Toby

About 45$ for a Logitech g400 I'm thinking about getting the xornet could I palm grip it?

Assuming you measured that 17cm from the base of your palm to the tip of your middle finger, then...You could try? If you're happy to return it/refund it then it might be worth a shot, but if you need to like the first thing you get, I'd say no (it's 10cm long. Find a tape measure and imagine trying to use a mouse that size).

Check the Zowie EC2 Evo and Roccat Savu prices. Are they less than $45?

ok what mouse would you recommend for 35$? I like the plam grip

 

you are right I have one LG 17" 1280x1024 monitor and what is a paper round?

Delivering papers. They might be called paperboys in the US. I think the job still exists...

Edit: I'm not good with US vendors. Decent mice on Newegg/Amazon seem to start at $45, Xornet/G100s aside. What's the cheapest you can find a G400/G400s for?

dude, i got the deathadder 2013. it goes from 100-6400 dpi. i can change it. i WANT it at 4500. btw i have a dpi clutch for sniping set to 300 dpi

I understood you. I'm saying you'd perform better at a lower DPI.

The Xornet. No question.

That said, I imagine it'd be a bit short for you unless you switch to a fingertip grip. At that price range you're really not in the market for anything that could be described as "decent". The sole exception might be this, which has a sensor as good as any mouse out there, but you're sacrificing the existence of side-buttons.

Can't you get a paper round or something?

WTF.I could swear that Azio mouse was almost the same as mine.

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It's just different materials and colours

They probably are the same. It's not unusual for lower-end companies to use the same OEM and just slap their own branding on it. Hell, even the higher-end companies do it from time to time.

tbh they all suck. Like seriously? 2000dpi...... my $14 logitech mouse it 3000. Im running like 4500 dpi right now. although the average mouse is at around 2500-3000. But if anything the first one. But just like GPUs. adding another $10 to your price range and you can get a decent mouse

DPI doesn't signify the quality of a mouse. If you're running 4500dpi on a 1080p screen with EPP off and 6/11 pointer speed, you'd probably be better off lowering it (edit: Just saw your sig. At proper settings, 4500dpi will be detrimental to your performance).

Until you get to 4k or multi-monitor setups, 2k should be enough for anybody (and considering he can't afford more than $25 on a mouse, I'm guessing 4k/multi-monitor is unlikely).

guys, I am also looking for a mobile mouse pad, one that isn't too large and can just be thrown in with my documents into my folders.

Is there anything in particular that would come in useful for what you do? I'm thinking along the lines of a side-scrollwheel, Roccat's easyshit+ and Logitech's hyperscroll (you might have to look those up).

Aside from that, there's really no "best". I'm assuming you're a right-handed palm gripper?

that mouse is a straight rip-off the G602

You mean the G602 is a straight rip-off of the Rapoo 7800p.

I imagine Rapoo are fine for browsing the web and stuff, they just aren't a gaming brand (yet).

G90 is an entry-level G100s variant that will only ship in China.

Is Logitech aware of the desire for a new G9x-esque mouse? I know you can't say if anything's actually being made, but is Logitech aware of the demand?

There's a huge hole in the market for a "stumpier" mouse while palm mice are a dime a dozen.

maybe ugly to you i think it looks really good.

It's like Logitech and Madcatz spawned a child.

i do now know about that mouse but the G502 looks amazing

Did you mean ugly? I think you meant ugly.

The sensor's interesting though, and if there is a new G90 coming I look forward to it. There aren't enough short mice for fingertip grippers.

For League and TF2? Rival, on account of the superior sensor.

Cherry switches are cherry switches. I can't imagine anything else there would make as much of a difference to you.

That said, the G400 would be a nice upgrade to your mouse, if you decided to pass up the keyboard.

I just don't get all of this mechanical keyboard BS.  I use Inland wireless keyboard sold in Microcenter and I believe I payed $14 for it.  I've go to say it's the best wireless keyboard I have ever owned.  It's crazy responsive almost too much...LOL!!! and typing is pure joy.  It makes my fancy shmancy acrylic Enermax keyboard and Logitech perform like garbage.  I can't say for how long it's going to last but so far so good.

 

my .2

Have you typed on a mechanical keyboard?

Having the resolutions in a sub-menu of a sub-menu is still stupid. Captions has it's own button for christ sakes, surely more people want to select 720p/1080p than turn on subtitles?

I play CS, and everybody just says optical is best for fps and blah blah blag, and my current mouse (m60) sometimes it skips pixels because I don't use a really high dpi (I've been told that's the reason) and apparently optical is just better, so I guess that if I'm going to get a new mouse might as well get an optical one and finally see what the fuzz is, so yeeeah

Right. I was going to say the G602 doesn't actually have a perfect sensor despite being optical, but on further investigation it seems it might. There seems to be a conspicuous lack of info on the G100s and G602 (which uses the G100s' sensor) if they do stand alongside the likes of the G400s/DA/Rival etc.

You specify optical, so I'm going to ask why you want an optical mouse specifically?

The low profile keyboard and nexus mice have already been mentioned. You can't get quieter than those without resorting to touch pads to my knowledge.

they guys said that there should be not acceleration but i use it meaning its personal prefrence

No it doesn't. He didn't say you can't play with acceleration, he said you shouldn't. The fact that you use it doesn't mean it isn't worse.

I think DPI settings is a bigger factor than sensor quality or the mouse itself. The title "FPS/MMO/whatever mouse" means absolutely nothing outside of the potential for it to be slightly more tailored towards that related audience.

Being able to quickly adjust DPI, use multiple DPI settings, and/or customize the DPI of your mouse is far more important to me. While I definitely know that my mouse isn't amazing, it does more than enough just because it's comfortable, grippy enough, right form for my mouse grip and has customizable DPI settings.

I meant to mention this, but it passed my mind. What DPI do you use, Aleks? I'd hesitate to use the word "most", but certainly a lot of people could use with lowering their DPI. Also, what are your windows mouse settings (pointer speed and enhanced pointer precision specifically)?

Will it improve your playing ability? Probably not. Will it remove potential hindrances? Possibly.

The main benefit, imo, is reassurance and confidence in your equipment. If doing well matters to you, you'll never have to wonder if that shot you just missed by a couple of pixels was down to your mouse. That's the kind of thing that can get in your head and distract you. Now, that might not sound like a huge deal, but your state of mind is a huge factor in how well you play. Of course, if your grip isn't suited to the mouse you're using for example, then a new mouse might do wonders.

i use mouse acceleration when i play fps on my death adder

Therefore...?

Thanks for the warm welcome. 

 

How is it viewed as a warning? You seem like someone who is well educated in this arena. I would love to hear more about this 

It seems like the other replies to you pretty much covered it. The perception of Razer is such that people will assume they're cheaping out rather than trying to improve or mix things up, so Kailh switches end up taking a hit to their reputation merely by being used by Razer, even though there doesn't seem to be any actual evidence of Kailh's inferiority to Cherry.

I'm not entirely sure in what way Tesoro and Max Keyboards are linked (I'm assuming sister company?), but it's similar to how everyone was paranoid that Max keyboards were simply rebrands of some poorly regarded iOne/Xarmor boards. I remember they had to outline all the ways their boards differed down to the colour of the PCB and such to try and persuade people they weren't the same ones.

Laser is much more sensitive, but what I'm interested in that no one has pointed out yet is that the biggest selling point of laser is durability, an optical mouse stops working because something gets in it or it falls etc.

That's a new one. You sure you aren't thinking of ball mice?

Is it noticeable? To some. Is there a difference? Absolutely.

When we're talking about precision in games like FPS, you might be moving your mouse across half the screen within half a second and so you might not notice the acceleration cause your cursor to overshoot by a few pixels, but it could be the difference between hitting your target and missing.

Kailh is the same company that Razer is now using in their keyboards as well.

Tech forums are more likely to see that as a warning than a reassurance. :unsure:

That said, welcome to the forums. Tesoro certainly deserve a larger recognition.

Essentially I've tried rubber done which my current keyboard is and it's very loud, I just want it to not be audible in the microphone I use which is about 6 inches in front of it. This causes annoying key pressing noises when I do voice recordings. If browns are clicky but a more silent clicky that is fine I just don't like the loud almost pounding noise the rubber domes make on my current keyboard

Honestly, the "upstroke" of any mechanical keyboard should make more noise than any rubber dome keyboard. The noise of a mech is higher-pitched than the thump of a rubber dome as well, so I can't imagine it'd be any better, noise-wise. The quietest thing you'll find is probably some kind of scissor-switch keyboard (the kind you find on laptops).

non-cherry keyswitches are crap

Any proof of this in regards to Kailh switches, aside from the one picture of a broken yellow stem that's been around forever? I can't find anyone denouncing them except Geekhack, which doesn't really mean much.