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I did not even have to watch to get the cracked.com reference there Loved the cable commercial. correction: I now realize that commercial was only shown at cracked, not by them.

Theres a large section of the US that still runs on Choppy DSL connections to be honest its sad i know.

My god.... The only thing i am ever measuring in again is nibbles....I will find a way. Brings up whole new ways of explaining computers to my girlfriend.

At work today --------------------------------- "Hey, do you clean...you know, like outside of work?" "clean...as in......." "You know, would you like, clean my computer if i asked you to? "is this an innuendo?" "What? I just want to know if you'll clean my computer" "I am not, a janitor...really" "No i mean, of..bugs and stuff" "Oh...so no, im not an exterminator, but i can get rid of viruses" "Yes! so you can clean my computer?" "Yes, i will clean your computer so hard" "What?" "Well i mean, its easy to get rid of viruses, here download malwarebytes and combofix" "Those sound like the bugs on my computer" "Yeah, but im in IT, so its safe, go to ninite.com and just click the checkboxes, they install by themselves that way so you dont have to think about it" "So how much do these things cost" "Its free, just got to learn where the buttons are on all of the pages" "So....wh-" "See there is this big green button that practically says remove viruses" "oh.....alright that sounds easy! :)" "Yeah, it is convenient, have a wonderful day! :)"

I just love it when someone looks at me all googlie-eyed asking if i can clean viruses for them. Its like, so easy, but it seems to mystify them Its just about the cutest thing in the world sometimes.

Gotcha gotcha, Rosewill makes some nice cheap 5ghz cards if you want to look into it, it really helps avoid interference. But if you plugged straight into the router and you were getting speeds like that, id have a technician come out to look at your connection. Your being throttled and you shouldn't be, most built in switches on the back of routers can support 20 down, actually im pretty sure all of them can. Which means you aren't getting what your paying for from your provider. There are some coincidences that can happen, but are extremely unlikely. Id call them and phrase it just like that, tell them you aren't getting what your paying for, directly through the switch on the back of the router, maybe demand a new router just to see if they will give it to you, but they should more than definitely look into it if your not getting that. At the very least it will either get them to fix it for you for free, or admit to throttling your connection, in which case you should switch ASAP.

Huh thats interesting, i dont want to geek out on you but have you tried changing your wifi channel? You might be getting interference from something else on the same band. I would download the last free version of InSSIDer and see if there is something else on the channel your router is working at. You might just need to change the channel your running on and all could be resolved My bose home theater system was messing with my results, bringing me from 90down at the time to 10-20down from about 3-5km away from the router. InSSIDer should atleast show you other networks in close proximity to yours...helps with apartments, not to sure about residential areas..,. Also, id look into getting a 5ghz router, it really helps. >.< sorry, working in IT has its habits.

Ah its because computers in their day measured more in bits than they did bytes. So bits became a standard that people recognized at the time, and they never changed. After all, in marketing, 150 down looks way better than 18.75 like i should be getting, and then when people dont know how to convert it, they buy 150 thinking they are getting futuristic internet speeds. Thats my guess at it, i think it should be changed so more and less knowledgeable people could buy internet without feeling tricked. My dad came over the first day when i told him i was getting 150 down, he wanted to see the new world. *sigh*

Here to put this simply for you. When a provider says you are getting 6Mb, the small b indicates a bit not a byte. A B indicates a Byte instead of a bit. Odd way of organizing things I agree. There should be an easier way to spell this out for people. Or the ISP should do that themselves. Im currently on an 11MB down connection with 10Mb up... >.> thats how they spelled it out to me too. If i didnt know any better id be lost too. So i get where your coming from.

@ Blade of Grass Thank You Also, i should have elaborated more on that. I just meant write your heart out on the subject like it matters, i feel a lot of that is lost in todays debates. Many of which i find boring (the ones on the news and such). Ive liked this one so far though I just meant throw some passion into talking about it, I liked the way you said it I just feel it was overly what you were trying to say and i felt it got lost in the reply thats all. Im Looking for Passion > GLORY! haha, ah, im a little awkward. I apologize for that. But yeah thats all i meant, I understood what you were trying to say. Ive gone fairly in depth into researching this over the last week or so and side with you for the most part. I think between our options here in the states though, we are stuck between a rock and a hard place. The only question, is the rock going to kill us? Are we better off living in the hard place? Or is the hard place a trap, and the rock baring a golden core in the center that we failed to notice. Its times like this i wish i lived in Canada, and not in the realized dystopian future that is The United States.

Also, done sir

Oh Horray! Actual Debating I was hoping for this, really, im almost giddy. Just getting back from work, already have good news on my plate when i get home. Fun stuff, Thanks to all who liked the post Initially, Time for the post of debate ***knuckle cracking intensifies*** sooo @ TheLongWay After spending a day or so talking to co-workers about this issue and raising awareness (you would not believe the number of people who know nothing on this topic) i actually enjoy learning more about the other side to this debate. I am actually looking at both sides of this argument in a more constructive way than when i initially started this post. So, I understand regulation will harm the consumer to a large degree, especially after hearing others thoughts on the matter. That does not however, make me wish to concede to the fact that regulation is not the lesser of the two presented evils. For the most part, your comparison to shipping times makes sense, but i find it to be fairly black and white. I understand the need to further bandwidth, lay more fiber, even ease up on the current amount of bandwidth being used by the mass consumer. However, i feel your forgetting the negatives associated to the other side of this. Prioritizing bandwidth in what is essentially a giant, never-ending advertisement based market, will filter out any new start-up companies due to the fact that, maybe unlike you, will suffer from the idea of having to wait for a page to load. Yes, there are many sites that do not deserve to be eating the bandwidth that they do, but sites, specifically sites like square-space and dollar shave club (to use some linus sponsors) may never have grown in popularity if they did not have fast page-load times, as the majority of the people who use sites like that, dont want their webpages to load slowly, or have to wait a few minutes to be able to use a site like dollar shave club, leading onto my next argument... There would then be no reason to buy expensive server equipment, as the load to your server will be drastically reduced. While phrasing it this way does seem like shedding a positive light on the matter, it also means current start up companies will be loosing money in their already bought hardware to support, what they assume to be a larger consumer base than usual, now having to wait a significantly longer amount of time to gain what i want to call "subscribers" as that in this fast lane's sense, is essentially what your doing. And even then you would then have to cater to the majority of your "audience" by waiting to upgrade your hardware until the majority are those who subscribe. Seemingly unfair to startup companies who, in a world where this existed, would never grow to the point that they currently are. Which may in-turn be a reason for the increase in bandwidth by consumers itself. The fact that there is a new website out there every day attracting more and more users, through a creative idea of their own, would make a system like this highly inefficient. Viewing it in the number of websites that are out there, who is to say which one gets to live, and which one withers away? Is this not alienating a consumerbase, simply because no matter how much money the "subscribers" of a company throw at it, the company itself cannot grow as the mass consumer has a harder time reaching the content, making them, themselves more expensive? Maybe even collapsing under its own weight? I realize that was a lot. But in honesty, im more for the common business than i am for amazon, as it seems a fast-lane society would drive more towards what is popular, even if they are doing things wrong (such as over-charging, not providing products, which im not saying they do now buttt.....) Allowing a monopoly to form in the market, as only the most popular things will be able to sustain themselves, because they are the only things getting enough money because of the fast lane. Think of it this way, if tomorrow you walked down a street and saw two best buys, and one charged you 15 dollars to walk in and buy what you want right now, and the other, didnt charge you to enter the store to buy your product, but you had to wait outside 15 minutes before you could enter...which would you choose? Now think about having a deadline for work. Now think about having an emergency that you need to get home for. Now think about needing to go get your daughter from school, get lunch for your kids. Youve been called to an event by your boss. Now imagine that product you were picking up was a gift for a family member....still going to choose the other one? Now imagine that that wait to walk in the store were artificially put in place, so you would go to the other best buy. Does that make it the right decision? While this ^^ may not happen to you often. You, are not the majority. The majority, still runs on slow internet like DSL because fiber has not been layed out everywhere. The majority who use these providers are using them because of how the ISP's themselves have decided to wire things. If they didnt lay enough fiber, that, is not my problem. Bandwidth can be increased, i should not have to settle and pay the same, or more, because an ISP feels its necessary. Though again I do understand your point. Government regulation is still a bad thing, especially by a government who does not understand what the internet itself is at all (considering their change of broadband to what was it..10 down? something laughable like that). Also especially with a government that will likely tax the hell out of our internet usage, but at least in that sense all sites are treated equal and it does not, in itself, pose a threat to start up companies, or pose potential to create a monopoly inside the internet. Making the internet some laughable place with 10-15 websites available, like the channel switcher of an old tv. Thinking way on down the line . Damn me and my old tin-foil hat. @ Blade of Grass I like the way you re-phrased the shipping example There are actually fundamental problems with the government regulating the internet as a utility, but it is the lesser of two evils as i just pointed out, and so, i am currently pro Net Neutrality as well, if only for the sake of the free market. @ Speedbird Lol thank you, i thought something similar on my way home, i hope they dont charge us $1000 to watch linus and then $2000 to comment on the forums, but that is a hyperbole. I digress It was funny. @ TheLongWay Hey your back! Yes, if google decided to ban bing that would be their decision and it would effect my experience with them. But your correct, they should be allowed to do so. But what if they did so, and charged you for it, and they were also your ISP, and blocked bing. And charged you for it. Corporations can block competition this way, simply through ways of bribes to the ISP's, or through way of being the ISP themselves. Forcing slow lanes, or "non-lanes" as in this respect they would be, to all of their competitors. In that sense you could erase all knowledge of Verizon, when you are on comcast. People wouldnt know a better option is out there, you cant view the consumer as being intelligent as for the most part, especially here in the IT world, they simply aren't. If you were to cripple verizon in that way, it would temporarily eliminate a growth point for Verizon, a fairly large one at that, and Verizon might buckle under the weight...as, like previously stated, they would not be gaining as many new customers, causing them to stagnate. Assuming all other ISP's decided Verizon should go away, Verizon would be constant loosing their customers as long as they did not implement something similar... And as soon as they implemented something similar, we have segregated the market in its entirety. With no new customers going anywhere, except where they are supposed to, you have created areas around the world in which monopolies exist. The market stagnates until one of them drops out, and so on and so fourth, until we only have one provider, and by law they are required to split (supposedly). Constant loop, not a free market anymore. The only thing at that point you could expect to learn about other internet companies would be back in cable, and then we are back to advertisement costing far too much for small segments, thus again eliminating startup internet companies, like, say, google for example. While not a small company in itself, imagine not having the internet to learn about fiber's existance because all info in relation was proxied out to a "non-lane"... Based on your responses, you dont seem very open to this concept, closed to a side of the argument let me know if that is the case with you if you come back to this pose... @ TheLongWay i dont, i actually think they are pretty bad myself. Im just saying i would trust them over a bunch of businesses that currently over-charge for every other service they sell, some even with internet. While i may be mistaken, im not sure what the future will hold in either respect, i can only say that currently, its better to have a market where small business can exist, rather than one where they cant. @ othertomperson I like it! @ Briggsy Thanks for the correction, ill work on making that look a little better @ VIhul I agree, though im not sure if the fiber promised in 1996 was actually already laid or not... >.> im rather uneducated on that and ill need to look into it more. Though them throwing their weight around is indeed a problem with something like net neutrality not getting pushed forward. Im sure ive said enough about that above but High Five! @ Trik'Stari I actually have not thought about that before, wouldnt they be making their own websites succeed in a situation where net neutrality wasnt around, in my earlier posts i talked about many websites simply shutting down or crumbling under the weight of not having what i called "subscribers" or people willing to pay for faster access, or access at all for that matter, to certain websites. The ISP's own website, in a world where only a few exist, would be taking up a lot of the market for free, without fear of shutting down wouldnt it? SUPER INTERESTING! Going into the book @ TheLongWay Oh my i didnt expect to see you on the second page.. oh boy! Again, my previous statements have summed up a pretty good argument to your statement. Id like to point out again, i dont think anyone here is pro government, just by reading the responses. They simply aren't pro big business, since were are using practical analogies here. Businesses do have competition, as ive summed up by previous replies to your statements. I simply think that they as a whole would be more likely to push out competitors than the government that has made laws around doing so. Not pro government, pro net neutrality. All sites remain equal so that no site gets singled out. Actually, so that a majority of sights get pushed out to make way for the already large and popular brand names...Thus not allowing small companies to grow...thus not allowing future competition to happen. Whether that is the cause of the government, or Big business, net neutrality, as a whole, is better than handing that power out. But hey again, could be wrong, government could kill all small businesses as well, i just dont see as big a reason for them to...Elaborate if you come back. @ TheLongWay We do not make the rules, currently competition does. If one person has a lower price, people flock to them. Though in this instance, people would hesitate to flock because of slower speeds, because of the ISP. Because of the convience factor, hell, they may not even move, because it takes more effort, and effort is money. Adding effort to a process, increases cost in time to the consumer. Considering how little of this currency of time people actually has now adays, it makes more difference than you think. @ NoctHorn I like your thinking Lets just hope google fiber doesn't do something similar out of way for competitions sake....If they did decide to invest more effort into their fiber project i mean. Thats all speculation, i like where your heads at though! @ Blade of Grass WOAH such a huge reply while i was busy writing my own, props mate. Though in fairness, i believe there was an issue in france for a while where they could not lay fiber due to issues with governmental regulation. I think that is what he was referring to... or she >.> idk. I love the code based hosts file... but really i think they use something like a proxy, its easier to setup. I also agree with the general consensus of your reply that customers should not be charged twice I wish youd have gone more in depth with it though. I didnt mean to judge anyone.. if it came out that way. Just debating in my own way, let me know if i offended anyone and i will apologize. Also. I seem to have overused my emoticon limit haha crazy.

Hey I actually just discovered this probably should have gone in the Tech News section and not in general, is there a way to move this? at least, i think it might go there. If this is news >.> >.< should have looked around more before posting. Im happy with where its at if thats normal, just curious really.