Sammydasamon

If legitimate criticism of how a company's testing methodology resulting in errors is considered an attack, then I'm not sure what else to say besides it not being one.
 
Here's the thing, if you want to be a lab, and you want to be held to lab standards, then you open your methods and data to scrutiny, which is what GN is doing here. LMG has the ability, and the right to respond to these allegations by re-running the tests to reproduce the data if they want to stand by it, but they aren't. GN's video isn't an attack, it's a flashlight on some of LMG's recent practices that have dubious ethical standings that need to be addressed.

Calling people delusional is just going to reinforce their belief that this is a hit piece and not something borne out of genuine concern for the community.
 
That said, there's definitely a lot of takes in here where people are acting personally attacked and that's a little out of touch.
 
The video is good natured. The message isn't an attack, it's a concern. And after trust me bro, Steve said point blank he was no longer treating ltt as an individual but the corporation that it is.
 
Corporations don't care about your feelings. Corporations aren't people. Corporations don't get handled with kid gloves.
 
They get publicly discussed, and allowed to make their own decision on how to respond to that discussion.

First of all, the whole Billet Labs stuff is completely absurd if true. I don't think they would intentionally sell something they couldn't, probably some massive fuck up in communications happened between the team responsible for sending it back and the people choosing the items to be auctioned, but it's still a huge issue and 100% LTT's responsibility to fix it and make sure something like this never ever happens again. 
 
About the rushed content, it's something that a lot of times crosses the border of "fun jank" to being just frustrating. Every single project they do seems to be rushed, unfinished, untested and plagued with issues and oversights. And that could be their content "brand", seems like many people enjoy the jank. But if they now want to present themselves as serious testers, someone the community can look up for reliable data with Labs, that mindset needs to change, FAST. How the hell can I trust someone who has to correct themselves almost every video? And makes errors that a basic review of the content could catch? 
 
You need to pump out 7 videos a week? Sure buddy, but maybe allow more time sensitive projects to be properly planned, executed and reviewed and throw some "here's 10 fun crap we found on aliexpress" videos to make up for it.

There won't be a big WAN Show segment about this or anything. Most of what I have to say, I've already said, and I've done so privately.

To Steve, I expressed my disappointment that he didn't go through proper journalistic practices in creating this piece. He has my email and number (along with numerous other members of our team) and could have asked me for context that may have proven to be valuable (like the fact that we didn't 'sell' the monoblock, but rather auctioned it for charity due to a miscommunication... AND the fact that while we haven't sent payment yet, we have already agreed to compensate Billet Labs for the cost of their prototype). There are other issues, but I've told him that I won't be drawn into a public sniping match over this and that I'll be continuing to move forward in good faith as part of 'Team Media'. When/if he's ready to do so again I'll be ready.

To my team (and my CEO's team, but realistically I was at the helm for all of these errors, so I need to own it), I stressed the importance of diligence in our work because there are so many eyes on us. We are going through some growing pains - we've been very public about them in the interest of transparency - and it's clear we have some work to do on internal processes and communication. We have already been doing a lot of work internally to clean up our processes, but these things take time. Rome wasn't built in a day, but that's no excuse for sloppiness.

Now, for my community, all I can say is the same things I always say. We know that we're not perfect. We wear our imperfection on our sleeves in the interest of ensuring that we stay accountable to you. But it's sad and unfortunate when this transparency gets warped into a bad thing. The Labs team is hard at work hard creating processes and tools to generate data that will benefit all consumers - a work in progress that is very much not done and that we've communicated needs to be treated as such. Do we have notes under some videos? Yes. Is it because we are striving for transparency/improvement? Yeah... What we're doing hasn't been in many years, if ever.. and we would make a much larger correction if the circumstances merited it. Listing the wrong amount of cache on a table for a CPU review is sloppy, but given that our conclusions are drawn based on our testing, not the spec sheet, it doesn't materially change the recommendation. That doesn't mean these things don't matter. We've set KPIs for our writing/labs team around accuracy, and we are continually installing new checks and balances to ensure that things continue to get better. If you haven't seen the improvement, frankly I wonder if you're really looking for it... The thoroughness that we managed on our last handful of GPU videos is getting really incredible given the limited time we have for these embargoes. I'm REALLY excited about what the future will hold.
 
With all of that said, I still disagree that the Billet Labs video (not the situation with the return, which I've already addressed above) is an 'accuracy' issue. It's more like I just read the room wrong. We COULD have re-tested it with perfect accuracy, but to do so PROPERLY - accounting for which cases it could be installed in (none) and which radiators it would be plumbed with (again... mystery) would have been impossible... and also didn't affect the conclusion of the video... OR SO I THOUGHT...
 
I wanted to evaluate it as a product, and as a product, IF it could manage to compete with the temperatures of the highest end blocks on the planet, it still wouldn't make sense to buy... so from my point of view, re-testing it and finding out that yes, it did in fact run cooler made no difference to the conclusion, so it didn't really make a difference.
 
Adam and I were talking about this today. He advocated for re-testing it regardless of how non-viable it was as a product at the time and I think he expressed really well today why it mattered. It was like making a video about a supercar. It doesn't mater if no one watching will buy it. They just wanna see it rip.  I missed that, but it wasn't because I didn't care about the consumer.. it was because I was so focused on how this product impacted a potential buyer. Either way, clearly my bad, but my intention was never to harm Billet Labs. I specifically called out their incredible machining skills because I wanted to see them create something with a viable market for it and was hoping others would appreciate the fineness of the craftsmanship even if the product was impractical. I still hope they move forward building something else because they obviously have talent and I've watched countless niche water cooling vendors come and go. It's an astonishingly unforgiving market.
 
Either way, I'm sorry I got the community's priorities mixed-up on this one, and that we didn't show the Billet in the best light. Our intention wasn't to hurt anyone. We wanted no one to buy it (because it's an egregious waste of money no matter what temps it runs at) and we wanted Billet to make something marketable (so they can, y'know, eat).
 
With all of this in mind, it saddens me how quickly the pitchforks were raised over this. It also comes across a touch hypocritical when some basic due diligence could have helped clarify much of it. I have a LONG history of meeting issues head on and I've never been afraid to answer questions, which lands me in hot water regularly, but helps keep me in tune with my peers and with the community. The only reason I can think of not to ask me is because my honest response might be inconvenient. 
 
We can test that... with this post. Will the "It was a mistake (a bad one, but a mistake) and they're taking care of it" reality manage to have the same reach? Let's see if anyone actually wants to know what happened. I hope so, but it's been disheartening seeing how many people were willing to jump on us here. Believe it or not, I'm a real person and so is the rest of my team. We are trying our best, and if what we were doing was easy, everyone would do it. Today sucks.
 
Thanks for reading this.

Hello everybody , this is gonne be my first build towards gaming . 
So any advice would be very welcome . 
 
I'm from the EU (Belgium) , so sorry if i make some grammar/spelling mistakes . 
 
My aim is gaming , and heavy multitasking . I have a budget of 1500euro for the PC & screen . 
I already have the keyboard and mouse . 
 
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/gdDCK8
 
PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/gdDCK8 Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/gdDCK8/by_merchant/   CPU: Intel Core i7-4790 3.6GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($286.88 @ OutletPC)  Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z97X-Gaming 3 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($129.99 @ Amazon)  Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory  ($79.99 @ NCIX US)  Storage: Kingston SSDNow V300 Series 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($93.75 @ OutletPC)  Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 970 4GB STRIX Video Card  ($329.98 @ OutletPC)  Case: Corsair 450D ATX Mid Tower Case  ($94.98 @ Newegg)  Power Supply: Cooler Master 750W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($79.99 @ Micro Center)  Monitor: BenQ XL2430T 144Hz 24.0" Monitor  ($375.99 @ Amazon)  Total: $1471.55 Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-02-02 03:13 EST-0500   This al adds up to about 1530 euro in my country . 

But i'm not sure about my choice of power supply , RAM and motherbord . 
So any advice is welcome .   
PLANS : 
-Add a 2tb HDD 
-Afthermarket cooler 
-In the future upgrade ram (If needed)
 
(HD and cooler will be added to the build in the near future)

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Build Title: Nova
Thread URL: http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/260501-nova-haswell-e-and-sli-gtx-980s-in-170l/
Description: The microATX cases currently available weren't small enough so I made my own. The end result is Nova.
 

Thought I'd also mention this since it's relevant, but a unit isn't necessarily incompatible with the sleep states if it's not said to be supported by the manufacturer either.
 
Contrary to what a lot of sites said, the issue here isn't that the power supplies are unable to supply 0.05A on the 12v rail. Instead, since the other rails can still be powered for USB devices and such you can end up with a large load on the 3.3/5v rails, with only a small load on the 12v. With group regulated designs, this can -in a worst case senario- result in out of spec voltage regulation and even trigger OVP, shutting down the system.
 
This sounds like a problem, except that this only occurs if you have a massive load on the 3.3v and 5v rails (generally 100w+) is where this starts to go out of the specified 5% regulation. That rarely occurs with any system, unless you have tens of phones and such charging simultaneously. To put things into perspective, this is similar to having a PC on hibernate mode with USB devices plugged in and powered - it can be an issue with insane load levels, but it's generally not going to happen. It's something you should worry about IF you are constantly pulling more than 5-10A from the minor rails, but otherwise there's nothing to be concerned about.
 
Of course, if you have a generic no-name unit chances are it's not supported, but you shouldn't be using it for other reasons anyways. ;)
 
 
It's a sleep state, so the graphics card isn't going to be powered anyways (memory modules might be, but that's based off the 3.3v rail). Same goes for everything else that runs off the 12v rail, including fans, HDD motors, etc.
Edit: Nevermind, for some reason I had thought it was a sleep state, not an idle one. In that case I'm not sure myself, though since the BCLK is left at 100mhz it may be possible. It seems like most sites think this power supply 'issue' is more important compared to what the C-states actually do though, so I can't much information about the specifics.

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