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atavax

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  1. In a perfect world, there would be a mini itx with 3 m.2s, supported both wireless and 5gb/s lan, at least 9 power phases, and no led lights or gaudy color scheme, maybe some natural copper colors on some of the metal for under $200. In reality, i'm probably more hoping for a mini itx with 2 m.2s, and at least 6 power phases and thats probably all the features i can ask for. I might have to get a x370 to get 2 m.2s and be able to overclock. If i'm stuck with getting a full atx board to have 2 m.2s, i just want to pay under $200 for it. AS everything i'm seeing right now that has 2 m.2s is at least $240.
  2. my wallet just thanks the mobo makers for sucking at their offerings for Ryzen. I preordered the 1800x then cancelled looking at the current mobo offerings. Now i'm leaning towards just buying an AIO putting it on my 2600k and waiting 6-18 months.
  3. I agree that at the low end it looks like Intel will be very strong but, we still really have no idea how its going to play out. The problem is right now we're basing this off of very limited leaked benchmarks. The benchmarks are close enough where honestly IPC could swing slightly in either brand's favor. We honestly don't know what kind of single core performance difference we're going to see. We also have a little idea how well the 8 core Ryzen's will overclock, but zero idea how well the 6 and 4 core Ryzen's will overclock. but it seems like AMD just stole a giant chunk of the high end market.
  4. There is something called the law of supply and demand. When supply is high and demand is low, prices drop. When supply is low and demand is high, prices rise. The demand for DDR4 has rapidly grown with it being used in more and more smartphones. Until Supply catches up, until production of ddr4 ram increases enough to meet demand, the prices will remain high. It sounds like this will be at least until the end of this year http://www.pcgamer.com/heres-why-ddr4-ram-prices-have-spiked/ The demand for DDR3 has dropped, but the supply of DDR3 has also dropped. As electronics age, the supply dwindles and the prices rise because supply keeps dropping.
  5. Intel already lowered their prices. The 7700k is now $300 instead of $380. If Intel thinks they can't compete at current price point, its the strongest indication yet that Ryzen will live up to the hype. Looks like we might have a pricing war boys!
  6. So a Ryzen chip that's turbo is 3.7Ghz can only be overclocked to 3.8Ghz on some boards and 4.0 on premier and you call that promising? For all you know that is a high performer for the 1700. Most 1800x's might not be able to break 4.2, or basically a 0.2Ghz overclock. Intel's 6700k has a base turbo of 4.2Ghz and can be overclocked past 5.0. Thats promising.
  7. yeah, the dual channel lanes and limited PCIe lanes are two things that are turning me off of Ryzen. Even if it doesn't matter much now, i could have this CPU for 8+ years. Who knows, maybe we'll see the next E series from Intel have much more compelling prices because of Ryzen. Or maybe AMD will answer the criticisms we'll see a higher end chipset for Ryzen come out. For now I think my plan is to get an AIO cooler, overclock my 2600k, and wait.
  8. For most applications outside of gaming, i agree that it looks like Ryzen will be very compelling. But i think most consumers looking at enthusiast level hardware are primarily doing so for gaming.
  9. generally the NZXT Krakken is one of the best regarded AIOs. For something slightly cheaper, Corsair is also very reputable. EK might be the most reputable, but they're very expensive and they discontinued their AIO and are supposed to come out with a new AIO this spring.
  10. I haven't seen a single leaked benchmark that indicates Ryzen's single threaded IPC is anything but lower than Kaby Lake's. And people are overclocking Kaby Lake to 5Ghz on consumer cooling. They got Ryzen to 5.1 on Liquid Nitrogren. Somehow i don't think the benefits of liquid nitrogren cooling is only 0.1ghz. And don't mix up cores and threads please. I want AMD to do well and I am very tempted to get a Ryzen CPU, but it is not an obvious choice like you are making it out to be.
  11. Even with no technical improvements Intel still appears to be king of single threaded performance and i imagine we'll see i5's with hyperthreading as the standard next gen, to compete with AMD.
  12. i've found this about mini itx, doesn't look the most promising
  13. They're even capable of selling at a loss if they want to completely dick over AMD. The thing is the desktop market is shrinking and they need legit competition to not be a monopoly. I imagine they won't fight AMD too hard on desktop CPUs. I also imagine Ryzen is going to grow the market more than its going to steal Intel customers. I mean, sure a lot of people will switch to AMD. But most people that have bought a good Intel CPU since Sandy Bridge have no need to buy a CPU. So its not like, oh no, sales are bad because of Ryzen. Its like, oh no, sales are bad because we are failing to innovate and our latest generation was garbage. I bet Kaby lake's sales will be very poor, but the next 2 Intel generations afterwards will be much higher because of AMD.
  14. in my experience, when non gamers buy PCs, they still want to buy a decent performing CPU to make sure it runs quickly for a long period of time.
  15. I think Intel will primarily rely on brand loyalty. They might do a small price drop, and i think rumor is they'll release a new I5 with hyper threading that also has a slightly higher clock speed. I would expect Intel's main response to be their from their next line.
  16. What it really comes down to is just how well they overclock. There is a huge difference depending on if i can get a 8 core ryzen cpu to 4.2 Ghz or 5.2Ghz.
  17. really, people are trying to discredit AMD for gaming because they think the single threaded performance will be lower, but i mean, obviously the most important thing for gaming is still going to be GPU. Unless the game is specifically CPU heavy in which case the devs usually put focus on optimizing for multiple cores. Also what is going to have the most impact on gaming performance is the single threaded performance which mainly depends on just how well they overclock which no one has any idea about. In the future it could also be very likely to see improvements in performance as games better optimize for Ryzen. This is a completely new architecture while games have been optimizing for Sandy Bridge and its successors for the last 6 years. Performance for games now is also what we should be least concerned about as either will surely be satisfactory, we should be concerned about the performance in a couple years when it starts getting dated and more cores will almost certainly help more then.
  18. i don't think we really know for sure and either way, it sounds like at the very least you need to be more specific as it looks like for some intel chips, this isn't the case.
  19. idk, i saw a performance gain playing TF2 after i enabled HT on my 2600k.
  20. yeah, they've announced the x300 chipset which should be enthusiast and mini itx. I am in the same boat as you, want a mitx board with a ryzen CPU. They announced the x300 along with the x370. Keep in mind they have only just today shown the 3 of the CPUs, out of like 12? AMD is keeping things pretty close to the chest. I wouldn't be too concerned about not seeing an x300, i doubt its going to be too long before its out. If it doesn't come out by the 2nd, i'd look at it as an opportunity to wait until Ryzen is thoroughly benchmarked by third parties before ordering.
  21. I understand that games perform better with a higher single core performance. I have heard countless times about work being done and software being developed to better take advantage of multiple threads in gaming. So i'm skeptical of someone that says it cannot be done. I understand the theory and i've read about the many challenges in getting games to utilize more cores.
  22. Is it not widely understood that Nvidia benefits from directx12 and Vulan less than AMD? Which one's architecture is more parallel? Is it not AMDs? looks like Directx 12 is better utilizing more cores. Yes, efficiency per gore is gained, but the greater gain is in parallelism. I understand why games have trouble using more than 8 cores.
  23. you're reading comprehension is lacking. This is what I was saying. You previously said and that is incorrect. As you just correctly said, it is hard to get games to run well on multiple threads. Progress isn't being done to get games to run well on fewer threads, the work is being done to get games to run well on more threads. So, you agree, it will make games use available cores more efficiently. Thats what i said. I didn't say it will make games use all 22 xeon cores.
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