Pyroven

They moved the mounting holes between AM3+ and AM4. It would depend on the AIO and its compatibility list, and if you still have all the mounting brackets etc. it came with

Have a sift through the PSU tier list maybe? There was also a recent video on the channel about cheap power supplies tested with the new labs equipment.

Or rather, what are at least good?

I've been unable to find a simple answer to this question by googling, I only know that WD Reds have had a few fiascoes recently and I want to avoid them. If I'm looking for a NAS drive, are there any other brands/products lines to avoid?

Are Seagate Exos or Ironwolfs good? Anything to beware to avoid in those lineups?

Control.

Hi, where did you get your riser cable? I need one very similar and I'm having an extremely hard time finding one

1 hour ago, Pyroven said:

I have this same issue and I'm using an SD card - I can't format the SD card and the card isn't defective in any way.

 

Also, some of the music is showing up correctly, but most of it isn't.

I fixed my problem by reseting Groove Music, by right clicking on it in the start menu then going to its settings and scrolling down to 'Reset'

On 5/13/2018 at 7:02 AM, garukno said:

it was the micro sd fault, i just found out now

I formatted the micro sd and copying my music again

it now works

I have this same issue and I'm using an SD card - I can't format the SD card and the card isn't defective in any way.

Also, some of the music is showing up correctly, but most of it isn't.

I don't think so, either way if they did it wouldn't matter until the second or third set of RAM

I have now done enough testing to conclude that the Intel 5520 chip/set was overheating, similar to this forum post I found. I had a hunch it'd be something to do with the chipset so I did a bit of searching, and this scenario was very similar.

This toasty boy right here.

This was the testing solution while doing troubleshooting outside of the case a couple of days ago, all crashing stopped from this point onwards.

And finally the permanent solution. I cable tied this fan to the screwholes unused by my ATX Define R4. Haven't had a crash so far.

Fun fact, the fan came from a computer I got for free from the dump. It's actually a really strong fan and it's really quiet too.

Could this have been anything to do with it?

Update:

    I'm not sure whether this is a symptom, but I think I hear a similar click sound to when the PC shuts down every now and again while it's running. It's not as loud but it's a very similar sound.

Hello, the original LTT forum post I made for this was in 'CPUs Motherboards and Memory' and is found here, however this post is more refined and I believe this section to be more appropriate after delving into the issue as much as I can.

System Specs:
Motherboard: Tyan s7012G4MNR (Link to manual; Pg10-12 for PCIe slot layout and labels)
Chipset: Intel 5520 / ICH10R
CPU: 2x Xeon X5660
GPU: R9 280 (Tested with GT 210 as well)
Ram: 2x8GB, Single Channel
PSU: EVGA 850W G2


Basically: Do you have any idea why using a graphics card would cause the system to completely power-off crash?

It started happening when I moved the GPU from the x4 slot (PCIE3) to an x8 (PCIE4 or PCIE5) slot, and I was using PCIe WiFi and USB3 cards in those slots beforehand without any issue. And it doesn't matter whether it's a GT 210 or an R9 280, the crashing occurs. ****I should add that the problem has now occurred even with the graphics card in its original slot (PCIE3)

I need the GPU to be in one of the x8 slots because of bottlenecking which was happening in the x4 slot (something to do with going through both the Intel 5520 and the ICH10R chip as far as I can tell, rather than just the Intel 5520.)

Finally, it happens pretty sporadically and instantly, no blue screen and no crash dump. The system just clicks itself off without warning of any kind. Seems to occur more often when using Firefox or loading/playing GTAV.

Things I've done:
-Reset the BIOS settings
-Tested CPU Thermals with Prime95
-Cleaned and reinstalled GPU drivers using DDU

Things I've considered:
-Flashing the BIOS (Extremely wary, never done it before)
-Reinstalling Windows (Going to buy a cheap hard drive and try this tomorrow)

-It could maybe be something to do with PCIe power delivery through the motherboard?

Thanks in advance if there is anything you can advise. I'm really desperate at this point I'm completey out of my depth.

On 19/05/2017 at 10:11 PM, tt2468 said:

It will not bottleneck the GPU at all. PCIe 2.0 vs 3.0 on GPUs actually doesn't make a noticeable difference.

 

You can run a GPU in an x8 slot, but it has to get power from an external source (6+2 pin PCIe)

Many server motherboards don't actually support the full power delivery, because servers aren't generally meant for GPUs. Lots of server motherboards only supply 75w of power. Just keep that in mind.

How would one find out whether a motherboard supplies enough power through it's PCIe slots? I have  tyan S7012 and an R9 280 which might be having power issues.

On 24/05/2017 at 2:39 AM, samiscool51 said:

it works, but the card will operate in 8x mode and run at that speed

also some cards and MB's will refuse to work if they are in this config,

be careful some people have permanently broken their equipment by doing this

How would doing this permanently damage the parts? I'm having issues running this set up myself and trying to work out what's wrong with it.

Hey did you ever buy/build this? I have the same motherboard and am having issues with running a GPU.

Did you ever get this fixed? What fixed it?

Solution: The GPU was being bottlenecked by the slot it was in. It was in the only PCIe 2.0 x4 slot and it was running through a different motherboard chip to all the others.

Moving it to another slot removed the bottleneck and the problems mentioned above.

EDIT: IT WAS ACTUALLY THE CHIPSET THERMAL THROTTLING.

On 18/05/2018 at 2:55 PM, Pyroven said:

Further Update: The System has crashed ONCE since doing this, so it isn't a fix but has drastically improved the situation.

Further Update: System is crashing just as frequently as before, the above situation was purely by chance.

14 hours ago, Pyroven said:

So a further update: Resetting the BIOS options from BIOS->Exit->Restore optimal defaults fixed the graphics card not working when in its original slot PCIE3.

 

...So I've put it in PCIE4 and reset the BIOS options and so far so good. I may report back if I can confirm or deny in a day or two.

Further Update: The System has crashed ONCE since doing this, so it isn't a fix but has drastically improved the situation.

3 hours ago, Pyroven said:

Okay so an update:
Tried fiddling around with some BIOS options, they did nothing and now even with the graphics card in the slot PCIE3 the computer crashes and does so sooner than it used to

 

So a further update: Resetting the BIOS options from BIOS->Exit->Restore optimal defaults fixed the graphics card not working when in its original slot PCIE3.

...So I've put it in PCIE4 and reset the BIOS options and so far so good. I may report back if I can confirm or deny in a day or two.

Okay so an update:
Tried fiddling around with some BIOS options, they did nothing and now even with the graphics card in the slot PCIE3 the computer crashes and does so sooner than it used to

51 minutes ago, Santo22 said:

Not familiar with this system, but I did want to ask, Have you checked bios settings for those pcie lanes? I'm sure someone will come through with some actual help but I'm wondering if those slots are just not set right in bios

What should I be looking for? I'm out of my depth when it comes to anything PCIe lane configuration.

24 minutes ago, syn2112 said:

not much of an upgrade if you ask me, especially for gaming
the FX-6350 probably does better in gaming
can't comprehend why you would put yourself through this mess only to game, sorry i had to critisize this.

i have no idea why the r9 280 won't work in certain slots but server boards are never tested with consumer products like the R9-280, so it could be a compatibility issue, because PCIE4 and 5 are using a different chipset to connect to the CPU. (even though these days PCIE is supposed to be connected to the CPU directly)

also why do you think your R9-280 is being bottlenecked by PCIE3?
 

I should ad that it actually was a nice boost in gaming performance, and also that I usually do a couple of other things while gaming which made it really worth it. Also, it was £100 in total for the upgrade but I appreciate your concern.

18 minutes ago, syn2112 said:

not much of an upgrade if you ask me, especially for gaming
the FX-6350 probably does better in gaming
can't comprehend why you would put yourself through this mess only to game, sorry i had to critisize this.

i have no idea why the r9 280 won't work in certain slots but server boards are never tested with consumer products like the R9-280, so it could be a compatibility issue, because PCIE4 and 5 are using a different chipset to connect to the CPU. (even though these days PCIE is supposed to be connected to the CPU directly)

also why do you think your R9-280 is being bottlenecked by PCIE3?
 

It happens with both an R9 280 and a GT 210, as I said in the post.

And as I explained, the R9 280 was being bottlenecked in PCIE3 for some reason to do with the fact it was going through the second motherboard chip.

And it WAS bottlenecked.

10 minutes ago, syn2112 said:

@Pyroven
is there any reason you're using dual xeons?

gaming? or productivity? 

Mostly gaming, got the system really cheap. They were an upgrade from an FX-6350.