Stefan Payne

I agree. You should listen to @GoldenLag Both Master Watt MWE (550W) and Lite 600W are not recommended because they regulate 5V and 12V together, wich is bad for modern PSU. You want something that regulates every of the 3 major rails independantly.

But for someone else, isn't it? Here something resembling a review: https://ru.gecid.com/power/gigabyte_p650b/

Its not a wrong price. But its possible tue to different import cost, importeurs and thus different margins for them. That's why looking at the price is important. PS: the FSP is the better one anyway!

That's not DC-DC, that's dual Mag Amp for the S12-3. The difference: one is Analogue, the other digital. One requires load, the other does not.

Easy solution: Just look at the Label.

So you don't care if the Protection is lacking, the PSU not that great and might not even hold a candle to the competition, as long as the right label is on the PSU?? The S12-3 doesn't seem to have OCP on minor rails. That#s a major disadvantage. And there aren't many good Reviews. The 500W Version in the Test I've seen had rather high ripple. So either be quiet Pure Power 11 or not the Seasonic.

They don't make fun of the Monitor. They make fun of the Stand and the Price of the Stand. ITs just a bit of metal and at 1/3 the Price it wouldn't be as bad, though still pretty bad...

Yes it is. And do you know what protection is switching the PSU off?? And what is SCP? How was it implemented? What Protection does latch? THAT is what I meant... No, it depends on the Wattage. On a 500W you can probably omit it. On a 1500W you must not. Multi Rail = Breakers in your Box. You usually don't need them either. You have them so that the cables in the wall don't catch fire. And in some weird systems (*caugh* UK *caugh*) you have 32A lines/Breakers and need another one in the component. What is less dangerous? 50A OCP or 150A OCP? Especially when a shitty connection is enough to prevent "SCP" Detection... As someone with some kind of electronics background that's pretty obvious to me. But also high current with low Voltage are even more dangerous than the same current with higher voltages because the Resistance of the Cable overall is far more with 12V than in 230VAC as we are talking about some milliohm that are needed for a short to be detected...

for aPFC units it is safe. For other devices you have to check the Voltage, if 230VAC is allowed or not.

Sometimes yes, sometimes not. Here an eye opening review with a Unit where they messed up OPP and nothing can stop it... https://www.hardwareluxx.de/index.php/artikel/hardware/netzteile/29916-enermax-triathlor-eco-650w-und-lepa-maxbron-700w-im-test.html?start=3 ITS GERMAN! Because no UVP is there... UVP on 12V is missing on many 8pin Chips. You might want to look up HY-510N for example. WT7510 doesn't have UVP on 12V as well. And probably some other units as well. And SCP is just Marketing Propaganda as that is a product of either OCP, UVP or other stuff. ...wich isn't implemented in some units at all. While other units have two independent OTP Implementations... So can't be that expensive... And what happens if you have a resistance in a cable? It reduces the current that allows to flow through... So without measuring the voltage drop on the other end, you don't know the Resistance., And that there might be something wrong there... But if you measure the Voltage drop on that cable, you basically have OCP anyway. So why not do it that way in the first place?? PS: Back in the day, the Multi Rail was done with LM393 and 339, depending on the Rails. My 4 Rail Enhancy thing with 650W and 80mm fan (and a total garbage fan controller) has a WT7510 and two (SMD) 339 right next to it. Another HEC 2 Rail also had the WT7510 and an LM393 (or was it the 339?? I don't remember) right next to it for the Rails.... So you can either use a WT7518, wich seems to be the preferred way, or design it with a random jellybean component from whatever you feel like.

Don't worry, you didn't think about it. But with all those Westmere Hype Threads, its better to make sure that you own it and not plan to buy one. Yeah, that's often the case with Prebuilt systems, that you have no way to overclock. That's not what they are made for.... GPU might be a bit on the low end though... That's not a bad price, not bad at all. And what it should cost. Problem is: a "normal" Consumer Motherboard cost about as much as both of those combined. Only the Board. Yeah, the price is more than fair for such an old machine. And you should be OK for a year or so, to save up for a better machine.

no... For example the System Power 9 has a couple of Jap Caps in the 5VSB Circuit. But you'd want to get the rest in order anyway. And its not necessarily important either.

That's totally false. Thos are all pretty OK to decent PSU. Nothing wrong with them for the Price... There are worse PSU such as the Seasonic S12II-Bronze with up to 620W that are to avoided. Those? Not so much!

True, FX 8 Cores should be able to be gotten for 200-250€ with a decent quality Board - with everything you need, meaning Metal Shroud, PSU, Harddrive and so on. CPU was sold off for ~50€ or so a couple of weeks ago in Germany... Yeah, mostly because Am3+ was a consumer Plattform with Boards from 50-250€ (or more), while X58 was high end with Boards starting at around 150€ if you're lucky with many in the 200€ range. With existing designs that were "just" updated for the new specification. So its a bit unfair to compare 100€ COmponents (NEW) with 300-900€ ones...

You can try looking through the Menu of the TV and look if it has something that sounds like "Game Mode", Reduced Inputlag or something in that direction...

You should stop that... I don't want to speculate, we have to wait and see. 5GHz are in theory possible. The real question is what were the Design Goals for AMD. The rumored 5GHz Special Editions can or can not happen but its unclear if it is existing silicon or if it will be made in a different process or be an optimized Zen2. At this time its not even clear if its made in TSMC's N7 or N7+... And if its N7, its possible that the 5GHz Parts come in N7+ or even N6 or N5...

And where is it measured, what does the Temperature mean?! Often its some bullshit tCASE Spec that nobody here can actually measure... Do you have actual Proof or is that just speculation on your part?! You have the Tec Spec to how to measure the Temperature or what it actually means?? Where and how to measure?? Here the Spec from Intel: https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/000005597/processors.html AMD CPUs are way heavier than Intel and also have a far beefier Copper Heatsink on the CPU as well. Without knowing what and how AMD did specify it, its a useless measure. No, because in general they don't clock too well. Back in the day, nobody would care about a 5 Year old Processor, let alone a 10 Year old one... And that you still can use 10 Year old CPUs show that there was a standstill for the last 10 years with only little improvement each generations. Back in the day, the 15-20% improvement from the last generation was common, even 50-100%, depending on the use case and the CPU. The differences were so enormous that CPU-Old needed almost than double the frequency to somewhat compete with the next generation. Example: http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/80486/AMD-AMD-X5-133ADW (Am5x86-P75).html Why so salty?? You should always keep the price in mind and look what new stuff cost. And compare the old price with the new Price. But 150€ for a 10 Year old, mostly gone, Motherboard is just rediculous. Even the ~50€ CPU doesn't help much. Back in the day that was the difference between 80386SX/16 and a 550MHz K6-2 or 450MHz Pentium 2. Or take the 79-89-99-2009 timeframe: 79: Intel 8088, 5MHz (though cost down 8086 wich was released a year prior -> 8bit Bus vs. 16bit on the 8086) and also the legendary Motorola 68000. 89: 80486-25MHz (DX) 99: Pentium 3 up to 700MHz, Coppermine, Athlon (IIRC up to 750 or 800MHz in that year) 09: Phenom 2, Core i7-960 (both top at around 3,2GHz or so) 19: Ryzen 3000 series, Intel i9-9900K and some HEDT Server Parts with 28-32 Cores, later 64. 1. We do not know if he has it or intends to buy. That is an important piece of Information 2. Its a 10 Year old CPU, that it can still be used for something is amazing 3. It won't last for too long and only he knows if he will be happy with whatever it does.

Nobody cares about either of those. But you have to compare those with other systems as well, such as Ryzen 5/1600 wich is available at under 115€ right now, because the LGA1366 Boards are rediculously expensive. 150€+ for a Standard mid range one for example. And thus, looking at the Ryzen 1600 and 1600X makes sense. And what do they get at Default: 1183 (@3,6GHz, DDR4-3200) and 1245 for the 1600X (with DDR4-2933) And those Plattforms, with an entry level Board, aren't even more expensive and you get it new, WITH WARRANTY! The X5670 doesn't make too much sense today, it did a couple of years ago when it was a cheap 6 Core CPU (with SMT), today it doesn't.

There is a chance but only with 2 Slot GPUs. And you might lose access to S-ATA Ports. If you want to risk it, you can. But I don't give it more than 50/50... HOWEVER: You have to remove one of the Fans in the GPU Department, I think... I think might be wrong. I looked at my RVZ-01 and it looks like there is a chance that it might actually fit/work. There is no wall to limit the size of the PCB into the direction the Impact is larger. The real issue is the GPU, that due to the Board the max size of the GPU is limited and might actually interfere with the Board... So without a GPU or a single Slot GPU it will work. With a Dual Slot I don't know. Its possible...

At least its not EGS Exclusive... And @Sauron With the Subscription based model you get the Whole game and all features for a small fee Each month. There is no hidden cost or other stuff. Though there might be some things you can pay for... With F2P you get a reduced Experience and have to pay for everything. The most awful examples of those are some Browser Games or Mobile (Phone) ones...

Yes and what does the 1100T cost? WITH BOARD! What does the X5675 cost? Or rather what were the cost at the time... ähm, you say already 63°C on AMD but keeps it under 85°C?? I'd say 63°C is lower than 85°C... Yes but buying it new is not recommended except for collectors. For daily use a new Ryzen System makes more sense.

In that case it might make more sense to wait for the X570 and get a lower end one of those... The X570 are rather Expensive due to PCIe 4.0 and other stuff. I'd look at those. Keep the money and get a new Board with the 3700 or 3800. That, to me, makes more sense...

Avoid A320 Boards for the Ryzen Boards! They are the Buttom of the Barrel and won't get Zen2 Support, @XR6 Mentioned some good Boards. Coolers -> look at Noctua, be quiet, for cheaper Options Scythe maybe EKL. And I'd Standardize on for example Scythe Mugen 5 or be quiet Shadow Rock Slim, Shadow Rock 2 for all but the highest End System. For those I'd either go 240 or 280mm AIO but personally I don't like them and would prefer Dual Tower. Either Dark Rock PRO or Noctua NH-D15. Power Supplys, either Corsair, CX minimum, or be quiet. For ATX, 400W Minimum. Can't messup much with either of those. System Power U9 for lower end, Pure Power 11 for Mid Range, Upper Midrange and High End 550W Straight Power 11, for Overkill Dark Power Pro 11, 850W. EVGA PSU are mostly shit. If you absolutely have to go for EVGA PSU for whatever Reason, B3 for the lower end, G2/3 for the higher end. But even I have Problems keeping up with all the nonsense they are putting out. At this point they are either totally incompetent and don't know what they are doing or evil and do that to disrupt other, smaller, manufacturers from doing good. And personally, I'd prefer smaller Companys -> be quiet, Silverstone. Just to name two (Silverstone is OK starting with 80plus Gold units). Why no VEGA?? There are some dirt Cheap Options. Over here the Blowers can be gotten for as low as 230€. Right now the Gigabyte is at that Price. The RX590 is a whopping 10€ cheaper... They are also somewhat OK, you could also change the Upper Mid Range from the i5-8600K to Ryzen 2700X or keep the Ryzen 3600X in mind. Allegedly they Launch at the same Price. Problem with Ryzen 3600X: You need someone with the 200GE to flash the BIOS before you can use them SSD; As said, I'd use a different one. Some people Seem like Crucial. Personally, I'd look for 500GB and 1000GB for Mid Range and higher, sacrificing the HDD. Maybe also look at putting it into the Budget eSports one. You can replace the Ryzen 3/2200G with a Ryzen 3/1200, 1300X or so to fit the 500GB SSD inside the Budget. 1TB SSDs start at only 90€ or so. Yeah, the 200GE is the best solution at that Pricepoint. Its about the same as a A Pentium but comes with SMT enabled, so 4 Threads instead of two. That is important because there are Games that either don't start or crash with only 2 Thread CPUs. ^what he said. I totally agree with it. Though I'd also liked to see a VEGA in one of the Builds, especially because they are so cheap.

Yeah, you said that. And that might be the Problem. Old TVs can have rediculously high Input lags of 150ms or more. That is why I asked if you have a PC Monitor! Those often have negligable Input Lag. You might need an Adaptor but its only to see if it works.

That was the SOI one, wasn't it? That might even be the best one due to Insulator. Do you know someone fluent in Vulkan/OpenGL Programming? If so, write a little Programm that does measure the Latency of the Memory... But I doubt that there is a big difference in latency. If there is a difference its the Interface/protocoll, the DRAM Cells are the same...