What are you talking about? I own a 2060, I know it's a fine card and I wasn't hating on it...
I was just saying that it depends on budget and usage whether it makes sense to buy the most expensive option or go for a cheaper option.
How obvious it needs to be so you can look through a lie and people intentions ?
He tries to push some information about the RTX card as it's a hot topic right now, as he is not a big YouTube channel he needs relevancy. Thus he made a video which doesn't show any gameplay with or without the new card, there is just some game footage on a small screen at the top right with no fps meter, just a footage of a game with unknown GPU. Just because someone tried to make 3-4 tables with something written on it talking like other tech channels doesn't make it trustful. He DON'T have the card nor he made benchmarks he made them based on some articles online and maybe his grain in salt in there.
Sometimes a lie don't need hard proof to know it's a lie.
Ah yes, the addictive-ness of wanting the best that is to offer. RESIST IT. I don't really have that problem anymore. My real problem is that I'm addicted to the process of building PCs. It's just so therapeutic.
Just buy the Asus Strix/ MSI Gaming X/ MSI Gaming X Trio. Personally I have to undervolt my Strix for a reasonable temps and noise (I live in Indonesia so the ambient pretty much the same with Singapore). I used to have MSI Gaming X 1070 and it is very quiet!
First time posting my build here. Let me know what you think !
Specs:
CPU: i7 8700k (Stock)
MOBO: Asus Maximus X Hero Z370
RAM: 16 GB DDR4 3000 Corsair Dominator Platinum (2 x 8 GB)
GPU: Asus Strix 1080 Ti OC (1911 - .900mv)
CPU COOLER: Corsair H115i
PSU: Seasonic Prime Titanium 650W
Case: Phanteks Enthoo Evolv ATX Tempered Glass (Anthracite Grey)
Storage: Samsung 960 Evo 250GB, Samsung 850 Evo 250GB, WDC Blue 1TB
Case Fans: 3 x Phanteks 140mm Fans
LED: Phanteks LED Strip
Peripherals:
Monitor: Acer Predator XB271HU
Sound: Sennhesier Game One + some local brand speaker
Mouse: Logitech G303 + G502
Keyboard: Corsair K65 Rapidfire
Mousepad: Zowie PSR
Mouse Bungee: Zowie Camade
Mods:
- Drill some holes for the front mounted 280mm radiator so the base cover doesn't have to be removed
- Custom cable sleeve
- Extra washers for the front panel for a better airflow
Wanted to do some black and white theme but the LED on the Strix 1080 Ti won't achieve the same white color
First time posting my build here. Let me know what you think !
Specs:
CPU: i7 8700k (Stock)
MOBO: Asus Maximus X Hero Z370
RAM: 16 GB DDR4 3000 Corsair Dominator Platinum (2 x 8 GB)
GPU: Asus Strix 1080 Ti OC (1911 - .900mv)
CPU COOLER: Corsair H115i
PSU: Seasonic Prime Titanium 650W
Case: Phanteks Enthoo Evolv ATX Tempered Glass (Anthracite Grey)
Storage: Samsung 960 Evo 250GB, Samsung 850 Evo 250GB, WDC Blue 1TB
Case Fans: 3 x Phanteks 140mm Fans
LED: Phanteks LED Strip
Peripherals:
Monitor: Acer Predator XB271HU
Sound: Sennhesier Game One + some local brand speaker
Mouse: Logitech G303 + G502
Keyboard: Corsair K65 Rapidfire
Mousepad: Zowie PSR
Mouse Bungee: Zowie Camade
Mods:
- Drill some holes for the front mounted 280mm radiator so the base cover doesn't have to be removed
- Custom cable sleeve
- Extra washers for the front panel for a better airflow
Wanted to do some black and white theme but the LED on the Strix 1080 Ti won't achieve the same white color
I'm benching right now and I was able to achieve 2025MHz @ 1.000mv and 1911MHz @ 900mv.
Thanks Man for your inputs!
I'm just trying to get the best temps to performance ratio. At stock, my 1080 Ti reach only 1747 @ 1000mv+ and it ran crazily hot.
Hi, I guess many people (like me) are now moving to Ryzen builds and why not. As part of this I have noticed quite a LOT of questions regarding ram, what type, how fast and compatibility. Let me try and address a few of these questions and myths.
1. Compatibility -
Whenever a new platform is released, Ryzen, X99, Athlon 64 etc there is always issues with ram support. This is (not recently) not due to the ram itself, its basically due to brand new chipset, brand new CPU and bios's and CPU instruction needing development and testing across the different multitudes of build configurations.
Ryzen is no different, when it released hardly anyone could get high ram speeds, this isn't due to bad ram etc, it's just the bios not mature enough and the instructions within the CPU not knowing how to deal with it. We are still at the point of Samsung B Die offering the best experience with Ryzen, but that is kinda expensive - for note, Samsung B die has pretty much 100% chance of being used in Ram kits of 3200mhz and CAS Latency of 14 and 3600mhz kits using CAS latency 16. Everything else is likely to be Hynix or another form of Samsung or Micron.
Ok, so here's whats happened (and will keep happening) AMD release new codes/microcodes which are CPU improvements to Motherboard manufacturers in the form Agesa updates. You usually hear about them before hand via AMD Community updates:
https://community.amd.com/community/gaming/blog/2017/04/06/amd-ryzen-community-update-3 as an example
Once the board makers receive these updates, they then make a new bios to implement those improvements, they are available normally as a Beta/test bios before appearing on boards official download pages - also take note that flagship boards will receive the beta bios's first and will then trickle down to the mid and low level boards.
So why all this information?
The last 2 Agesa updates (1005 and 1006) have offered massive ram compatibility and speed improvements. The most recent, Agesa 1006 now offers us speed support of upto 4000mhz! That doesn't mean we can run 4000mhz yet, remember it is still early days.
So what is my point? Don't spend money on AMD Ryzen branded ram just because of compatibility concerns, pretty much all ram will work with Ryzen to some degree, what normally happens is it will default to 2133mhz until you play around with various settings. Also note that XMP is still hit and miss - it doesn't mean your ram isn't compatible, just means you need to configure it yourselt (more later)
As requested I have added some shortcuts to help people find the QVL for their boards
That is most of the popular boards, it's pretty easy find your board from there if I haven't included it. If you feel your board is popular or you can't find the QVL, reply to this thread and I will update it with your board.
Next,
2) Speed
Don't try and save $$$/£££ off your build here guys - Ram speed is really important to Ryzen, especially in gaming. A little info here: Ryzen is basically 2 cores/cpus build on board (really basic terms here) and communicate to each other over something called "infinity fabric" This communication lane operates at exactly half of your ram speed, faster ram = lower Infinity Fabric latency = more performance.
Want some figures? Today I ran RIse of the Tomb Raider benchmark at 1080P on my sig rig using both 2133mhz and 3333mhz ram speeds and here's the results:
2133mhz
3333mhz
As you can see, that is over 30% improvement right there!
I can't get my ram to run any faster as it is using Hynix and is only rated for 3200mhz (for information - this ram is still not on the QVL for my board)
TL/DR - BUY THE FASTEST RAM YOU CAN AFFORD - I would happily stick with the wraith cooler for a month or so if it meant the difference between 2400mhz ram + an AIO or Wraith + 3600mhz ram!!
3) Ok I bought non QVL ram and it won't post above 2133mhz
Don't panic!
Take note of the timings of the ram from the sticks eg
16-18-18-38-2T (could be 2CR or 2N)
Ok so what you want to try and do is enter the timings manually, increase SOC voltage to 1.2v and DDR Voltage to 1.35v, manually set the next speed and reboot. If it works great, go back and do this again until you get to the point where it again fails to boot.
Here you have 2 options:
1) Stick with that speed. If it is equal to or better than what your ram is tested to aka 3000mhz ram and you got 3200mhz stable great! If it is below (which a lot of people are seeing) say 2666mhz or 2933mhz then you can either wait for more bios updates and try again or try a new beta bios or
2) Play more with your ram! So I have my own example here:
My ram fails XMP above 2933mhz for what ever reason. However by adding/changing some settings
SOC V - 1.25v
DDRV - 1.5V (this is over volting and is at your risk if you opt to do it)
loosen my timings from 16-18-18-38-2T to 20-20-20-40-2T
I'm now able to boot and run 3333mhz ram on my Trident Z RGB 3200mhz ram that isn't on the QVL for my board
4) I need more than 16gb, does this affect my desired speed?
Ok so now I given a basic understanding of the affects of ram speed and why it is important, lets talk about capacity, because at this time, it is directly related to the officially support ram speeds. Let me explain:
Here is the list of officially support ram speeds from AMD - This is the fastest you can go with zero overclocking, cause yes, when you push the ram to a higher speed, it is still overclocking the CPU which as you know, depends on silicon lottery/binning and how much voltage you're willing to apply to the CPU
DDR4 Speed (MT/s)
Memory Ranks
DIMM Quantities
2667
Single
2
2400
Dual
2
2133
Single
4
1866
Dual
4
So, as you can see, the best scenario at this time for the fastest ram is go with 2x single sided dims, aka 2x 8gb (although some 8gb sticks can be double sided, do your research) - this gives us our best shot at max speeds
if you need 32gb, then it is best to go for 2x 16gb sticks rather than 4x 8gb as it applies less stress to the IMC (internal Memory Controller) of the CPU and will allow faster speeds as you can see above.
Worst case scenario is 4x 16gb sticks (double sided dims) lowering the officially supported speed to 1866mhz
Remember this is prior to overclocking - You may get 4x 16gb sticks and be able to hit 2933mhz, above that is rarely heard of at this time.
5) I bought the fastest ram I can afford and no matter what I do, it refuses to go any faster than X speed, even though its tested to 3600/4000 etc
Ok so lets assume you did everything above from point 3) and your 3600mhz ram still refuses to boot above for example 3333mhz. Now this could be due to the platform needing more updates (agesa) or plain and simple, a CPU limitation. Overclocking ram (above 2666mhz) is still CPU overclocking. As we know all CPU's have a ceiling for overclocking and it may just be the case that your particular chip is not capable of running that ram. Which is unfortunate, this is just something to keep in mind with ram speed expectations.
6) Ok smart arse, what ram do you recommend then for a more "pleasant" Ryzen experience?
Firstly - Try and avoid 16gb Sticks like the plague and I would also avoid using all 4 dimms until more updates are released.
As I have already said, go for the fastest ram you can afford. If you want to try and avoid as many of these problems as possible, then go for Samsung B Die, heres a list of RAM that is "Probably/high chance" aka not 100% guaranteed (LOL) to be Samsung B die:
There will be other Samsung B Kits out there, just do your research.
7) Ram tuning
AMD recently did some in house testing of different variables when choosing between different ram kits at 3200mhz and above - this included DR vs SR (double rank vs single rank), 1T vs 2T and various ram timings. It can be found here, please keep in mind that is at 3200mhz and above, is don't look to swap out frequency for latency at speeds less than that when buying your ram.
TLDR: SR, 1T CAS 14 3466mhz is the fastest on this test
8) So, X399 is here, is anything different? What ram is best? Does Capacity affect the max speed?
I will answer these questions as more information becomes available - keep in mind that the information I had for X370 was first hand as I have the platform and experience. X399 I will provide information from research as I think my wife would categorically castrate me if I swapped out my 3 month X370 system for an X399 rig!!
1) At this time I can't find any testing of Threadripper at different ram speeds. The only information that I have come across is Game Mode - Which basically disables half of the CPU cares to reduce ram latency. The problem is, not every game is latency sensitive, some prefer cores - so it seems to be a little hit and miss as when and when not to use it.
You have to phase out the "old" before game devs will fully go with the "new".
It's kind of a stupid circle we're in right now...
-games are slightly better on 4c/8t and they're cheaper, so you'd buy that (why wouldn't you unless you stream or do video editing too).
-the game devs know this and are in business to make the most money possible, so why would they make a game that is meant for a high c/t CPU when they can't sell it to the majority?
-so, the devs make the games use less to sell more. I mean they can add support for it later, but it's not the same as being designed for it.
Plus, not a coder here so idk for sure but, I would imagine it's probably harder to "dumb" a game down with a world that's designed to use 8+ cores and 16+ threads rather than just "fluffing" one to kind of use all that. In my head that seems like taking the new Doom and trying to make it play on the original Xbox lol
I think the same kind of thing is happening with DX12... why make a game that uses it when there's so many Fred Flintstones out there still sitting on their prehistoric 1 or 2 Gb cards yelling "YABBA DABBA DOOO I NEED A NEW GPU YET?" lol
Hey guys can you help me choose between these three monitor and explain why?
1. Dell S2716DG ($663 in my country)
Known problem: Pixel inversion
https://www.amazon.com/Dell-Gaming-S2716DG-LED-Lit-Monitor/dp/B0149QBOF0
2. Asus PG279Q ($998 in my country)
Known problem: IPS Backlight bleed
https://www.amazon.com/PG279Q-2560x1440-G-SYNC-Gaming-Monitor/dp/B017EVR2VM
3. Acer XB271HU ($953 in my country)
Known Problem: IPS Backlight bleed
https://www.amazon.com/Acer-Predator-XB271HU-2560x1440-Display/dp/B0173PEX20
Price is a bit high in my country. I also need sugestions regarding the pixel inversion of the Dell is it noticeable?
Note: Usually the shops in Indonesia doesn't offer a return if we are not satisfied with the products. Only when the product is defective then they MAY offer return.
I also prefer Asus and especially here their warranty is better than the others. However the Asus one have a lower QC from what I read in online reviews.
Hi bro !! They sell those in Indonesia? I cannot find it in any online retailers here. (I must add i want to try Gsync also :P)
Yea above 1500 any quiet fans will still produce a noticeable sound
Yeah 2016=Year of RGB
Here in my country MagLev price is almost the same with Noctua
I've heard many good review about them but silent wings cost almost the same with noctua ipcc (340k Rupiah = 26 ish USD) which got me thinking.
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