, and knowing how hard Microsoft is flip-flopping with system requirements, it doesn't inspire confidence. First day of big releases has always been less-than-ideal based on experience. I doubt 11 will be different.

I know a lot of people are understandably filled with rage over Microsoft's decision to only support CPUs that are part of Intel's 8th-gen/AMD's Ryzen 2nd gen family or newer for Windows 11, alongside a confirmation of sorts that the decision wasn't made with security in mind (despite the newer CPUs containing hardware-level mitigations for exploits such as Spectre). And I agree that it's a pile of bullshit. But I think people are really letting their anger get ahead of themselves. Just because you won't get the latest and greatest OS at launch doesn't mean your system is a total brick. Let me repeat that; Just because you won't get the latest and greatest OS at launch doesn't mean your system is a total brick. Windows 10 is still officially supported with updates and security patches until 2025, so many systems will still be covered against many security holes during this period. And even when it's 2026, it's not like your entire system becomes worthless. All of your applications will still work, and your system will work in the same way as it usually has. You really don't need Windows 11, especially at launch. Given Microsoft's constant flip-flopping and even the heads of their own team scrambling for a response, it's almost certain that Windows 11 will be an absolute shitshow at launch, and will need months of big patches to really get it into a state where it's reliable enough for consumer use. Who knows? Maybe Microsoft finally finds logic and actually learns to communicate better. We'll see...

Best shot is Bluestacks, I'm afraid.

It's bullshit but everyone needs to chill a bit. Just because your system doesn't support Windows 11 at launch doesn't mean it instantly becomes a damn brick. Everything, including all your applications, will still work as it always has, and you will still get updates and support until 2025. They may change their bullshit requirements as the anger grows closer to release, but if Microsoft stubbornly insists, it's not like your system immediately becomes useless. Heck my phone still runs on Android 9, when Android 12 is a thing, yet I'm able to do pretty much everything that I need my phone for. Just. Calm. Down.

Honestly, I'm just as baffled as you are. This is confusing, as if it needs to be even more so..

Apparently, according to some Microsoft department heads on Twitter, it's got nothing to do with security. It's about the "experience". Yeah, this will not go down well at all.

It's kinda funny, isn't it? That a MacBook from 2013, with extended security patch support, is supported for longer than a Windows laptop from 2017 with objectively better hardware. That fact alone might have Microsoft reconsider its decision.

Obviously, this is garbage and Microsoft got themselves into a huge pile of shit that they could've largely avoided had they been more communicative. But...let's take a step back and breathe a bit. Assuming Microsoft insists on what it's doing, which I don't think it will if the controversy erupts to the point where they can't do anything about it, but let's say they did, it's not like the computer becomes a brick. It will still get updates until 2025 and even past that date, many applications will still work, and the computer will function as it always has. It's not going to be as secure but it'll still work. Everyone needs to chill. Just because you don't get the latest and greatest OS doesn't mean your computer becomes a total brick immediately.

Top tip: Don't Unless it's on a Guinea Pig device

We'll see. Honestly, I bet my 2 cents that they'll reverse this requirement but keep the TPM 2.0 one after a while, if their metric turns out to be entirely "experience" based and has very little to do with security. But I'm sticking with my theory.

Just tradition at Microsoft.

Windows 10 is still supported up until 2025. Assuming you've bought a Kaby Lake device in 2017, it'd be 8 years old by the time support for Windows 10 is dropped. You'll have upgraded before the time anyhow. It's not like they're forcing you to upgrade, so this FUD is unwarranted.

To be honest, given the amount of flip flopping they've been doing lately, it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if any of this changed again. And I highly doubt there's a conspiracy to force users to upgrade, as much as my cynical side would love for it to be the case. My theory is that it's likely due to the hardware-level mitigations against exploits like Spectre and Meltdown, that are present in these newer CPUs. Given Microsoft has been trumpeting about beefed up security in 11, this seems plausible. Of course, this would be fantastic if Microsoft actually communicated this better, but like Mercedes and grid penalties in Austria, Microsoft and poor communication just looks like tradition.

The thing is that the always-online feature on the Xbox One never really had benefits, at least at that period. It came with far too many downsides for pretty much no return. The TPM debacle at least has some advantages, notably better security. The main problem is that Microsoft has been very poorly communicating about the whole thing.

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