Tuugeboi

I believe he meant to say "c6/c7 sleep states".
 
Care to point out which units those are, so they can look into it? That would be helpful. 
 
The criteria for each tier is clearly listed out in the spoiler at the top of the first page. In the interest of remaining as objective as possible, if a unit fails or is missing out on even just one aspect of a particular tier, then it stands to reason to drop that unit down to a lower tier, and so-on. The rules are there and to the best of the knowledge of those who have been working on this list (which is not just one person, btw), they have sorted all units accordingly.
 
I like to think of this type of thread as a "community effort" to help the community as a whole. That being said, instead of just claiming "there are units in the wrong categories" and "therefore you need to fix it" without including any helpful information, why not share and help improve the list?
 
So then, which specific units don't meet the criteria of their category? Please enlighten us and contribute. It would be appreciated.

Even though Corsair uses the same branding to imply that the CXM is the same as the CX but modular, there's actually a 2 year gap in their release dates. The CX is newer and more well designed.

i mean... they have some decent ones like the G2 if you get them at lower wattages for example, but that aside
 
i made some minor changes real quick to the links and the corsair units, as well as add FX to the focus name
every position is up for debate, so feel free to name them, so i can pass it internally to check around
 
i mean... as much as i'm here to answer questions, i'm not the only one on this list

You know, if you want to contribute - do it. Make your point, what units you could've moved to different tiers and why. Otherwise this just contributes to 'dumpster fire' without improving anything.

As stated in the "best answer" post at the very top, the OP of the last list stepped down from keeping the list updated. This required changing hands to someone else who was willing to keep it updated.

sorry, we don't do hamsters in this list
 
seriously though, what model?

Hong Hua

It's a shame it's the 850W one, not 750W. The 850W-1200W ones use a worse platform (High Power HPJ, double forward with synchronous rectification and DC-DC) than the 550-750W EBT models. (High Power HPM platform, half bridge LLC with SR and DC-DC).
 
Of course you can only hope this list would make a distinction, lol. It just groups them all into "Zalman EBT" in one tier.
 
And there's also the fact that Rosewill Photon also uses two different (worse and better) platforms and there's no distinction either.
 
...And also how Rosewill Photon uses the exact same two platforms as Zalman EBT, but it's tier higher.

Don't judge by brand. Especially when they're using a different OEM than usual.
 
A video is useless, not results. There is no methodology or hard figures, therefore impossible to compare to other PSUs.
When I turn my headphones down that EVGA GD is pretty darn quiet ?

Calling Segotep a noname brand is kinda like calling FSP one. Segotep is owned by Colorful Technology Co., which is the largest manufacturer of graphics cards in China! Larger than ASUS, MSI, Gigabyte and others more familiar to you.
 
Both GP600P and GP600T use half-bridge primary side topology with an LLC resonant converter, and DC-DC on secondary. They both also have 12V rectifiers mounted on the underside of the PCB and seem to use Teapo TC on the secondary side.
 


 
One thing to note is that they're both rated at 500W total power, not 600 like you'd think from the name.

Probably better protections, tighter voltage regulation, lower inrush current. Both values are superb, and negligible from eachother, but it goes to prove the G3 isn't any worse.
 
Oh and Aris' G2 safely passed the OPP test... No. There was no protection test by Aris back then.
But we do know the OCP trigger points for the 550 G2 12V, 5V and 3.3V are 153%, 173% and 173% respectively... And where's the OTP?!
Also, only one of Aris' G3s died during OPP testing (the 1KW unit). The other two (550 and 650w) survived.

because it's a 10 year old design with iirc a sleeve fan?
 
and btw, Japanese caps?

Yeah you don't seem to get the question.  You DID actually modify your PSU because you opened it up (voiding warranty in most cases) and changed something (the fan, the power leads to the fan, etc.) this is modification and so it was changed from the way it was designed at the factory.  If you didn't validate that it's keeping your PSU cooled to the proper spec at different loads and that the custom fan power wiring isn't electrically safely wired and insulated internally than that's where the "cause fire" part would come in.  (Also not sure but I'm thinking the fan loses something now that the PSU circuitry cannot see it and it's wired outside of the PSU itself).
 
If you don't know about what can go wrong if you screw that up than you probably shouldn't be trying that stuff because it does carry pretty heavy consequences.  Not to mention that you have an older PSU with a failed fan and you said you get lots of blackouts; sounds like you enjoy rolling the dice on your computer.
 
Well you sorta answered this yourself based on one major failure already, your fan was cheap and it died, that's one of the many reasons to not settle for a cheap power supply.

Yes, obviously as Seasonic is better, because there is Seasonic printed on the Label. How can you not see that!!111
 
And everyone on the Interwebs tells that Seasonic is the best of the best of the best. Obviously they are right
/s
 
Yeah, Seasonic isn't that great, the Focus has some issues with some GPUs that other designs, even ~10 year old 750W FSP Resonant LLC units have not...
 
Why do you keep claiming this FUD, even after you were told many times that its a false statement?!
And you now knowingly spread false Information.
 
Even Seasonic stated at least one other GPU that causes Trouble -> ASUS 970 Strix.
And there is also the MSI 1080ti, wich causes the Bitfenix Whisper M 550W to switch off for example.

Why should this card NOT cause issues with other PSU with their Transients??
 
Here a Thread about that:
http://www.jonnyguru.com/forums/showthread.php?16238-Seasonic-officially-reacts-to-the-GPU-compatibility-issues&highlight=Seasonic

SEASONIC even admitted that the ASUS GTX 970 Strix also has possible compatibility Issues.
 
Here a Posting from The Mask, wo says that some 1080ti Cards are also affected:
http://www.jonnyguru.com/forums/showthread.php?16238-Seasonic-officially-reacts-to-the-GPU-compatibility-issues&p=154165#post154165
 
Here another Posting about it, also stating quite some high end Cards.
 
Here the User mentioned:
https://gathering.tweakers.net/forum/view_message/55950581
There are multiple cards affected and can cause potential issues, not just VEGA; every high(er) end GPU can be problematic!
 
Claiming that its just VEGA is just incorrect and you know it, I've told you many times, yet you keep claiming its only VEGA.
I have to ask, why you keep claiming that its only VEGA?!
 
 
Why do you keep defending Seasonic so vehemently?!
 

*carefully reducing gpu voltage and power limit*
monkaS

Simple sleeve bearing (We try not to put these above B unless there are some special circumstances)
Rifle bearing (improved sleeve)
HDB (improved sleeve)
Ball Bearing/Double Ball Bearing (usually pretty loud, less common nowadays)
And a few other obscure ones.

But you don't know for sure do you?
 
And there is no way for you to know unless it's hooked up to the proper equipment.

If there aren't any professional reviews then that model is suspect until there is.
 
A PSU is always suspect until professional reviews are done.

So if one person's experience is enough to warn against buying a unit, and every PSU model on earth has at least one person who had it blow up, then... what power supplies are there left to buy?
There's at least one person in the world who had a Corsair AXi blow up on them. Same with Corsair AX, HX, all their other series, all of Seasonic, all of EVGA, all of Thermaltake.
For any power supply model ever made, you can find at least one "X PSU came DOA" or "X PSU blew up" complaint.
And if you say a single complaint is enough not to buy it, than there aren't any PSUs left to buy.

Okay. A sample size of one is all that's needed. Alright. 
A certain Jon Gerow posted a thing that happened with an RMx. 
The 12V rail somehow got connected to 5Vsb. The OVP of course shut down the sb rail, but only after 80ms. The sb rail then turned on, before turning off 80ms later. This killed anything connected to USB. 
A high end PSU with all the necessary protections did that. Once. Out of many many units. 
 
Failures happen, but that doesn't mean you should avoid the RMx. 

If you buy an expensive PSU, and unfortunately your unit blows up after a month, should you be telling people not to buy that model? Or maybe your experience as a single person's, no matter how well-meant, is not enough to determine whether the product is or isn't prone to early faults?

Even I am not that qualified and know that I only write Marketing stuff for PSU but the things I can rate I will. And I will be harsh if something is really messed up - like a fan starting/stopping every other second. Especially since it has a Sleeve Number and no other "Imprint" (ie FDB written over the label but even then. For a 2BB I'd not be as harsh).
 
So yeah, without an electronic load, Reviews in General of PSU are rather useless and can only tell you the noise of the PSU.
Their access to Chroma ATE and other Load Testers and Osciloscopes.

Yeah, PSU's are different, one really needs the equipment and knowledge to properly test and evaluate them correctly.

Would it kill manufacturers to give some VRM specifications in the technical data sheet?
If that Strix board really is a 5(x2)+2, it could be veeeeery interesting for a future semi-upgrade.
 
Do you guys know of any youtubers other than Gamers Nexus and AHOC that check MoBo VRMs?