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Just FYI, and for everyone to write it down: A3050: low Variance, jitter above 1000cpi A3060: low Variance, Angle Snapping, high LOD depending on implementation A3080: low Variance, Angle Snapping, high LOD depending on implementation A3090/S3888/S3095: low Variance, generally rather high LOD, exceptions depending on implementation A3090/S3095 "6x"(4000cpi) SROM: low Variance, Smoothing, generally rather high LOD AM010: low Variance, very low amount of smoothing AM010 4000cpi: low Variance, adaptive Smoothing(only above 2080cpi) PMW3310: low Variance, early SROM´s had a rather noticeable amount of smoothing PMW3320: nothing released with it yet S3988: low Variance, early SROM´s had a rather noticeable amount of smoothing A6010/S6008/S6018: low Variance, low Malfunction Speed A6090: low Variance, moderate Malfunction Speed A9500/S9500: high Variance, sometimes bugged LOD depending on implementation A9800/S9808/S9818/S9819: high Variance, early SROM´s had a rather noticeable amount of smoothing

I never said it isnt a problem, but people also have similar experiences with other brands, and as said some people had Problems with the Logitech support as well where they simply didnt respond at all for whatever reason, also you are probably aware of the Fact that the side who has been "wronged" is the one who screams the loudest. There are many people whose Deathadder´s and "whatever you name it" didnt break even after years. Not to mention that Razer had made a lot of contributions to the overall market. Skylit is the one guy who originally started the Gaming Mouse Sensor List(http://www.overclock.net/t/854100/gaming-mouse-sensor-list), but simply lost interest in public forums over time.

Well, you certainly didnt, if i hate on every Brand who has given out units that broke early, i would have to build my own peripherals. Besides you apparently havent read the whole sentence, i can see why people like Skylit just gave up at one point.

Well, there are people who have gotten G402´s and they all started to doubleclicked, there was also that complete "RMA-Outage" in Germany, where the support simply didnt respond at all, and guess what, they are flaming now on forums. As said, people have not given any kind of reason besides their own perceptions.

Nobody has given a good Reason as for why Brand X is better than Razer, besides their own perceptions

G400S has Smoothing, not Variance.

I have nothing to contribute, as the mouse is simply broken, but it is kind of related.

Too bad that most of the Information from "Experts" is plainly wrong(i hope there is no forum police that bans me , altough the cpi video is quite correct), i dont judge you for that because common misconceptions are everywhere, but you could have done your homework better, also wtf is a "faster tracking", this doesnt exist, CPI = Sensitivity, François Morier publicly explained why high CPI is going against performance, also there are much more important values to tracking than CPI. You are also missing a whole line of sensors, the Philips Twin Eye, which are using doppler interference to detect movement, also these are the ones when somebody says that "Laser" sensors have lower power consumption, but this doesnt translate towards optical systems in which the actual architecture and features determines how big the power consumption is, e.g. 3310 is the LED lit variant of the A9800(they use the same DSP and share some other stuff) and both have the same power consumption. "Newer is better" also doesnt apply to sensors, every new method that came out was "flawed" in a way for quite a while, optical sensors had a low malfunction speed when they came out(2000fps agilent sensors) and people still used their ball mice for that reason, same goes for early Laser lit sensors(A6010/6018), ONS I and PTE shared this as well. But here is the catch, while LED lit sensors for the most part have gotten straight up upgrades(A3060-->3080-->3090), the Laser lit ones have gotten a new architecture(A9500), which fixes the malfunction speed but exhibits a higher variance than the optical gaming systems, CPI in optical systems are never stable and that is called (speed related)variance, and is on the A9500 big enough that the User can actually feel, or see, what in the end is mouse acceleration. With A3090 6x SROM we also got smoothing for the first time (which ofc creates some delay as every kind of smoothing does) to counter the jitter high CPI are causing in current optical navigation systems, smoothing was then later on implemented in the "improved" version of A9500, the A9800. When it comes to Variance Twin Eye is the undisputed King with a Variance of under 0.1%, but because of the way it works, it also tracks on the Z-Axis, commonly referred to as "Z-Axis Bug", to counter that they implemented in the PLN2033 an algorithm which lowers the cpi to a minimum when the mouse is moved slowly or not at all, previous Versions didnt have this and with the latest one ,2034, it is actually toggleable. Current trend is actually going away from Laser lit sensors, and focus more on the actual characteristics of the tracking, best example are the PMW3310 and S3988, which are practically the A9800 sensor "retrofitted" with LED illumination, note that high Variance isnt a trademark of Laser illumination but of the A9500/9800 platform, and simply the endproduct of them in combination with Laserillumination. Also many people feel the difference between different sensors, and not only with different illumination methods, and it is frankly not "negligible", and since you are doing a guideline you should give the recommendations for the best performance, especially when it comes to something affordable like mice, also the difference between 5000 and 1000hz is not only feelable but also observable, since it directly influences the cursorpath. About Surface compatibility, it depends on the sensormodel in use, A9500 for example cannot track on glass. Last but not least, sensormodel alone doesnt dictate Performance, best example would be Perixx MX-1800b, which is using A3090 and hass an insanely low malfunction speed because of firmware and bad LED´s. And there are is a lot more when it comes to mice. I might have been "bashful" at some points but in the end i just want to help and clear up misconceptions, i also suggest reading up a bit on OCN. Edit: Also check out the mouse suggestion thread on OCN, i made something similar on a german forum and it works a lot better than having 5000 threads which are full of "i has mouz xy, iz bezt mouze".

Frankly you can, and if you say 3988 is a piece of shit then 3310 is an even bigger piece of shit. Im not saying that everyone that uses one is a hipster, but people who are saying it is enthusiast because mainstream has it and Zowie doesnt is Hipster behaviour, and tbh some people are buying or even using them frankly because of some kind of hype. Yeah DA´s Design until 4G was pretty old, and guess what EC essentially is and where it comes from.

No choice with WM_input games other than using the 450 cpi step, 3988 is pretty close to 3310, and technically an upgrade so yeah, i dont see the problem, and there are also some updates coming for both. From my POV Zowie is just being "Hipster" not enthusiast, well lightweight is good, but they also arent that light in comparison to the competition, i also dont see the problem with having a config tool and onboard memory, or flashable firmware for that matter, if you like Huano switches, than thats your preference, 1st gen EC1 with omron had a much better click feeling without pretravel to me, not to mention that Huanos are actually the cheaper option, lowering max cpi on purpose is just plainly retarded, plug and play can be achieved via onboard memory,and i could go on and on. But i guess using a design from 2006 and adding massive pretravel and click latency is enthusiast, i praised them back in 2011, but frankly they have gone nowhere and to make that "1% improvement gear" you need money and ressources, and frankly i dont see that coming with half-assed solutions.

3.5G has much better Interpolation, i also dont see the Problem with 3988, especially in regards to upcoming updates, the definition of superb tracking might vary as well. I dont see how Zowie is "enthusiast driven", their MCU´s are from 2007 and there are many other things, just because they do one specific thing in a specific way doesnt make them "enthusiast". Not to mention that your argument about the DA also works with the EC. And Mionix, well, maybe they could start doing their own R&D, but i dont want to go into that.

Sensor isnt everything, MX-1800 is one of the worst 3090 implementations, very low PCS, cursorpath isnt the best as well. My recommendation to the OP is to save a bit more and buy "proper Gear", everything under 20$ is using sensors like the 5050 or worse, which are more than subpar for gaming, and i dont even want to begin with the other components.

DA Chroma is 74.98£, and M65 RGB 74.50£ on amazon uk.

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By that logic he shouldnt buy anymouse because this can happen(and is happening) with any Brand or Mouse. Cheaped out? How so? Their first few Products(Deathadder, Viper, Diamondback) have been bought OEM Products, now they are doing their own R&D, how is that cheaping out? I dont want to derail the thread but this kind of Brandbias is something i cant stand.

Not more than others do, so explain to me why Brand X is better than Razer? Not to mention that one of the ones you mentioned isnt even doing their own R&D.

A bit more Information might be helpful, like sensitivity, hand size, preferred gripstyle etc. Explain why.

First up we need to define what "optical" and "laser" even is, those terms dont exist on a technical level, because technically all are optical and atm there are 3 Methods of motion sensing with currently "Gaming Grade Sensors". I wont expand further here since this question is coming up on the Internet every 3 hours or so, just check out the Sensor List on OCN, the headlines above each tech should make it self explanatory how it works. Also when people talk about "Laser is bad" for gaming it should be noted that it isnt the Illumination method itself that is causing the problems but rather the specific architecture or platform used, A9500 and its Sidekicks for example exhibit a relatively high cpi variance which is percieved by the user as acceleration, note that this Variance exists in any optical navigation system altough on a much smaller scale. That Dude should read up some stuff before spouting BS on Youtube, CPI ≠ Accuracy just to name one thing.

"Apple-Pear" Comparison

2nd Gen, RAT 3´s are using the A3090, which has a 1800 and a 3500cpi step, 450/900 are achieved via MCU recalculation, which is why the 3 doesnt have so much adjustability.