Marinatall_Ironside

I can see that Intel has a point, but they also miss a huge point: The synthetic tests are there because they stress any CPU to the max and give some number to every. Do they reflect perfectly normal usecase? No. Are they biased? Maybe. But for real, what is the point to test something like how fast Chrome starts or loads a page? Like even with mid-range CPUs we start to have time differences in nanoseconds and at that point the difference is so small that even one bit in a different place in RAM starts to affect the results. Not to even talk about that those applications Intel wants people to benchmark might actually give even worse results with the top-of-the-line CPUs just because they are nowhere near optimized to take any kind of advantage from them (because there is no reason to use time to do something that stupid because no one in real use would notice any difference running them on i7-7700K or on i9-9980XE).
And about LoL and CSGO. Does Intel really have some kind of kink to be humiliated even more? Like those games are the point of the golden needle that's 100m tall standing in a square kilometer empty parking lot why you should never use most used applications as benchmarks. As vanilla neither one of those takes any toll on any CPU greater than a potato and if you remove every single limitation there is to get them stress CPUs as much as possible even the most recent mid-tier CPUs run the games "fast" enough to start breaking the game engine. Like one example test on CSGO I found (sorry, in Finnish, but you get the point, low-settings 1080p 2xMSAA, RTX 2080 Ti), like "great, would really pay the extra bucks for i9-9900K to play CSGO 11FPS slower than with i7-9700K".

yep i agree with the general idea but the applications intel is suggesting are ridiculous. 

Hello
 
For a Ryzen 5 3600, as a cooling solution, which would be the quietest for this chip?
 
I've been debating between me and my brother for a new build for someone, and my argument is in favour of an air cooler, whereas my brother's in favour for a 240mm CLC cooler.
 
My argument is like this: The Ryzen 5 3600 is rated by AMD at 65 watts. My choice for a single-tower 135mm air cooler is the be quiet! Dark Rock 4, which they (the air cooler maker) rate the thing for 200 watts of cooling capacity. Way overkill - and so much that the fan doesn't need to spin fast, if at all. The CLC (my brother's argument) is that it looks nicer, has a potentially higher TDP capacity, and works best with any kit of RAM in terms of compatibility.
 
I want your second opinion on this matter.
 
p.s. here's the parts list for the new build in question. Absolute max budget is USD $1,300 (as shipped w/ taxes included).
 

3D was such a gimmick and just made me sick. They had to specifically design scenes in movies to make it pop out and it deterred from the plot too much. Magic eyes are much more fascinating 

honestly why do we need 3D vision....

I'm sad that old CPU coolers which were insanely good don't work anymore because of mounting changes.
 
Of course, you can always Linus it and use zip ties.

It seems to cut every corner in the aesthetics department, the fan on it is hideous imo ?
 
But it's the best price / performance on a cooler you will find, hands down.
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/deepcool-gammaxx-400-slim-tower-cpu-cooler,4460-2.html

Personally I would go with a dark rock 4 pro. Aio's are trash and I do not even consider them water-cooling. More along the lines of poser cooling so people can say oh yeah I got a water cooled PC bro.
 
Custom loop or highend air.
 
 
That being said these cores run hot. Single core with pbo you will get close to that 65w alone. The small focused heat spot from the 7nm makes these chips feel more like 105w in terms of temps. 
 
Now I never ran a 3600 on an aio. I did test a 3900x on a Corsair h115i pro and it just couldn't handle it. Temps were in the high 80's low 90's. Liquid temp was well over 48c I'm guessing just by how hot the tubes and rad was it was closer to the mid 50's. 
 
 
Aio will cool the 3600 fine. But a dark rock 4 pro is a better option and better cooling. It's cheaper so it will fill your budget better also. 
 
 
 
I'm all for water cooling I hate air. But when faced with an AIO or air I would go with air every time and the Dark Rock 4 pro is my top pick. Noctua will bee soon as those new finish's come out but the Pro is a great all around cooler at a great price 

Honestly, unless you REALLY need a water cooler, which is almost never, air cooler all the way.
 
 
 
get your brother to watch this

ECC support has always existed on Ryzen, board makers just haven't cared.

True, theres so many choices for a DAC+amp and everyone has an opinion on what is best, headphones are a lot like that too, and you could end up with something you don't like the sound profile of. I understand why someone would just want good sound, a soundcard is much more simple to buy and it can be can tuned to how you want it to sound with the software.

The problem with that is it assumes people like Ricky Gervais are right.  It also assumes opinions are only of value if you agree with them.
 
You only quoted him because you are with him and think he is right.  There frequently is no definitive way to determine who is right/wrong when an opinion results in offense.   

You can still make people think without using satire, like how academics and scholars make people think when they go to submit publications to academia.

the thing is full disclosure to a lot of companies sound like giving up trade secrets. for a lot of them the way they handle the data ia big part of why they are so successful and making everyone show their hand isnt gonna work

You can still make people think without using satire, like how academics and scholars make people think when they go to submit publications to academia.

Humour or not, it's bad taste mate.

I think one of the comments on the video says it better:
 
My point from the start was that comparing a fairly simple (compared to DLSS)  sharpening filter to DLSS is flawed, at least if you are going to assume one is always better than the other.

What nVidia were trying to do was ambitious and hopefully it will pay off eventually.  Was it worth the cost to the consumer?  Arguably no, but they had to take a gamble that it would make RTX more useful in the short-term and indeed they failed.

If you've been a PC gamer for a few decades this is nothing new.  Pushing big leaps in graphical rendering always is a gamble.  Sometimes the only way to see what works is to throw it all into the pot and see what developers can make of it and you can't do that without releasing it to consumers, as developers wont bother to implement something nobody can use.

Yes, because however good he is - his opinion is not the be all and end all.  What looks better is often subjective.

Don't get me wrong, DLSS so far has been junk but as people rightly pointed out - what AMD has implemented is merely a post-process filter.  A good one perhaps and its great they make it public so any developer can use it, but its not even in the same league of what nVidia were trying to do, even if they have so far failed.

There is no one size fits all solution.

Thanos says no.

source: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/23/us/nasa-astronaut-anne-mcclain.html
 
I'm not a legal expert and I don't know if this constitutes identity theft but McClain should have asked her former wife whether or not she is still allowed to access her bank account and it seems by the situation the answer would have most likely been no and McClain would have known that. Also it seems she might also be trying to gather evidence against her former wife in a child custody case and without a court order that would probably be obtaining evidence illegally. And even though this happened in space each astronaut is still subject to the laws of their country including cyber laws.

So because you don't like a brand, you think it's acceptible to say their logo is analogous to the symbol for the nazi party? 
 
The hell is wrong with you? Why is nazi the go to for this generation of people. Don't like someone or something? Say they are a nazi. Bam got 'em, now everyone else can dogpile on them for me. 
 
It's lost all meaning because people like you just slap it on anything. 

I get the feeling you're not a fan of Mercedes.... ?

gee, good job hiding your bias

I think the most important note to take from this, is that average framerates are compared, which do not account for framerate dips, caused by slow access times from the CPU to the RAM or the storage, because of either early BIOS versions or chipsets or memory/storage configurations.
 
And then there are different driver revisions, different game settings, BIOS versions, microcode updates, game updates, OS updates, ... - and the list goes on.
 
Simply said; nothing is perfect.

I'm out. you're trolling.
Totally agree with what the others said about you.