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Implying that 3989 is worse than 3310.

? Neither have i read your post, nor quoted you.

smh

He is actually right, altough not for recognizing the Z-Axis as XY Movement, the current problem with (Razer's) PTE is what became known as "Dynamic CPI Scaling"(called sensor damping by Mad Catz) which reduces the cpi during slow movements and no movement to make sure that changes in the Z-Axis arent moving the cursor. In my personal opinion it is worse than the smoothing of the A9800/3988/3989/3310, however for very high sens in combination with a hard pad PTE is a viable choice. What i was getting at is that we shouldnt compare apples with oranges, because then the weight cannot be downplayed by "being just a quarter difference", especially in regards to actual size.

30g means physical acceleration, not cursor related(wasnt it also 8g?), regardless, both of those use A5050 which is an Office sensor, so it would be better to save your money for now.

Comparing it to the average doesnt make much sense considering the amount of wireless mice.

Yeah, but by that logic we would still have A3060.

You just proved his point with your selection, ´which includes mostly casual and singleplayer games. Then why would you recommend office mice with a MSRP of 100 dollars?

I hate to bring it up again but that isnt true, reusing old FW and just updating when a component goes EOL is rather "lazy", also nothing has been fixed in the EC when comparing it to deathadder, and whatever is going on the Firmware doesnt work really well with PMW3310. Well, the exact differences have to be seen, especially the 16.000cpi are worrying me as Logitech didnt go that far even tough 3366 would be capable of such multipliers, but only at a performance cost. Also PMW3310 was never high end.

Im really not sure if this guy is trolling, or is this normal in NA?

It is getting OT but i am going to let this drag on. It was you who has challenged the idea of gaming peripherals. And yet there are better performing options for a lower price tag, so it doesnt even matter, especially considering that OP never stated that he needs wireless. That contradicts what you said before, doing "proper settings" wouldnt be necessary if humans are blind moles with parkinsons. I couldnt care less about your "real science" and rather care about my own experience, and what i have seen with my own eyes, and that includes having seen people who get motion sick when they are playing QL with just 60hz, wheres your science in such cases? And the one circle jerking is you, basically saying that certain products are unnecessary because you dont know how to take advantage of them, its like saying Soccer shoes are unnecessary because i can run with sneakers just fine. I actually think that you are just in complete denial because you dont perform well in video games, if you cant tell the difference between 125hz polling and 500hz, i would suggest to see a doctor because something is wrong with you.

Google is your friend. If somebody can take advantage of whatever gear somebody is buying is one topic, but basically you are recommending sub par products for gaming because your own performance is sub par? Not to mention that it isnt only about the Eyes and it also isnt only about reacting as moving a mouse is an action where you expect a certain response. I also take you linking me to PCMR in any way as an insult. Which is just wrong. First up, Polling rate isnt response time, only mice with good FW and Sensors actually achieve sending a signal in 1ms or under. Second, Polling rate mostly affects the fluidity/smoothness of the cursor/crosshair, something that probably even a 60 year old Grandmother would be able to see. Science is exactly what is going on with mice. Thats what you should do, considering that you are projecting your sub par standards onto others.

Yeah ESL One is so casual, also you dont have to be "pro" to notice differences in performance, especially when they are that big.

Even if we leave wireless out, we are stuck with sub par malfunction speed, a sub par cursor path at higher cpi and 125hz polling only, not to mention the weight of that thing, and im pretty sure that neither the debounce times nor the CPI Variance during movement are good.

Actually one Product saves the settings, why the others dont is a mytery considering that the possibility is there by default,

Nope, because "high" settings are achieved via subdividing of the native array.

To simply have more mousing space, especially offline.

Unless he saw a Proteus Spectrum.

I am too lazy to write anything atm, instead i just leave this here.

If you ask like that, no, it's not.

Which is wrong, "Delta Zero" is just a marketing term, the actual Sensors are AM010(G402, G302, G100S, G602) and PMW3366(G502, G303), which certainly arent the "same tech".^^

It will pick up movement for sure, just not very well, but so does even A3050. Also you need to understand that the illumination source doesnt automatically force certain characteristics of the sensor, A9500 wasnt developed with surface compatibility in mind.

That depends on what you want to do with it, wouldnt use it for gaming as it is just an office spec mouse with LED´s, same goes for the Redragon, office sensor with interpolated CPI to get newbs to buy it.

I dont understand this tbh, considering that you are able to write in the forum you probably already have a mouse and keyboard, so why buy something that isnt an improvement over office grade?

Well, buttons as said are preferences and therefore subjective, they arent in the way for me and i personally only care for performance anyway, and 3310/3988 cant deliver the same performance as 3366 or AM010 simply due to smoothing, which obviously doesnt impact slow FPS much, to me it was the same with A9500 ok/good for CS but not for other shooters. There is no reason to try it, it has already been proven that its crap, its firmware adds delay on top of 3310´s smoothing.