Downside83

One thing everyone needs to consider is who this console is for. Lets look at the facts. 1) While 4k will be massively adopted by the end of 2020 LESS THAN 10% will have a television capable of 120 FPS. The people that do own one will have paid a HEFTY price for it as televisions that carry the 2.1 HDMI standard that allows 4k@120fps will be strictly limited to flagship models. 2) 8k Televisions will be available but with a nice hefty early adopters price tax attached. 3) The Xbox One X will receive some sort of discount dropping it below $300 and possibly under $250. 4) In the video announcing Project Scarlett they flat out said they are NOT building this console to sell a bunch of units. They are building it to create the best possible user experience. 5) The Playstation 5 doesn't come out till 2021. 6) In 2020 when this drops you will not be able to build a PC capable of 4k @ 120fps with HDR and Ray Tracing for less than $800. So lets put a few of these things together. First, For a majority of people the best choice of Xbox next year WILL NOT be Project Scarlett. It will be the One X. Its cheaper to manufacture and for 90% of buyers they won't even be able to use the new Xbox for its new capabilities anyway. So Micosofts target audience will only be that 8% early adopters with the 4k 120fps monitors and TV's and the 1-2% that bought a super expensive 8k TV. Its no secret to these early adopters already know they are paying a premium for this technology. So, the people that would complain about a $600 + price point aren't ones who would own a television capable of using this console to its fullest potential to warrant getting it anyway. Second, Microsoft has no incentive to take a MUCH heavier loss on the console to sell it below $600 when they don't have to compete with Sony for another year. In fact I'd be willing to be that the ENTIRE reason for releasing it to these earlier adopters is so they can get their manufacturing process down and you can't do that without manufacturing to begin with. Then in 2021 when the Playstation 5 is released Microsoft can offer Project Scarlett MUCH cheaper than Sony can offer the new playstation. Weather or not this is Microsofts reason I have no clue but this WILL happen. In summary, for this next year though Microsoft doesn't have to sell a bunch of units. They don't WANT to sell a bunch of units. Theres no one competing in 2020 so why throw away more money, and for what, to move an xbox most people can't even fully use? No, what they WANT is to find a way to make this console cheaper so they can destroy their opponents the following year if with nothing else than with the price. Strangely enough, 2021 is when we WILL start seeing more reasonably priced televisions with 4k @ 120fps and 8k. Its almost like everyone at Xbox is doing this all on purpose, right? Edit: I want to actually go out on a limb here really quick and say that Microsoft, even at a $600+ price point up to a certain number of units, would rather NOT sell more units. In 2021 when everyone is making their Xbox vs Playstation decisions that even at a discount below $600 or $500 that their margins will STILL be better than it will be after its first launched in 2020. So while they want to get their manufacturing price down by selling to early adopters, they'd rather most people wait till 2021.

Actually its 100% necessary. The UHD Alliance(the guys that decide what the standard is) created a specific HDR standard in which they require for it it to be a true 10 bit panel and 1000 nit peak brightness. To make sure you understand what Im saying. This isn't a matter of "opinion". Its either a display that meets the OFFICIAL HDR standard or it does not. There is no gray area in which we get to debate weather or not its a HDR display. I have no problems with companies having less. However, they should not be using marketing buzzwords to mislead a consumer into believing they are meeting this standard. Hell, thats the point of the standard. If I read that a product has HDR...then its a 10 bit panel and 1000 nit brightness. Thats the point of it! So we dont have to verify every spec ourselves. Televisions have been following this for years now. Why the heck is all this misleading marketing stuff going on now with monitors? Thats my point of writing this. To keep consumers from thinking if it says HDR that they are getting that standard when in a majority of cases...they are not.

Glad to hear. Its getting so ridiculous that I'm finding videos on this topic where the "real" HDR unit in a HDR vs Fake HDR still wasn't a real 10bit panel! lol Which means even people who know about this issue are still managing to get tricked into buying fake HDR.

Approximately 2 months ago I finally lost it with my TV. Recently I had been well aware of the poor response times of my Sony XBR65X900E. With my Xbox One X was coming soon and already having a Playstation 4 Pro I have become obsessed with beautiful graphics and more specifically colors and contrast. However, I don’t feel like there is any technical reason I should have to trade response times for a beautiful HDR image. I set out to find the best of both worlds. I began searching up every article and company blog that even mentioned HDR and monitor in the same place and what I noticed is that, unlike televisions, there is a intentional and nasty amount of misinformation in the monitor world involving HDR. Companies inventing and patenting “new HDR technology” so they can miss use marketing buzz words that equate to nothing but vaporware for tricking gamers into spending an extra $100 or so. These gamers are spending millions extra believing the entire time that they are receiving capabilities the company never intended to deliver. To make matters worse, the industries major influencers themselves not only has turned a blind eye to the issue, but a majority are blindly selling these marketing schemes. So whats the problem? Pretend HDR marketing terms. Dell HDR, HDR Pro, whatever companies chooses to call it…it all means the same thing. Fake HDR. As to not be redundant in telling you info most of you have seen on videos like this one from tech quickie Ill spare everyone the details of what HDR is and how it works. As a quick refresher. It primarily requires 2 major things. 10 bit panel. This is a must. This is the foundation on which the definition of HDR stands. Its what separates these beautiful displays in televisions and monitors from others. It basically takes our typical color range of 16 million colors offered by 8 bit panels and increases it to 1.06 BILLION colors. A measurable increase by anyones standards. 1000 nit brightness how can you display that huge range of colors if the display itself cant get bright enough to help your eye distinguish between them? As I looked for my next big monitor purchase, I journeyed around the web and bounced from article looking for HDR monitor reviews and lists of 2017 HDR monitors. The disturbing thing is that a vast majority share one thing in common, they feature monitors that aren’t HDR! For instance this article features the Dell S2718D which according to the article they link to in digital trends is HDR capable. According to dells own website not only doesn’t get anywhere close to the 1000 nits in peak brightness. Its not even a 10 bit panel! Another example is this article in which only a single monitor was actually HDR capable.The $999 LG 32UD99 advertises HDR10 on their site. LG's own sponsored google ad when searching for this monitor says “Enjoy enhanced brightness and Wide color gamut with HDR.” In fact, not only does their monitor only produces a very underwhelming 350 peak nit brightness, but their panel isn't even a true 10 bit panel. While they do receive the full HDR10 signal their panel is 8bit+FRC which means they flicker between two 8-bit shades of color to fake the colors in between. In fact 4 out of 5 monitors missed BOTH major requirements. Considering that for every single monitor on these top 5 or 10 monitor lists, there is a dozen articles or videos reviewing each monitor, this has become a significant issue! The problem is the misuse of the word HDR. Dell creates a term like "Dell HDR", slaps it on a standard 8 bit monitor, and jacks the price up $100. Then someone writing an article or making a video about HDR comes along and drops the Dell part and all the sudden a unsuspecting gamer looking for a new monitor is being told this is HDR capable. This has happened in thousands of articles and videos this year alone, adding up to millions of additional dollars spent this year vs the manufactures non-"HDR" counterparts. This Christmas there will be hundreds of thousands of "gaming" monitors sold for kids and adults alike. Many of which got a brand new Xbox One X or PS4 Pro that want HDR, and think they are getting it. I really wish I had the audience or the voice to get this message out to stop it. I wrote letters to the editor of every site I found that had this issue. I heard back from no one. The that few did told me they would have to "verify" my story and that that they would "pitch it" if they got the chance. At this point Id settle for a sticky on the LTT forum. Im terrible at writing and this is my first article I think I've ever put out in a forum ever. I assume this will probably get dropped off the front page quick. However, if I can keep one person from making a mistake and getting conned out of and extra $100+ dollars to a company, then its all worth it.

Gotta go with that stealth. Pair that with a Razer Core with a EVGA 1080 FTW and you have one hell of a gaming/video editing rig!

So Ive been struggleing with this same question for days. I was really leaning twards the 34UM95 myself. The problem is that everyone is hiking up the prices $300 because they are in short supply in the us. Their retail should be $1000 and they are going for $1300 in most cases. However, Im considering waiting this one out because of how many amazing reviews ive seen. Not to mention the video linus did on it sold it pretty hard. Also, great software helping with multi-monitor simultation to maximize the space and also the fact it has thunderbook for when I use it with my macbook pro as well as display port for my desktop was HUGE for me. However, there is not way of telling how long that wait will be. I think its really an amazing thing now having seen one in person. however, my monitors are really starting to hurt my eyes after a day of programming and Im not sure I can take it anymore. So, If you find anything better than $1300 jump on it and let me know where you found it here too.