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Stefan Payne

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  1. No, its 50€ or so lower, probably less... Why?! Its just a Marketing thing from nVidia that has no real positive effects... Especially since there wasn't a new PhsyX Game in Years and AMD seem to get more and more developers to their side... And cost how much performance? 60%?? Downsampling aka VSR is implemented in the AMD Driver Suit for years. So that claim is not valid... ...and it doesn't even cost performance at all, while the nVidia Features you listed do. CPU has far better quality. AMD mentioned a new Video encoding Engine... CPU is to be prefered if possible because of better quality. But its not known at this point. If possible I'd look at the 8 Core 3700X or 3800X no, there isn't much difference in performance but huge in price Without "Raytracing" implementation, no. And if or if not, we do not know. right now its like TnL of the Geforce 256 or 32bit rendering on Riva TNT (not 2!): nice on paper but useless to totally useless. It might or might not be interesting in 2025 or so. But not in the forseeable future...
  2. Nope. MCE is the "Auto Overclocking" the Motherboard comes with and boosts the Core higher than it was intended/specified... What IIRC has to be enabled is "EIST" or however its called (power saving stuff).
  3. Zen2 has higher "IPC" though and better FPU than Zen1... And it was only a quick demonstration on a press event. With unoptimized Motherboards/BIOS and lack of knowledge of the Overclockers. That might (or might not) increase when they have more experience with the Plattform... Why not wait and see???
  4. No, same result. If the Problem was the same or not is not known and can not be verified no more. But you cheap out on important components and that is the reason why it runs the way it does. Right now I'd save for a good Board that supports Ryzen 3600 and then upgrade to that. Ryzen really do not like DDR4-2133 Memory!
  5. Neither, get an Athlon 200GE as that is the cheapest Zen CPU. And you need that to flash the BIOS anyway. Wait until next month and get a Ryzen 3600 or 3600X for the same amount of money as the 2700 but better...
  6. +50% bandwith is though. XBOX One X Bandwith is right between RX580 and VEGA... We have to wait and see. It might be possible that they increase the Shader Count to 3072 or so. But only time will tell, in 1,5 Years there are rumors of better/cheaper manufacturing technologys from TSMC...
  7. That's the Clock you can expect with a Parcours of tested AMD Games. Wendel mentioned that in his last AMD Video: That's the max clock the Chip can archieve within the limits of the Card. No, not at all. The boost clock is the clock that the Card can clock to under some circumstances. Base clock is the guaranteed clockrate. Game Clock is the average clockrates in 24 AAA and E-Sports titles that AMD tested. Wendel described it in the Video somewhere.
  8. The one X has a 384bit Memory Interface and 12GiB of GDDR5 SDRAM at 6,8Gbps and also 40CU, RX580 only has 36... So its a bit more than the 580, how much more? I have no idea... The XBox One X clocks the GPU at 1172MHz, 580 depends. Yeah, the XBox One X GPU never saw the light of day in the Consumer market. Would be interesting to see where it would have been with 40CU and so on... So that said, both Console makers have the choice of choosing the amount of CU they want. They probably have some estimates from AMD what that would cost, how much performance can ge gained and how much heat it might produce...
  9. I'd expect them to get some kind of a deal similar to what they get right now. That is that they are responsible for manufacturing and pay AMD an "adminstrative" Fee for each chip... Remember, we're talking about ~150Million or more for both consoles over their lifetime. And a piece of Hardware that will be finalized in the next year or so, its still in "early development" and 1,5 Years away. So imagine we're beeing around mid 2011, 2012 and speculating about Consoles... However, as for the Price of the Normal Console: We can assume that both are in the 399€ ballpark, maybe one upping the other with 349 or even 299€ and selling at cost. But probably not a 499€ device... Hell even the PS4 PRO was 399€... And that's what I paid for it (with Horizon Zero Dawn in the Box)... I think that is an awesome list, that we should keep in mind: https://vgsales.fandom.com/wiki/Launch_price And guess wich consoles were the failures. Hint: the $499 ones...
  10. The statement you were responding to was more correct than you! Because only some people at AMD know what the Chip was that was shown a ~2 Weeks ago. RX5700 point towards the smaller because that is how AMD named their cards for more than 20 years. And almost 20 years, the 2nd number after the Generation the 8 is the higher end, the 7 the lower end. As @leadeater said, the XBox 360 (as well as Playstation 3) was a pretty high end Console, that competed with high end PCs at the time. Heat isn't an issue as the XBox one X has more than shown. ANd that is over 200W. And also PSU aren't an issue either, with modern Topologys. 400W with up to 95% at 230VAC shouldn't be too expensive, especially since they don't need to comply to 80plus... And VEGA is also pretty darn efficient, if you clock it down. I need to do some testing at ~RX480 Clockrates but I'd bet that there isn't much difference at all between them or the difference in power consumption is negligible at similar clock rates. That isn't really an argument as the power consumption is also a product of voltage and clock rate. And a wider Chip usually is much more efficient than a narrower but higher clocked ones. Also there is NO EVIDENCE about the Navi they will or will not use. All that is known is "Navi". That's it. For both Console manufacturers. Sony spoilered that its an 8 Core Zen2. But that's about it. And of course the SSD of the PS4 that is said (by Cerny) to be faster than everything we have right now. How "big" the Navi GPU inside the Scarlet and PS5 is, is pure speculation! But even a Navi GPU with 4096 shaders (or rather 3072) is entirely possible... What is also unknown is the manufacturing process. I doubt they will use N7 for that. They might actually use either N7+ or N6. And that might even mean reduced cost... Why not just take it as they said and leave it there? We do not know what they are planning, what they will do, what will come. All we have are pretty vague information about the Console. Nothing definitive... Heck the Information about the PS5 is slightly better than the new XBox... But does it really matter?! Because there is one thing you are missing: The new XBox is ~1,5 Years away! They said "HOLLIDAY 2020" that means: December 2020. So there might be one simple reason why they weren't more precise: Because they don't know it themselves (yet)!! Real Information will be released next year on E3! I'd assume. Until then, why talk about that?! And yes, 120fps in DECEMBER 2020 look more plausible than right now...
  11. X - doubt. Lets just wait until tomorrow and see what happens...
  12. Bad idea.. Tomorrow is the announcement of NAVI. Should wait for that - and the reaction. No, because Crossfire just does not work most of the times, with most games that come out this year. There are a couple but not many... And that's without the Scaling Problems.
  13. Your options there are limited and that is the best you can get that is of decent quality.
  14. So you don't want to use your stuff for the next 5-10 years and are happy if it survives 2 years... You can ask someone going on holliday to Europe or the US to bring you a PSU... Yes but I doubt the GTX 960 is much better than the IGP of the 2400G... Yes, its that good that the nVidia 1030 is pointless/about the same as the AMD GPU.
  15. NO;the M12II is far worse than the CX! That means that the M12II with 750W or more is OK. The M12II with 620W or less is to be avoided. I don't get why you want the Seasonic so much. Its an almost 10 year old PSU with lacking protection. The caps don't save the unit!! The Rest have to be decent before you should look at the Caps! Its not about the wattage its about whats inside and how its build. Often there is a cut and you technically talk about two completely different units that happen to have the same name but otherwise NOTHING in common. And that's the Problem here and the reason why we differentiate between Wattages... I don't care about that and frankly don't like fully modular units much as that is a potential for errors/problems...
  16. You didn't?! And what is that then?! WE DO NOT KNOW THAT! WE DO NOT KNOW WICH PART AMD DEMONSTRATED ~2 WEEKS AGO! It can be the bigger part. It can be the slower part. We do not know, when the BIG NAVI will come either. Allegedly Navi was respun and should have been released in March, instead of the Radeon 7. You make some steep claims... Because: a) we do not know what kind of Navi GPU the consoles will have b) how much Memory and how fast c) how wide the Memory d) because Navi wasn't officially released, M$ couldn't talk about that much anyway... I really don't get why you say such things, when all you have to do is wait less than 24h to know. What if you're totally wrong?! What we do know is that, at the same clock, Navi is said to be 25% faster and consumes 50% the power of VEGA. And that is all we do know about Navi. And that one of the Navi Cards is called RX5700. And that card is about on par with the RTX2070. But everything else is speculation. We don't know anything about that. NOBODY DOES! And everyone that asked AMD got a smile and "E3" as an Answer... They have proven that they can improve things beyond expectations with the Ryzen 3600-3900 release ~2 Weeks ago, so why assume anything less than a day before the release - with prices!
  17. Wel, don't know about the RSX but the Xenos was absolutely ahead of its time and the first GPU to feature unified shader, wich was really introduced with the DX10 cards... But yeah, after that we had more or less PC Architectures and less innovative Chip designs in consoles...
  18. That sucks... Maybe but a 1TB HDD is kinda pointless... They make sense in 2TB wich usually is only 25% or so more than the 1TB or 4TB wich often is only around double the cost of 1TB... And a HDD is easily added later. Its really easy to do, just buy it, mount it, format it and use it. Less than 5min... And you can always buy one later... If Corsair, get the CX, that is way better than the VS. Even the 450W should be preferred!
  19. Naa, GPU wasn't that great. It was still a CineFX based unit, even though nVidia didn't mention it much, it suffered from the same Problems as the Geforce FX: the pipeline included TMUs so when the Chip was texturing, it stalls the Shaders. And there was a bug in the design as well, where there was a couple of Megabyte between CPU and GPU, though I forgot what the Conditions for that were. It might be CPU Accessing GPU Memory... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RSX_Reality_Synthesizer#Speed_table and from what I heard using the SPE were also a bit weird as well. So nobody really used them... XBox 360 wasn't too far off, though the CPU wasn't out of order and a 3 Core Power PC at 3,2GHz with SMT, but in order... I'm not sure about the PS3 main Power PC CPU, if that was the same model or an out of order one. The sad thing is that there were many games that didn't perform that great on the PS3 and performed far better on the XBox 360...
  20. Why claim it at all?! We do not know if the RX5700 is the lower or higher spec part, that is just pure speculation from your end. AMD has NEVER said where it was and all questions about Navi were answered with "E3".
  21. No, wait for Ryzen 3600 and get that. According to rumors that model (or was it the 3600X??) beat the 2700...
  22. That's not true. We don't know (yet), if that was the Top Tier Navi they have right now or the lower end part. We only know it exist and performs around the 2070 level. That's all we do know. We will know more tomorrow at this time. Until then, that claim is just speculation from you without any basis. But the Name "RX5700" doesn't support your claim. Because the last Card with the 7 as the Performance Qualifying Number was in 2002 and called "Radeon 9700", after that it was either 8 or 9... So what is the RX5800 and how will it look and what will be the RX5900?? And just assume real lazy naming: Was the RX570 the "top tier Polaris" or was it the RX580??
  23. Worse... It seems what @Crunchy Dragon said was what M$ said in that Presentation... And he just made fun of that... IIRC they didn't say that. What they did say was "120fps" a couple of times but I don't recall it beeing in the context of 4k... But it could be possible, though at "Console Detail Level", wich is normally a mix of medium and high. Its not that far up the scale... But really, I doubt it at 4K and they mean either 1080p or 1440p at best...
  24. Send it back where it came from, wait a month and get a Ryzen 3600 with a decent Board... Or right now get a decent B450 Board such as the ASROCK B450 PRO4 with a Ryzen 1600 or 2600.
  25. Can't you wait until 7.7 The Seasonic is clearly the worst, together with the EVGA. There is no contest in that, AVOID! Same with the Deepcool. Also AVoid. The Corsair and Cougar is slightly better but still nothing I'd get. What I'd do: Scrap the spinning rust device and get a 500GB SSD, that saves you around 15-20€. You need that for a better quality PSU! Look at our Tier List, TIer B or better... PS: that shop is pretty awful, you can't find something easily...
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