Thank you for the clear explanation and i would like to have some control over cpu but i don't think im going to be over clocking, therefore im fine with having something above 3ghz while gaming, I am pretty conf trouble taking PCs apart and putting them back together i don't mind modding a laptop at all i have done a few laptop repairs and upgrades. i like playing games like watchdogs, skyrim, dying light, total war ect.. so i would perfer something with a 970m gpu. i was thinking of the MSI GT70 dominator 2293 with 16 gb of vram http://www.amazon.com/MSI-GT70-Dominator-2293-17-3-Inch-Laptop/dp/B00O4ORQ3C/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1426288049&sr=8-1&keywords=msi+gt70+2293or the asus ROG G751 http://www.amazon.com/ASUS-G751JT-CH71-17-3-Inch-Laptop-Black/dp/B00NVV2B98/ref=sr_1_3?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1426288091&sr=1-3&keywords=asus+rog, but now i hear about sager and idk what to do..