I didn't realize that those things are responsible for 68% of all homicides.....

@DrMacintosh Guns are still merely a tool. People kill people. With guns.

But do know, if all the guns were to be destroyed, people would find other ways to kill.

Banning something doesn't make it become less of a problem. (See: The war on drugs)

Oh.  No.  They're responsible, and drug use / overdose is responsible for far more mass death than guns are.  Funnily more people willingly throw their lives away than people take lives in this country.  Homicides of all kinds, vehicular, gun, knife and arson related are all paltry in comparison to the nihilism and death of the drug epidemic.  Vehicular accidents, and peoples general health habits. Hell, Georgia has a beautiful sign when you enter it that says only "#### accidents this month!" As if four digit accident numbers are something to be proud of.  Thankfully nobody will ever take away guns in the country.  AK's, AR's, and antimaterial rifles will be bought for years to come.  Could solve the drug epidemic by legalizing it, though.  By all means, as far as I care now if a guy wants to shove a glass dildo in his ass and overdose on heroin while asphyxiating himself - let it be legal.  I have no care what someone does with their time and money, as long as it does not infringe on my life.  35M gun owners who own AR-15s and over 100M+ in the U.S who own handguns, rifles, shotguns and yet so many responsible people.  

If we're lucky we can be like South Africa or South America.

@wcreek Hell, we could end up like Britain and instead of guns just resort to having people throwing acid, mass stabbings, and trucks barreling in to crowds.  Can't forget the mass murder in China on a train.  Guy with a knife killed 70 people and injured over 100 in a rampage.  

@CUDA_CoresSweden wants to ban cars because of trucks being used for peaceful worship of Allah.  So we can ban everything!  Hell, you need a license to buy bleach in the UK thanks to all the acid attacks.

@wcreek @CUDA_Cores @SurvivorNVL

I always enjoy the deniers of the Armenian Genocide.  I also don't exactly care what they have to say.  Take away guns, and instead the murder rate can stay the same, but just be more knife related.  I don't have much stock in the opinions of any Turk.  I find it funny that they include suicides and show that suicides by gun are double the rate of homciides by gun.  In Japan, suicides by hanging are multitudes higher than gun related suicides in the U.S.  People use whatever is most convenient for them.  Thankfully Cenk does admit in that video that the gun control debate is likely dead in America.  It'll never happen and people can be free to purchase what they want and what they believe they need to ensure their own entertainment, safety, freedom, security or liberty.  Hopefully in time that'll translate to people being able to more effectively buy elections and influence stronger outcomes in the country to cause it to balkanize so I can have freedom from the coastal parts of the country.  Should bring back city-states, actually.  

Hmm.

When you shut out the opinions and facts (backed up with sources they provide in the video) of others you already lost the argument.

Oh, no. I don't shut out the opinions and facts, gun violence is prevalent in the U.S.  And in Yemen.  People have mass shootings.  It happens.  Shit happens.  And yet 100M+ people own guns and they don't all commit those problems.  Do they?  35M+ AR-15 owners in the U.S. and that's not a war on the streets.  But violence in the U.S. is much less common than in other nations.  There're a lot of guns in the U.S.  Actually over 280M+ guns.  And yet it seems the majority of the crime, aside from mass-shootings that have upticked in number since the 70s, as American culture declined(if there was a culture that existed in America in the first place), the majority of gun related incidents in the U.S. seems to be focused thanks to minority groups.  Strange how that is.  It's almost as if lower IQ peoples are more prone to violent situations and outcomes because they can't rise through a competitive society.  Weeeeeird.  


LIke I said earlier, we could be lucky enough to be South America, or South Africa.  https://crimeresearch.org/2014/03/comparing-murder-rates-across-countries/  

@DrMacintosh TYT is fake news. Even faker than CNN for fucks sake

Can't forget 

The FBI was more focused on trying to unseat our president and making Russia seem like a bogey man.

Can't forget when Omar shot up Orlando, and he was being watched by the FBI not even two months before-hand.  "Nah, he's just pledging allegiance to the Islamic State, not a threat risk."

It is interesting that you use stats on just how bad guns are in your defense of why guns are ok......

@wcreek “The FBI” which department? Which state? Which people specifically? 

Yes we have an investigation into the actions of the President while he was running for President and his actions in office. That does not mean the FBI is doing nothing because of that. It’s a federal organization with centers around the US. 

If you want to blame the FBI you can blame the department in Florida, but not the whole organization on a Federal level. 

Also Russia is not our friend. 

Really?  The stats show that the U.S. has more guns, and less violent crime even with all those guns.  More gun ownership = fewer homicides.  Less gun ownership = more homicides.  Actually still surprised Honduras is worse than South Africa, though.  Boers are getting genocided by the people they freed.

More guns equals more gun related crime. That’s not an opinion.

You are bringing up statistics of developing nations to satisfy your argument that more guns equates to less gun violence when you adjust your scale to reality, the United States has the highest gun crime rates per capita or otherwise against every developed nation. 

You sit sit here and and spew irrelevant data to achieve confirmation bias in what you already belive. 

While true that minority gun crime is higher than white gun crime, studies have already confirmed that both race, and culture, do not correlate to higher gun crime rates. Neither does mental health (this argument assumes that Americans are somehow more mentally unstable than other developed nations)

There are 30,000 gun related deaths per year by firearms, & this number is not disputed. U.S. population 324,059,091 as of Wednesday, June 22, 2016. Do the math: 0.000000925% of the pop dies from gun-related actions each year.  Statistically speaking, this is insignificant. What is never told, however, is a breakdown of those 30,000 deaths, to put them in perspective as compared to other causes of death:  • 65% of those deaths are by suicide which would never be prevented by gun laws • 15% are by law enforcement in the line of duty and justified • 17% are through criminal activity, gang and drug-related or mentally ill persons– gun violence • 3% are accidental discharge deaths.

So technically, "gun violence" is not 30,000 annually, but drops to 5,100. Still too many? Well, first, how are those deaths spanned across the nation? • 480 homicides (9.4%) were in Chicago • 344 homicides (6.7%) were in Baltimore • 333 homicides (6.5%) were in Detroit.

• 119 homicides (2.3%) were in Washington D.C. (a 54% increase over prior years) So basically, 25% of all gun crime happens in just 4 cities. All 4 of those cities have strict gun laws, so it is not the lack of law that is the root cause.  This basically leaves 3,825 for the entire rest of the nation, or about 75 deaths per state. That is an average because some States have much higher rates than others. For example, California had 1,169 and Alabama had 1.  Now, who has the strictest gun laws by far? California, of course, but understand, so it is not guns causing this. It is a crime rate spawned by the number of criminal persons residing in those cities and states.  So if all cities and states are not created equally, then there must be something other than the tool causing the gun deaths. Are 5,100 deaths per year horrific? How about in comparison to other deaths?  

All death is sad and especially so when it is in the commission of a crime but that is the nature of crime. Robbery, death, and sexual assault are all done by criminals and thinking that criminals will obey laws is ludicrous. That's why they are criminals.

But what about other deaths each year? • 40,000+ die from a drug overdose–Where's the excuse for that? • 36,000 people die per year from the flu, far exceeding the criminal gun deaths • 34,000 people die per year in traffic fatalities(exceeding gun deaths including suicide)

Now it gets good: • 200,000+ people die each year (and growing) from preventable medical errors. You are safer in Chicago than when you are in a hospital!

• 710,000 people die per year from heart disease. It’s time to stop the double cheeseburgers! So what is the point?

 

@DrMacintosh The tip was provided via email which means it went through straight to the main FBI not the FBI branch in Florida.

Well I don't see why we can't work with Russia to be our friend. Russia isn't evil.

As the US and Russia being the only two super powers left, I think it's best we're friendly towards each other.

@wcreek Russia is evil, their Leader is effectively a tyrant.

I am all for deescalation with Russia but they do not share our values as a nation and therefore will never be our allies until that changes. 

Also The Unites States, China, and Russia are world super powers in that order. 

@DrMacintosh China isn't exactly a superpower. Yes it does have a large economy and military but I don't think it's considered one yet.

@SurvivorNVL

1.) Suicide is affected by gun control, the stricter the gun control the less cases of gun assisted suicide

2.) Gun deaths by Police officers is not justified. Other developed nations such as the UK do not have such high rates of deaths in the line of duty by guns or the murder of citizens by said officers. 

3.) So you do not care about those 3%? 

4.) Technically if it involved a gun then its gun violence, you don't get to redact data to fit your narrative.

5.) City gun laws are not ineffective as you suggest, rather the ease of access to guns from surrounding states and cities make those city specific gun laws ineffective. Case and point, gun access is still the root problem of gun violence.

6.) Laws are in place a disincentive on crime. To suggest that doing nothing with somehow make things better is preposterous. Your effective argument is to make nothing illegal because people will do it anyway. Why make murder illegal if people will murder anyway? Why make theft illegal when people are just going to rob anyway? 

Do you see how your argument is just a giant fallacy? 

7.) Drug overdoses affect predominantly only one person, their death is their fault

8.) Dying from the flu is just something that happens, its nature, you can't outlaw viruses, you can regulate guns however. 

9.) Preventable medical error deaths shows just how badly the United States needs a Medicare for all/ single payer healthcare system. Private health insurance prevents people from going to the hospital and being treated. 

10.) Heart disease and eating cheeseburgers are the result of choice. You choose to buy a BigMac, you don't choose to be one of the people killed in a mass shooting. 

@wcreek Look up any ranking of world nations. The order is always 

1. The United States

2. China

Russia has a pathetic military in comparison to even Chinas and the Russian economy is so small in comparison to either the US or Chinas that it is amazing that Russia could be considered powerful at all. Their only leverage is that they have Nukes. 

on the topic of suicides...

Tighter gun control won't lower the number of suicides. Less guns doesn't mean people will be killing themselves less.

Sure less will be killing themselves with guns but there's other methods.

@wcreek No, but it does increase the chances of getting to someone before they kill themselves or before they die.