Stefan Payne

If they do that, they'd integrate the GPU into the I/O Die. And remember, APUs traditionally have half the PCIe Lanes of the CPUs in total. The CPUs have 32 Lanes, of wich 20+4 are usable, the APUs only have 16 Lanes, 4 for the chipset and for compatibility reasons 4 for NVME (or 2PCie + 2SATA)... And make that a bit bigger and add the CPU Die next to it. But maybe the APU will be Monolithic as it has to be cheap...

I think you mistake Memory Clocks with CPU Clocks...

True... Can't change much about Physics...

They are already there, mostly... Just look at the BIOS Section of the Board. Problem: You need a Ryzen 1000 or 2000 series CPU (or Athlon 2x0GE) to flash the BIOS. NAVI is a better option for gaming it seems as well. Only in productive loads I'd assume it gets eaten for breakfast by a VEGA Card. However it seems that AMD only ships reference cards in the Beginning... So if noise is important, the Sapphire might still be a good option...

Wait for Zen2 wich is to be released in ~3 Weeks on the 7th of July. They offer far more performance and consume less power. Disadvantage: You need an X570 Board, wich is expensive, or an older CPU to flash the BIOS of a 400 series (B450 or X470) Board... Get a good Air Cooler instead! Something like a Noctua NH-U12 or so. Those AIO Liquid Cooler mostly suck and have Problems. In short they are way less reliable as a piece of Metal. Not a fan of ASUS, especially since my X370-F Strix consumes ~15-20W more than the Biostar X370GT7 or the MSI B450I. that won't work. You need 16GiB Sticks if you want 32GiB of Memory. With 4 Sticks It might be hard to go over DDR4-2666 speeds, maybe a bit more... You could replace it with a different NVMe PCIe SSD with similar data that would allow you to double the capacity for the price... Not a fan of Seagate. Look at WD, maybe Toshiba. Even the people from the Mac Repairguy hate Seagate beacuse of their said reliability. Look for VEGA Cards and if they perform better in the Productive things you do. VEGA are beasts in productive/Compute tasks due to their raw power...

Look at the Performance of VEGA in those apps you use. Might amaze you. Otherwise, can you waste 40-50€ on a CPU that you need for a short while and then replace it with the real deal in a couple of weeks?? (7.7) I wouldn't recommend it. For varios reasons. a) if something breaks the whole system is dead and has to be replaced - if a PC breaks only the broken components needs to be replaced b) they are loud as hell c) they are really expensive No, Local Currency or €uro, as €uroland is closer than US of A...

Could be everything... Even PSU is possible as you have possibly a 12 Year or so old PSU. When the caps are done, freezing might happen. What equipment do you have to test the System? Only the parts listed or do you have known good parts from another system?

Do you have the option to wait another 3 Weeks or so? Though it looks like only Blower Cards might be available at Launch... So that leaves the CPU to be replaced by a Ryzen 3000 model... Remember: you either need an X570 Board or flash the BIOS of the B450 Board for them to run... That isn't important, the important factor is what comes out of the chips and that looks pretty impressive. If you don't care about noise too much, grab one of those. If you do, the Sapphire Nitro+ is the right one for you...

everyone suing individually might be more effective...

Naa, just keep it, clock it down and play a bit with the settings. Its better to have better RAM and not utilize it fully than have slow ram and need the frequency...

That would increase latency further. There's a reason why you prefer synchroneous or divider for clock rates and not asynchroneous as that increases complexety and frequency alike...

There is no real reason to do that. Next year with the upcoming Navi GPU, maybe. But today probably not...

Nope, there isn't much better. Especially with a "Standard Layout"...

Yes, he did And what's your take on CLWB (Generic) Instruction, write back the line from any core or cache in the system. Example: flush dirty data to NVDIMMs for persistance sounds interesting. Might they mean something like Optane?? Or do I misinterpret something?

They just need to ask someone that does Server SSD Controller. There will be someone will make it... The real Question is: Is it worth it? Does it give any benefit? Or is the advantage just not worth it...

...and Wendels Take on it, wich show many of the Slides @leadeater posted a bit earlier... And @leadeater look at 4:25min (or so) That CLWB (Generic) Instruction, write back the line from any core or cache in the system. Example: flush dirty data to NVDIMMs for persistance sounds interesting. Might they mean something like Optane?? Or do I misinterpret something?

RX 5700, coming to the shelves on 7.7...

Wait for Zen2, wich is released in less than 3 Weeks and get one of those...

Alternative: Look for Vega56 And get an Athlon 200GE until next month and then replace it with a 3600(X)... Yes, but its crap. It will throttle rather quickly... Its totally undersized for a higher end CPU...

I doubt that, look at this: They use a graphite Pad and Vapor Chamber. And the heatsink looks pretty big and low air resistance + mostly open the Slot is. And we all know that the Reviewers want to find something bad on AMD, so that they can say that nVIdia is better Look at the "shitstorm" that reviewers got for saying that the 1650 at 150€ is a shitty product that makes no sense... And people are inventing stuff to justify getting it. I have the suspicion that its a demand for OEMs such as HP, DELL and co. That is why they still use those shitty blowers because that's cheaper for the OEMs so that they can cheap out on fans and only supply the case with 1 fan, if at all... And also they can use shittier CPU Coolers as well becuase it reduces the temperature inside the case as well... Yeah, I agree. Especially with hostile media that wants to find something bad about your products so that they can recommend the Competition... For us consumers the cooler seems easily replacable... As the Backplate seems to cover the VRM and the Cooler only the CPU...

There is one thing different. Sony has shown one thing that makes the PS5 Awesome and hyped it: The Storage Device. M$ didn't even mention that.

Exactly, $75 more. And the 3900X is the same as the Intel but comes with 12 Cores and is vastly superior. AMD really made fun of the 8 COre, see the Streaming Demo in their stream. Yes, the X570 Boards are expensive - because they come with PCIe 4.0 wich requires far better PCB designs than PCIe 3.0. So that's an apples <-> oranges comparisation. And if you don't care about PCIe 4.0 at all, for whatever reason, an older X470 Board would be an Option as well, though you need a Zen2 compatible BIOS - wich can be identified by a Sticker on the Box... And what the price of X570 Boards are we don't know (yet)... AIO mostly suck. There's even a Linus VIdeo about that. The Only advantage of AIO is less stress and leverage effect on the Board. because you don't have a 1,5kg thing hanging on the Socket.

Yes and the same goes for the other side as well... In 2 games the Intel has a slight advantage, in 1 game the AMD has a huge advantage, the rest is on par. Just look at the bars yourself! https://www.planet3dnow.de/cms/47443-amd-next-horizon-gaming-infos/ On par: Cod, GTA5, Civ6, PuBG, Rocket Lague Intel advantage: DMC 5 and Overwatch (both far over 220fps) AMD Advantage: CS-GO So you are essentially saying that he doesn't want an AMD and looks for reasons to buy Intel. Why don't you say so in the first place! That he'd rather pay a good amount more for the Intel System to get less out of it... Obviously because the AMD might be at 50% of the Intel Chip and, as we know, with MCE enabled, we're talking about AMD FX9590 territory -> ~200W or even 250W... my logic is that you should look at hte diagrams again and there isn't really a big advantage for either side, they are about the same. One is here a bit better, the other one there. BUT: You only get 16 Lanes from the CPU instead of 20 (=GPU + 1 NVMe SSD). You only get PCIe 3.0 instead of 4.0, you only get 8 Cores (with SMT2) instead of 12 (with SMT2) you only get a CHipset with PCIe Gen3 You don't get as many USB Super Speed 10Gbps ports... you get far higher power consumption And no, the Intel isn't faster, see the first one, where AMD compares the 3900X with the 9920X and show +14% Single Thread performance and +6% Multi Thread... Here a Diagram of the AM4 Plattform with Zen2: https://www.planet3dnow.de/cms/47030-uebersicht-mainboards-mit-amds-x570-chipsatz/ Here something about the Z390 Plattform: https://www.anandtech.com/show/12750/intel-releases-z390-chipset-product-information So why do you want to get the WORSE PLATTFORM, that even has potentially has more security vulnerability??

It still is. Haven't seen metal Mesh for Sleeve in a long time and even they have a rubber coating on top of that.

I'd rather look at Hardware Unboxed because they weren't softballing nVidia for the 1650. Gamers Nexus however did some softballing in one of their 1660(ti?) Teardown Videos... Or a "xxx in 2019" and then bench with a 2012 or 2013 game and talk for around 5min of a 15min video about that ancient game - wich, according to L1 Techs, craps out over ~140fps anyway... But looking at a couple of other sources is a good idea anyway... wich is what exactly?? Something that might (or might not) be important in 5-10 Years?? You know the first Card with Tesselation?? Wich I still have a Low Profile one with. That was trashed with the next generation?? And then reimplemented ~10 Years later and also used at the time... How long did it take for 32bit Rendering to be viable?? I can tell you: 2,5-3 generations later -> TNT introduced it, TNT2, Geforce 256 (here it started to get interesting), Geforce 256/DDR/Geforce 2 (and here it became mostly usable9. How long did it take for TnL to be useful??