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"meh" describes it, the undercutting obv. comes at a price.

2 hours ago, Cantaloupeman said:

So is the sensor still good?

In short yes, just keep it at 1800cpi for best results.

Chill man, one topic is enough.

Regardless, old FK will have lower motion latency, but worse cursorpath, 450 and 1150cpi are also interpolated, debounce time is also higher.

1 hour ago, djdelarosa25 said:

 

 

mousetester_log.csv

Meh, one time you reached 2,9m/s which would be slightly above the malfunction speed of the AM010, most of the times you didnt, its up to you.

Just now, djdelarosa25 said:

 

Performance vs malfunction speed is a tough choice in my situation since I'm sick of my mouse spinning out. Makes me lean toward the Rival 100.

Download microe´s mousetester, zype in your cpi, click log start, play a bit, click stop log, click plot, select xvelocitiy vs. time, profit.

Just now, HydraGaming said:

I would take the Rival 100 as RJN couldn't make it spin out which he could with the G100s.

Rival 100 review: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soSuG9fmIR4

G100s review: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQ3yhz93EGo

 

Malfunction speed aside, the G100s has the better performance though.

Oh and i use around 55cm/360° unzoomed, in games with ADS it depends on the implementation but i usually opt for 75cm/360° while zoomed then.

Just now, benga said:

I saw some CSGO players with very low settings and thought it was odd.
 

Not really, especially given the map design in CS, the turning speed is only limited by what the sensor and your arm are capable of, easy example:

Player A uses 400cpi at 2 sens and moves the mouse at 1.5m/s

Player B uses 800cpi at 2 sens and moves the mouse at 0.6m/s

Obv. Player A will have faster cursormovement despite lower sensitivity.

The TorQ X5 has the best bang for buck, being S3988 with a ARM M0 from NXP, also performs slightly better than the DA Chroma.

Just now, Dash Lambda said:

Logitech bragged about the wireless on the G900, and with good reason, as it even beat out a number of wired mice in terms of reliability and precision.

... But how does it compare to the G502?

 

I understand why Logitech would leave their own mice out of the comparison, but I'd really like to know how it stacks up.

~1ms difference in motion latency, not as smooth due to some errors in the polling, still better than 99% of other mice available though, no difference when used wired besides a different SROM.

It is probably using A5050, which is an office sensor, would suggest to rather save your money.

WTF, how many threads do you want to open for basically the same questions.

And yes, they are using the same sensor, and since it is a SoC they all perform the same, only difference is in shape and number/arrangement of buttons.

Just now, Cantaloupeman said:

cool thanks man I appreciate it I think this mouse is definitely worth considering

 

I actually made a mistake, i wanted to write "could be better". Besides shape there is no reason to get it.

Just now, Cantaloupeman said:

Sorry mate i just didnt understand the wording i dont know a whole lot about sensors.

Basically, the hardware is good/has potential, but the Operating System couldnt be better, in practice it wont be as responsive as other options.

Just now, Cantaloupeman said:

so overall does that mean this is a good sensor also what is the sensor in it?
 

As written 3090, and it comes down to implementation not jsut the sensor itself, which as written as well, isnt particularly good either.^^

Hardware is decent, Firmware not so much, motion latency is on the high end of the spectrum and the debounce time is around 20ms, LOD is 3090 typical, rather high. malfunction speed is sufficient.

Just now, huilun02 said:

No reason not to leave at max.

That depends on Firmware and Hardware, quite a lot of mice arent handling 1000hz particularly well.

Just now, Kraze said:

What does g mean in regards to acceleration? 

 

It´s g-force.

Just now, Kraze said:

 

Edit:

 

I've been looking into the SS Rival 300 again and from the looks of it, it may replace the Zowie as a candidate or even potentially be the winner due to the shape. I think I'll try my friend's SS Rival 300 again because last time if I remember I didn't seem to enjoy holding it (But then again that was only around 2 minutes). As for specs wise, the SS Rival 300 seems to have the same sensor as the Zowie FK1 so I'm guessing it may run well on 1000Hz? By the way, what is enCoRe III?

If you like 3.0like shapes then you can also take a look at the CM Storm Alcor, or wait t and see how the Ventus X Optical turns out.

The Rival 300´s implementation isnt particularly good either, but at least you good a little bit more than the Zowie´s Hardwarewise, it also runs a bit better on 1000hz but i would still rather recommend 500 with it.

enCoRe III is the MCU line that is used in the Zowie´s, specifically CY7C64215, which is over 10 years old and has been used in the Deathadder 3G and DA 3.5G, which is no surprise because the Zowie´s are designed and produced by the same people as the early DA 3G.

Just now, Wurtze said:

However, I would have to recommend the Zowie FK1. Many people complain that the ergonomics of the DeathAdder Chroma is not comfortable and that, realistically, you will not notice a significant difference between the Avago 3310 and the Avago ADNS s3988 sensors. 

Actually the difference between the DA and the Zowie´s is obv., which is down to MCU and Firmware, also you should know what g means in regards to acceleration.

Just now, Kraze said:

Thanks for the information, it really helps me out. Have you heard anything about button input lag on the Zowie FK1? I've heard from multiple accounts that it has a delay from when you click the button to when it registers as a click on the computer system. Also another thing is, will the Zowie FK1 run fine on 1000hz polling rate? I've also heard that it tends to jitter. Does this have to do with the sensor? Thanks.

The debounce time has been reduced a while ago, to nothing good, but also nothing bad. And no, enCoRe III isnt running well with 1000hz. Jitter can be caused not only by the sensor but also by the Firmware.

But the more important question is what kind of mouse you want, the FK1 and the DA are different in regards to grip styles, there are alternatives to both.

Just now, The Realist said:

a Zowie FK-1 is much better for FPS gaming with a better sensor

Nope, not to mention that there is more to it than "muh sensor".

3 hours ago, asim1999 said:

It's on offer for £35

Alright, but even then you can get stuff that is better in practice, like the Alcor or G402, which are offering better performance.

Just now, asim1999 said:

 

So should i get £40 cash from parents or an M65 RGB?

Why would you specifically get a M65?

2 hours ago, Big_Chief said:

Even if the internals aren't the best, you'll more than likely perform better with something you grip comfortably. A case in point, I perform best with the Kone Pure Military and while the internals are good, they're not the best.

Best 3310 offering though, as they have customized the SROM, good FW and paired it with a MCU that isnt from the 80´s.

Yes, people are also removing it for weight loss.

1 hour ago, nobelharvards said:

Sorry about the Rival, I wasn't thinking straight. Steel Series do have a few mice with great safe shapes, but poor sensor choices. 

 

As for the inferior firmware, yes that is an issue, but Zowie is one of the best compromises between a safe shape, and performance. 

 

Apologies about any blunders, it's the early hours of the morning in Sydney. I came back to this thread just because I realised I shit talked the wrong mouse. My bad.

NP,  the annoying thing to me is that most people arent even looking into alternatives, like the Alcor instead the EC2 for example, and there are only going to be more in the future like the Ventus X Optical, the Nixeus Revel, and Logitech is also cooking up something.