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Because there is nothing to support the claim that it is a hardware issue. @zMeulis known for his anti AMD propaganda, and this is yet an agenda driven newspost.
Read this article: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=amd-ryzen-znver1&num=1 As you can tell, these things takes a lot of development, trial and error and testing. It's is precisely for that reason, this issue was found to begin with. It will be fixed soon I'm sure. 
 
Now IF it is a hardware fault, it will be corrected in an upcoming AGESA update like all other Ryzen erratas so far.
 
Addendum: This problem seems to be focused on the Gentoo distro only, and seems to be fixed by disabling OPcache in the BIOS. As such, it's obviously not a hardware fault, as it doesn't manifest other places. Should be fixed by Gentoo soon I'm sure.

Finding all the benches to suit your needs. We all know you have a vendetta against AMD. Anyone with a brain will see the value side of this and the "within-close-margins" performance of a similarly spec'd Intel chip. If I wasnt already satisfied with a 6700k, I bought a year prior, I would be all over the Ryzen series. 

Obligatory explanation of HyperThreading because stuff
It helps to first understand the basics of CPU architecture. Most CPUs having the following:
Instruction fetcher Instruction decoder Registers to hold immediately pertinent data Execution units, such as an arithmetic and logic unit (ALU), floating point unit (FPU), or address generation unit (AGU) Some sort of memory interface What HyperThreading does is duplicates the registers so that there are two sets of them. When the CPU is working on a thread, its context, or current execution state, is stored in these registers. When a thread does not use all of the execution resources, as there are multiples of them due to Intel's use of superscalar pipelining (or executing more than on instruction at a time in the same thread), the processor sees if the other thread's context can run using those unused execution resources.
 
HyperThreading is mostly a system software (i.e., the OS) problem when it comes to hurting performance. If the system is not aware that the two logical cores are logical and not physical, it may attempt to schedule things as if they had the full execution resources. This can lead two threads being scheduled on the same physical core, leading to degraded performance.
 
As a reminder: the smallest unit of scheduling is a thread. The OS does not care what process (or program) that thread belongs to.

Let me launch this new product...with 0 fucking IPC gains, while at the same time bait and switch you to wait for Cannon lake mere hours after you can officially buy Kaby.
 
Fucking assholes, Zen needs to fucking kick their ass in a hurry.

But notice I make a conditional statement: if that's the performance, that can't be the price. If that's the price, that can't be the performance. Then it all may or may not happen, I just don't think both can happen simultaneously
 
Now, independently of that, you are showing an OCed 5960x basically do the same that the 6900K and Ryzen in the video. It's hard for me to tell whether any advantage the 6900K may have over the 5960x is more or less than what you gain by overclocking to 4.8. They could have uploaded a different job to make any CPU you have pale in comparison  But that would be silly, as people with a 6900K could quickly check whether they match the mark or not, since it's supposed to be done at stock speeds. I don't know if there's any other specs (RAM?) that could matter, or whether the background tasks you mentioned can have a significant impact.
 
Do you know (or is it too much trouble for you to go back and forth) how much time would it take for your 5960x to do the same job? 
 
PS: a quick Youtube search tells me not many people has replicated yet. Then again, the quick YT search didn't return your video... 

Probably gigabytes of uncompressed data like sounds and movies. Like what Titanfall did for 60GB worth of space.

Probably gigabytes of uncompressed data like sounds and movies. Like what Titanfall did for 60GB worth of space.

Intel, calls anything Haswell 4th Generation...? Just because it has the -E does not mean it is a newer generation. Haswell > Broadwell > Skylake> Kaby Lake > etc. For such a meek issue, you start a massive argument.

Much of the PGA vs LGA argument basically boils down to this: people can have momentary bouts of stupidity. That's one of the reasons much of how computer technology has developed is to make things as idiot-proof as possible. There is a limit, though.
 
I've been building systems since the 486-DX2. That was when the ZIF socket was young. Prior to the 486, you didn't have that. To get the processor out of the system, you had to use a "chip extractor" -- I think I still have mine somewhere that came with a toolkit my dad gave me all those years ago. You want to talk about the potential to bend pins... Without the ZIF, you had a much, much higher degree of probability since you had to set the processor correct before pressing it down. Press it down without making sure all the pins are lined up right and you'll bend them. The ZIF made that much easier -- set the processor, make sure it's seated properly, give it a small jiggle to double-check, then push down the retention arm.
 
So like many other aspects of building computers, the ZIF fell under the idea of "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" and "don't change the design unless someone has a legitimate complaint". The potential to bend pins is actually why Intel (and soon thereafter AMD) went to the cartridge processor -- the Pentium II and first Pentium IIIs -- before switching back to the ZIF with the exposed core because of heat. The dangers of that exposed core are why Intel and AMD started adding the IHS -- integrated heat spreader. The processor is more costly than the mainboard, as many learned through that telltale CRACK! that told you that you applied too much force in trying to attach your heatsink.
 
And now you're wanting to debate PGA vs LGA. I think a lot of people are only saying LGA is better simply because it's Intel's MO and not AMD's, and given the vast majority of this forum is comprised of people who would denounce anything AMD, it's no surprise. Neither is tangibly better. AMD has been able to produce high performing processors with the PGA, and Intel has been able to do the same with LGA.
 
The risk of bent pins is one that has long existed. The only thing LGA does is moves the risk from the CPU to the mainboard. And if the pins come to you from the manufacturer already bent, then that wasn't a problem with shipping, but with packing and handling. Only if there is clear damage to the product box could you say damaged in transit, but then why would you even take that home from the store? If it was shipped to you, then file the RMA. The same could happen with Intel mainboards: in the rare instance where there is poor handling during manufacture or packaging, you could have a mainboard with bent socket pins.
 
Otherwise there isn't any greater risk with PGA for one simple reason: YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO TOUCH THE BOTTOM OF THE PROCESSOR! You're not supposed to touch any area that will be making electrical or signal contact -- whether that's the bottom of the processor, or the PCI-Express connections on a graphics card, or what have you. That's been true since the beginning. If you're mishandling the CPU, whether LGA or PGA, then you deserve any damage that happens. If you're not careful handling a small electronic component that set you back several hundred dollars, then you deserve any damage that occurs.
 
Yes, people can't be 100% careful, but then nothing can be 100% idiot-proof either. If you're going to say LGA is better simply because someone might be an idiot handling a PGA processor, you're not making much of an argument in your favor.

Yeah, explosive decompression in space is a myth. You're going from 1 atmosphere to 0 atmosphere, the pressure change would be noticeable not fatal. Explosive decompression is more likely for scuba divers that deal with 6-7 atmospheres of pressure and the pressure chamber, used to bring them back to normal pressure, fails.
 
Check out the ByFord Dolpin Incident https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byford_Dolphin#Diving_bell_accident
 
On Mars, a tear, rip, or gouge in the habitat would not nearly be as explosive as it was in The Martian. Essentially it would be a rush of air out of the hole and whatever humans inside would need to suit up before they suffocate and probably patch it up with duct tape.

Yeah, explosive decompression in space is a myth. You're going from 1 atmosphere to 0 atmosphere, the pressure change would be noticeable not fatal. Explosive decompression is more likely for scuba divers that deal with 6-7 atmospheres of pressure and the pressure chamber, used to bring them back to normal pressure, fails.
 
Check out the ByFord Dolpin Incident https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byford_Dolphin#Diving_bell_accident
 
On Mars, a tear, rip, or gouge in the habitat would not nearly be as explosive as it was in The Martian. Essentially it would be a rush of air out of the hole and whatever humans inside would need to suit up before they suffocate and probably patch it up with duct tape.

16gb? You mean 11.5GB? 

16gb? You mean 11.5GB? 

Have had a bad run in with Gigabyte because my 980Ti bricked and I took it apart to troubleshoot it. They said that the warranty was void as soon as I pulled the heat sink off because "they can tell when it happens." EVGA and ASUS are much more forgiving though. 
 
I knew of this law when it was referenced for cars when teenagers add aftermarket intakes and the transmission blows and the dealership claimed the intake blew it. I did not think it could be applied to GPU's since almost anything could be reasoned to break them. 

Everyone crying about this chip not being fast enough and not taking into account that this in an 8-core chip with better IPC than Haswell. That effectively makes it better than 5960X and directly competing with Broadwell-E, all on a consumer chip. So quit crying that a company, with a fraction of the budget of Intel, is still able to make CPU's that can directly compete with it. Im rooting for the underdog and some real competition.   

Everyone crying about this chip not being fast enough and not taking into account that this in an 8-core chip with better IPC than Haswell. That effectively makes it better than 5960X and directly competing with Broadwell-E, all on a consumer chip. So quit crying that a company, with a fraction of the budget of Intel, is still able to make CPU's that can directly compete with it. Im rooting for the underdog and some real competition.   

If you are starting out with a new build then my vote would be going for the 6700k. It is a Skylake i7 so you get the 4 cores and 8 threads for your editing plus it will let you sit pretty for another few years until it is time to upgrade again.
 
Since you want to air cool as well, the 6700k runs significantly cooler than the 4690k all while being more powerful. This is due to intel removing the integrated voltage regulator.

Nvidia... Nvidia never changes...
 
(Nobody got the "war... war never changes..." Fallout reference?)