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Copyrighting such an idea is not a point of discussion; selling exact, unique, intricate and, of course, copyrighted, designs from another company as your own for profit without any form of agreement is very much wrong and illegal.

I just watched the video: this will be interesting. And I guess a WAN show topic 🙂
 
It's pretty egregious.

Their site is no longer working. Gateway timed out
 
LOL

Appears Casetify has finally removed the 'inside out' collection from their site, which displays some degree of guilt on their behalf.

HEY! I love playing games at 17FPS 

I was speculating on the idea that, to make the game more accessible to players with lesser hardware, the game's backend processing could potentially be split and handled by machines on cloud instances, as was one of the marketing points for the potential for games on the Xbox One that never really materialized.
 
I did not say anything to imply that the game was, or would be, run in the cloud, and also did not imply the existence or creation of multiplayer Cities: Skylines gameplay.

Then just play CS1 and give this one a year and a 50% discount whilst the beta testers early buyers pay paradox to do their bug catching job

That's a bit of a memory test but far as I remember yes.

Yeah, but if local system is crippled so much with simulation, imagine what kind of compute clusters they'd have to be running "in the cloud" to power the play of hundreds of thousands of players?

CO have made a lot of great games and as far as I'm concerned Paradox is usually a good publisher too.
 
Battletech (amazing), Steel Division (great), Age of Wonders Planet Fall (good, technically great, just not my fav AOW), Age of Wonders III (great), Stellaris (great), Cities Skylines (great, need traffic mods lol).

It's perfectly optimized for your next gaming PC!

Summary
Cities Skylines 1 had a..less that optimal launch but quickly became the city builder of choice for many people after the abysmal Sim City 2013. But it seems like CS2 is on track to be even worse. it has already been confirmed that it will not be releasing with mod support, something that kept the first game interesting for so long, but now pre-release testing has reportedly shown the game to run at 7-12fps on an i9 13900KS with a 7900XTX at 4k high settings and a 4090 not even able to hit 80fps at 1080p low settings on the old recommended 5600x as the system requirements were suddenly changed at the end of september. Keeping in mind the game is launching in a few days.
 
Quotes
 
1080p results
 
1440p results:
 
My thoughts
Unfortunately they know about this, but their management don't care and are making them ship it regardless, the epitome of "release now fix later", but given how badly CS1 still runs, don't hold out too much hope for amazing optimizations to come out any time soon
 
another video from City Planer Plays took figures on fps at different population levels at 4k with a 7950x3d and 4090
 
Population 1K: 52fps
Population 10K: 34fps
Population 25K: 28fps
Population 50K: 27fps
Population 75K: 25fps
Population 100K: 24fps
 
the full data can be found here:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1JIUokAXWOvHYsVZzJv7Skju5oKgm0-r4/edit#gid=1737240722

So if you're thinking of picking up this game, dont expect to play it on anything other than low-medium if you want anything other than a slideshow if you're running anything higher than 1080p
 
Sources
source of text
https://www.dsogaming.com/pc-performance-analyses/cities-skylines-2-reportedly-runs-with-7-12fps-on-an-intel-core-i9-13900ks-with-amd-radeon-rx-7900xtx-at-4k-high-settings/
 
source of images and original testing
https://www.pcgameshardware.de/Cities-Skylines-2-Spiel-74219/Tests/Release-Benchmarks-Performance-Tuning-Tipps-1431613/2/

Yes, it's convenient that GN gains a lot of traffic for this. But correlation =/= causation. GN has repeatedly jumped in when scummy behavior came up at other companies (Best Buy, Walmart, NZXT, Gigabyte, Dell, etc.). I'd agree with you if it would be the first time they call someone out, but they have done it many times by now. And in pretty much every case it ultimately lead to a quick solution to the problem and a win for consumers where nothing would have happened otherwise. So arguing he's just doing it for the views is in bad faith.
 
Also, last year they already announced that LMG has become too big to just be seen as Linus or "a friend" anymore and GN will treat them same as any other large company / brand. And thus they will be held to the same scrutiny if they behave in a wrong way that hurts consumers or their own staff.
 
Not to mention that the guy in the labs tour directly attacked other reviewers and tried to invalidate other people's testing methodologies even though their own methods have repeatedly shown to give more inconsistend and error-riddled results. So even if you want to view it all as drama, it's not GN that started it. And it doesn't matter that it was "just" a lab employee. He spoke for the company as soon as he spoke in front of a camera. It doesn't really matter if it's him, Linus or the CEO.
 
About the whole Billet Labs situation: I think this completely proves that Linus lost touch with what he has been preaching for years. He's constantly talking about how a few $ here and there are nothing compared to just doing the right thing. That's pretty much what their complete "warranty" is about. Now he has proven that a few $ can absolutely keep him from doing the right thing. I never believed in a "trust me bro" warranty, and especially now i never will.

On the TechTechPotato / Ian video, if you aren't used to an academic setting, you likely won't quite understand what Ian is doing. This is very much akin to a Peer Review Edit in a journal article. You take everything chunk by chunk and go over the details. There were notable issues with GN's original video and Ian goes over them pretty well.
 
GN really needed to carefully flesh out some of the optics issues, rather than just putting them in a few sentences that can be taken as shots.

Mods, can we create a new post specifically for the discussion of the points outlined in this video?

I remember that distinctly, yes. That may have bene lost in communication -- or Billet Labs may have been asleep at the time they might have been asked, and this video came out in such a short timescale. Surely enough of them have seen the GN video, right? The figure is plausible, at least...

This is certainly not the time to give that privilege to Floatplane users.

This is certainly not the time to give that privilege to Floatplane users.

This is certainly not the time to give that privilege to Floatplane users.

I remember that distinctly, yes. That may have bene lost in communication -- or Billet Labs may have been asleep at the time they might have been asked, and this video came out in such a short timescale. Surely enough of them have seen the GN video, right? The figure is plausible, at least...

I remember that distinctly, yes. That may have bene lost in communication -- or Billet Labs may have been asleep at the time they might have been asked, and this video came out in such a short timescale. Surely enough of them have seen the GN video, right? The figure is plausible, at least...

This is certainly not the time to give that privilege to Floatplane users.

This is certainly not the time to give that privilege to Floatplane users.

Jikes, seems like they don't understand how this, at least to some, makes them look. I think the intentions were good but the execution and understanding of the community were horrible in this case.
 
When addressing an issue of this scope one should not put that video behind a paywall.
 
To at least me, this comes out as tone-death.

This is certainly not the time to give that privilege to Floatplane users.