VagabondWraith

Sexy beast. If I had 2 grand to plop down I’d buy it just to make my e-penis grow a foot.

So Tom's Guide did a review of the iPhone 8 and 8+ and while the design offers less to nothing, the inside show something else:
 
 
https://www.tomsguide.com/us/iphone-8-and-8-plus,review-4675.html
 
So it seems Apple stepped up their CPU and GPU game big time. What do you think of the results?

In before: "But price to performance...."

So looking at the refreshed OP with benchmarks the summary is that it rips TR a new asshole and that's without the full overclocking potential in play...

You completely missed his point. His point is, they put it on cheap A320 boards, so he is questioning why other manufacturers do not put it on their more expensive boards if a cheap board has this feature. Let's not call the thoughts of others stupid when you are not thinking it entirely through yourself. 

Well AMD is to blame here, since AMD are the ones that stole Intel's naming scheme.

Our almighty savior, AMD, is never at fault. 

I didn't say they want it to coincide with the consumer platform, but rather to show that X299 has is in the same performance bracket as z270 (both are sk/kb). If the consumer platform is on Z370 and the enthusiast platform is on x199, then that sounds like HEDT is very far behind, whereas x299 sounds better. 
Most people don't upgrade that frequently though. I can't imagine Intel makes much extra money by releasing a new chipset for every generation. 
 
So yes, it's a lot and annoying that they are always launching a new platform, but that also likely drives hype and keeps the motherboard market from stagnating. If a new platform is going to come out than there is a higher likelihood of new designs and features being added.
 
R7 was launched at the end of February (2/22/17). And the AM4 chipsets weren't announced until january: https://www.google.com/amp/wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-am4-x370-motherboards-ces/amp/
 
What version number Intel is on is irrelevant. AMD knew Intel would continue to iterate by 100 each generation, and so they knew they were stealing the naming scheme. 

i3 > i5 > i7.
r3 > r5 > r7.
 
Hmmmm.

Except even someone with the intelligence of a chipmunk could have guessed (with a decent bit of certainty) that Intel's next chipset would be _270 followed by _370. 
I'm not saying AMD can't use 100, 200, 300, etc... I'm saying that AMD deliberately chose the same tier numbers that intel is using -- 50 and 70. They could have made the chipset B315 and X395, or B338 and X368, they could have done B38 and X84, there are literally an infinite number of names they could have chosen, but they chose to go with the same _50, _70, and _99 naming scheme that Intel uses. And so, you can't blame Intel for the confusion with the naming scheme -- it is 100% AMD's fault.
 
Intel stole it. They traveled through time to see what AMD was going to name Ryzen. 

X399>X370>B350
X299>Z270>B250
 

Oh boy... Fanboys already finding excuses for a bunch of things and the phone isn't even out. 
 
Here is a crazy idea. Maybe OLED screens are expensive because they are hard to make? I mean, the reason for lack of competition is not because only Samsung is trying to produce OLED screens. They are the only ones managing to make good ones in fairly large quantities. If they were easy to make then I am sure LG, JPI and other panel makers would be all over it already. 

I would go with the Lake of Caffeine.

I would go with the Lake of Caffeine.

Truthfully bud, the 12c - 18c parts are shaping up to be better than the 10c part with regards to thermals considering the big difference in die size.  Provided you cool it well, the 12c Skylake-X will hit clocks that will perform similarly with the 16 TR chip in mulit, but with pretty insane single-thread performance on top of it.  The 14c Skylake-X part is going to pass an overclocked 16c TR in both single and multi with a mild overclock.  As for the 16c through 18c Skylake-X, well, they will just pull away from a 16c TR chip.
 
An 18c Skylake-X at 4.5 GHz is going to run in the area of 4600+ CB multi with 210+ CB single.  Anything above 4.5 GHz is just going to be icing on the cake as far as performance is concerned.
 
TR getting RAID support is great.  It'll be neat to see how they did it without a RAID controller on the chip.  Hell, it may have one, but AMD never mentioned it.  
 
The way I see it, TR will remain the value king and Skylake-X will lead in performance.  Either will be great based on what you need/want out of a rig.

Coming soon to a Cinebench score thread near you... 
 
 

So this means that AMD fanboys shouldn't buy Vega since they're causing AMD to lose money then.  

As I have said before, it is still using traditional compound (not solder) and most of this is owed to the larger die. Also as I said, the 12c chip is going to be king for people that want a mix of heavy multi-core performance AND higher clock speeds. It has the best of both worlds. 
 
For those of you that look at 90C on a custom loop and say "that's too hot", remind yourself of how many cores these CPU's have, and cross reference that with the heat produced by traditional consumer i7's, and tell me you honestly expected the 18 core to run anywhere near as cool as your non-soldered quad core. Better yet, get a 7700k (non-delidded), overclock it on a custom loop, and run Linpack MKL for me. I can't help but feel you will still hit 90C on a custom loop, lol.
 
Now just imagine what these bad boys can do with a delid and some liquid metal alongside these custom loops. With a low enough ambient, and strong enough pump, you might be able to make 5ghz happen on all 18 cores assuming the board doesn't flake out after the constant pressure over time. Safe to say the X299 Apex and X299 OC Formula are going to be required to hold that clock. I highly doubt it can be held on any of the sub $400 boards without some serious active cooling. Now you just have to find someone with the stones to actually delid a $2000+ CPU. 

I'm just glad Intel is finally doing another real extreme edition. The 6950X was okay, but really didn't warrant the title. Now, we get a fully unlocked 18 core chip and people complain that it's too crazy. The extreme edition on the enthusiast platform is too much for normal people to handle according to a ton of people, and that's somehow a bad thing 

Motherboard makers release badly designed products, Intel's fault heh. It's not like AIO cooling is even part of the discussion too if people bring it up, AIO doesn't cool the VRMs so what does an AIO not being enough to cool these chips have to do with that at all anyway?
 
One of the most important factors for VRM cooling is operating efficiency, this plays a very big part in what is required to keep them cool and how much power draw from the PSU is required.
 
Here is an efficiency graph and shows why more VRM phases are better, I suspect most people don't actually know why or think it's something else which isn't exactly correct.

https://www.ekwb.com/blog/what-is-mosfet-and-why-should-you-keep-it-cool/
 
As you can clearly see as you draw more current the efficiency goes down and this is why more VRM phases is better, each VRM phase has to deliver less current as more are added reducing the overall circuit power and heat output.
 
A CPU at 1.2V drawing 300W amps would require 250 amps, an 8 phase design would mean 31.25 amps per phase at roughly 87% efficiency and 6W of heat output per phase totaling 48W of heat. Going from 8 to 10 phases would drop the heat output to about 40W. This might not seem like a lot but remember this is the same amount of heat many many mainstream desktop processors are putting out.
 
Lowering your vcore voltage while drawing the same amount of power will increase your VRM temps.

So this means that AMD fanboys shouldn't buy Vega since they're causing AMD to lose money then.  

So this means that AMD fanboys shouldn't buy Vega since they're causing AMD to lose money then.  

So this means that AMD fanboys shouldn't buy Vega since they're causing AMD to lose money then.  

So this means that AMD fanboys shouldn't buy Vega since they're causing AMD to lose money then.  

So this means that AMD fanboys shouldn't buy Vega since they're causing AMD to lose money then.