6 hours ago, ringo said:

This GX58 has AVAGO 3050L sensor. Is that sensor any good?

Its what G300s' 3055 is based on, so if you had a jittery experience with the 300s, this one will be even worse.

There are just simply better choices out there perfomancewise for less money.

5 hours ago, Cherrypie said:

It's very smooth and I know several top PUBG players who use it,

kek

1 hour ago, LeinadTM said:

I think some Razer mice can do that. For example, the Mamba.

1 hour ago, Raziq_26 said:

Corsair Glaive

1 hour ago, LeinadTM said:

I don't really know of any. If you don't mind the cable being permanent, a very good cheap gaming mouse is the Logitech G402.

None of those allow solder free switch swapping.

1 hour ago, ringo said:

 I just want that it has removable swtiches because on my last two mouse after some time left click became double click. I forgot to write that it would be good that it has red color/led...

Well, there are only a few Options that come to mind:

Asus ROG Pugio

Asus ROG Sica

Epic Gear Morpha X

Taidu TSG550

And the Gladius which you dislike.

1 hour ago, NvidiaIntelAMDLoveTriangle said:

So optical did indeed surpasses the laser ones?

First things first, both are optical, and image correlation sensors, the difference is just simply the illumination source, the PTE is an exception to that though as it uses two VCSEL's(one for x, one for y) and the "doppler shift" to determine travelled distance.

1 hour ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

AFAIK laser sensors have a lot of acceleration, this is why optical sensors are usually better. Laser sensors usually have higher DPI, but they aren't as precise. It comes down to personal preference TBH

I just quote myself:

On 9.7.2017 at 11:05 AM, woll3 said:

It might seem kinda pedantic but it bugs me, it doesnt have "acceleration built in" its CPI are fluctuating and in most cases leaning overall more towards an increase with speed, it simply is dubbed as resolution accuracy(or error if you go "from the other side"), which obv. isnt perfect on any product(which includes LED illuminated sensors[optical]), just to varying degrees. It also is only partially caused by the laser illumination, its just simply harder to achieve a good resolution accuracy with it while keeping the pricepoint in check.

Which would be the case with the A9500, A9800 and all of its offsprings, A6010 and A6090 on the other hand have lower resolution errors, though they have other problems.

Edit: Oh, and ofc the surface also plays a part in that regard.

12 hours ago, salsav91 said:

 

Are there things that could affect performance? Such as the color of the pad? If it's shiny or matte? Plastic or cloth?

All of those actually, though in a lot of cases a mousepad actually reduces performance compared to a table, it also depends on what mouse you are using, but ultimately the amount/type of friction > performance, as long as the malfunction speed is sufficient.

8 minutes ago, DustHaze said:

my hands are like L:18cm and W: 9cm so I don't know if this make any deference

If amazon is carrying any possible return fees i would say try the Lua to see if it fits, its 10.5 and 6.5 at the widest point, towards the middle its around 5.0 though.

If you can scramble just 3 euros more together the 250m would be a decent option, not sure about delivery fees though.

The Bloody V3m is using 3305 and suffers from the same problem as the 230m.

The Ozone Neon 3k would be an Option, it uses 3320 but unfortunately its FW is rather bad, so its malfunction speed is just above 2m/s, more than the 230m and V3m, but still nothing i can recommend comfortably, still it might be your best choice if the 250m is too expensive.

The 230m uses 3307 and the Lua the 3050, the Lua will offer better performance, however the Lua is insanely tiny, while the 230m is on the other Spectrum for an ambidextrous mouse, unless you need a malfunction speed over 2m/s i would let the shape decide.

So i would suggest to get a Rival 100 instead as it nearly performs the same as the Lua without being tiny, it should be available for around 25-30€ atm as they need to clear the stock for the Rival 110.

1 hour ago, DXMember said:

are you insane?

Sensei has the most complete configuration for mouse sensor:

• ExactSens
• FreeMove
• ExactAim
• ExactAccel
• PollingRate
• ExactLift

ExactSens--> A9500 only has steps of 90 or 100 depending on SROM, the rest is MCU calculated

FreeMove--> Toggleable Angle Snapping is only a feature on S9500, which is Logitech exclusive, so its again MCU calculated

ExactAim,  ExactAccel--> arent Sensor features either, and also cant change the dluctuations in the raw data

PollingRate--> not really a Sensor setting

ExactLift--> actually a Sensor feature, which is also utilized by many others though

26 minutes ago, Droidbot said:

The sensor is a laser sensor similar to the Mamba TE that Razer uses.

No, A9500 uses image correlation, and PTE uses the Doppler Shift, those are two completely different concepts.

26 minutes ago, Droidbot said:

It has acceleration built in, this is because of the technology.

It might seem kinda pedantic but it bugs me, it doesnt have "acceleration built in" its CPI are fluctuating and in most cases leaning overall more towards an increase with speed, it simply is dubbed as resolution accuracy, which obv. isnt perfect on any product, just to varying degrees. It also is only partially caused by the laser illumination, its just simply harder to achieve a good resolution accuracy with it while keeping the pricepoint in check.

22 minutes ago, iM8Pizza said:

ah that mouse, it uses an A3050 sensor if not mistaken, not great but it's sufficient.

3050 wasnt available when this was released , its using 3060 and loads the 3080 SROM for 1600cpi.

Anything besides 400, 800 and 1600cpi is MCU calculated, has angle snapping, on the plus side the debounce time and therefore button "lag" is low, all in all its definitely better than buying some office stuff for that price, and depending on if someone takes an issue with anglesnapping it might be even better than current 3050 offerings as 3060/3080 offers a better cursorpath.

On 5.7.2017 at 4:18 AM, ARikozuM said:

Anyone that says you need a gaming KB/M must be pretty bad at the games if they think the equipment holds them back.

Well, it does if you are limited in your sensitivity settings, decent malfunction speed is especially important in FPS.

20 minutes ago, Shadestones said:

Would you say the Deathadder Elite is better for someone who has large hands / claw grip? It might just be me, but the G403 looks a bit small by comparison.

Yes, G403 is a bit more narrow and has less support.

18 minutes ago, Shadestones said:

I'm deciding between the Deathadder Elite and the G403 Prodigy as well. Still haven't reached a conclusion, though.

Let Shape decide, G403 only has a slight edge in terms of performance, clicks are imo better as well, but that is preference.

As for OP, i would take the Glaive out of the equation given its price and Corsairs history in terms of FW.

1 hour ago, Vortosh said:

 

 

I have a friend who said they once did it and had about half a GB of storage.

Which in itself is utter BS as STM32-L100 R8 only has 64kB of Flash memory.

2 hours ago, Zando Bob said:

Following. Been wondering this myself. What's the difference?

Well, first things first, all Sensors are optical, you can split them up into image correlation sensors illuminated either via VCSEL(laser) or LED, or Philips Twin Eye, which uses the "doppler shift method", fundamentally both illumination methods of the first group works in the same ways as its "just a camera and a dsp comparing pictures"in both cases, to the point where for example 3310 and 3988/3989 are based on 9800 despite using different illumination methods, the difference lies in how much of the structure is being seen by the IAS, which depending on the useage scenario can be an advantage or not, for accurate distance measuring LED illumination is preferable.

As for PTE, this basically explains what you need to know:

http://www.photonics.philips.com/pdf/VCSEL-based_miniature_laser-Doppler_interferometer.pdf

Edit:

2 hours ago, BlackHoleFox said:

In most cases, a laser mouse has a no light being emitted from it. An optical on the other hand, just has a clear thing on the bottom that tracks it with light". So one glows bright, one doesn't.

That btw isnt true as LED´s can emit IR light as well.

Depends on what games you play and how important each component is to you, e.G. if you play FPS instead of the already recommended Corsair Harpoon i would rather suggest getting the 5-10$ more expensive Logitech G203, as it performs better and doesnt limit your sensitivity options.

4 hours ago, huilun02 said:

increasing DPI does not result in a loss of tracking accuracy.

Actually it does above a certain treshold, Array*Magnification*4 so far seems like a universal Barrier regardless of noise levels.

4 hours ago, Wanderer said:

hm,idk, i think it actually affects the sensivity,because if i put the polling rate at 1000 then itll be a little bit slower,but if i would put it at 125 then it would be just like having 400+ more dpi,it increases the sensivity somehow. i can set it to : 125,250,500 and 1000,and its going great with the 500 one.

It is your perception of sensitivity that is changing.

On 11.5.2017 at 2:56 PM, ThEGuY0903 said:

ROG Spatha for Mouse

Unless you really want to overpay, i would rather suggest looking into G403, G900, or Leadr, depending on what kinda shape and features you prefer.

6 hours ago, DnFx91 said:

i knew i would pull the "elite" CSS players out of the woodwork with that comment. That's irrelevant man get over yourself

I really dont want to know where you pulled CSS from.

7 minutes ago, lw88 said:

Not true. My roccat kone pure optical spins out in game.

Which is probably due to surface compatibility, Roccats A3090 are finicky due to the chosen LED´s, for me it only worked perfectly on the Taito and Goliathus Control.(they do improve accuracy though)

14 hours ago, DnFx91 said:

and still frequently win multiplayer CSS.

Which in itself means nothing, CS mapdesign also lets you get away with low malfunction speeds.

5 hours ago, lw88 said:

Oh, where did you hear that?

I didnt hear it, i just simply have one.

45 minutes ago, ZM Fong said:

Umm can you elaborate a bit?

Firmware, MCU, your CPU, the game being played, so on and so forth.

Depends on several factors.