8320 vs 8350 vs 4670k

[JORDANonPC]

aha, so i am throwing benchmarks that are somewhat reliable and show Intel is faster than AMD FX => not true

 

you throw 1 video over and over again (Tek Syndicate that is totally inaccurate video benchmark without even correctly made graphs that shows AMD FX is good => must be true

 

yea. makes sense.

 

I've already said that you are not correct by saying AMD is cheaper. it's not cheaper either.

 

- Motherboards are very expensive

- AMD CPUs draw much more power which leads to far higher bills.

 

I gave you guys already a challenge ones, nobody tried to answer me.

 

Give me a good, well working AMD fx 8320 or 8350 cpu + mobo + cooling pricelist (or you can decide to keep stock box cooler). Use pcpartpicker.com

That is actually an easy task and I personally have mentioned teksyndicate once you throw at a few benchmarks that are irrelevant also you mention the power draw way too often and it isn't going to affect the overall price much at all

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

 

CPU:  AMD FX-8320 3.5GHz 8-Core Processor  ($144.99 @ Amazon) 

CPU Cooler:  Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler  ($29.99 @ Microcenter) 

Motherboard:  ASRock 990FX Extreme3 ATX AM3+/AM3 Motherboard  ($119.99 @ Newegg) 

Total: $294.97

(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)

(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-09-02 09:30 EDT-0400)

[Dravic]

That is actually an easy task and I personally have mentioned teksyndicate once you throw at a few benchmarks that are irrelevant 

 

Then go ahead and show me how much AMD 8-core CPU+MOBO+COOLER (you can decide to keep the CPU cooler from Box) costs.

 

And then say again it is 'cheap'.

 

Also I keep saying I AM NOT Intel fanboy. Even my title says that I fanboy somebody else.

 

I even purchased Phenom II x6 1045t last week.

[chikozz]

aha, so i am throwing benchmarks that are somewhat reliable and show Intel is faster than AMD FX => not true

 

you throw 1 video over and over again (Tek Syndicate that is totally inaccurate video benchmark without even correctly made graphs that shows AMD FX is good => must be true

 

yea. makes sense.

 

I've already said that you are not correct by saying AMD is cheaper. it's not cheaper either.

 

- Motherboards are very expensive

- AMD CPUs draw much more power which leads to far higher bills.

 

I gave you guys already a challenge ones, nobody tried to answer me.

 

Give me a good, well working AMD fx 8320 or 8350 cpu + mobo + cooling pricelist (or you can decide to keep stock box cooler). Use pcpartpicker.com

What about Linus? LOL Haven't you watched his benchmarks with the 8350 and 3570k? The 4670k is like 5-10% better than 3570k. Linus' benchmarks show that they are more less the same but AMD is cheaper (mobos are cheaper as well) and AMD is better for streaming and video editing (also in future games are said to use more cores).

[Dravic]

What about Linus? LOL Haven't you watched his benchmarks with the 8350 and 3570k? The 4670k is like 5-10% better than 3570k. Linus' benchmarks show that they are more less the same but AMD is cheaper (mobos are cheaper as well) and AMD is better for streaming and video editing (also in future games are said to use more cores).

He didn't test any CPU-bound games. Any heavily scripted game will work better on i5/i7 Intel CPU unless the game is using more than 6 cores (if a game uses 6 cores, AMD CPUs are still slower or the same speed. They start winning at 7 & 8 cores).

 

I said Intel CPUs are approximately 50% faster than AMD FX 8320/8350 at the start of the thread, you can go and see that i did. See? Do you even know what approximately means?

[JujuShinobi]

I would go with the 8320 and try your luck overclocking it. Who knows? You might get a UNICORN 8320

[JujuShinobi]

He didn't test any CPU-bound games.

I said Intel CPUs are approximately 50% faster than AMD FX 8320/8350 at the start of the thread, you can go and see that i did. See? Do you even know what approximately means?

Dude, he tested Crysis 3. I don't know what you are talking about.

And even if it is approximate, you're way off dude. Approximate means near to the actual number not miles away from it.

[JORDANonPC]

Then go ahead and show me how much AMD 8-core CPU+MOBO+COOLER (you can decide to keep the CPU cooler from Box) costs.

 

And then say again it is 'cheap'.

 

Also I keep saying I AM NOT Intel fanboy. Even my title says that I fanboy somebody else.

 

I even purchased Phenom II x6 1045t last week.

I just did and also I haven't called you a fanboy you keep making claims against me because of what the many other people arguing against your ignorance have said

[Dravic]

Dude, he tested Crysis 3. I don't know what you are talking about.

 

Yes, Crysis 3 is one of the few games that actually use multiple threads. I do not negate that FX 8320 is faster there thanks to 8 cores. But it's one of the very few games that use 7 or 8 cores.

[JujuShinobi]

I just did and also I haven't called you a fanboy you keep making claims against me because of what the many other people arguing against your ignorance have said

He says he is not a fanboy however I can state otherwise. The thread I made near a week ago asking if I should go 8320 or 4670k for streaming and he gives me a whole load of Intel options saying that the 8350 is trash. Hell he even gave me an option of a Xeon which by the way are horrible for gaming. I am honestly quite tired of seeing his post.

[Dravic]

 

That is actually an easy task and I personally have mentioned teksyndicate once you throw at a few benchmarks that are irrelevant also you mention the power draw way too often and it isn't going to affect the overall price much at all

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

 

CPU:  AMD FX-8320 3.5GHz 8-Core Processor  ($144.99 @ Amazon) 

CPU Cooler:  Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler  ($29.99 @ Microcenter) 

Motherboard:  ASRock 990FX Extreme3 ATX AM3+/AM3 Motherboard  ($119.99 @ Newegg) 

Total: $294.97

(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)

(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-09-02 09:30 EDT-0400)

 

 

i5 is cheaper:

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

 

CPU:  Intel Core i5-3470 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($179.98 @ SuperBiiz) 

Motherboard:  MSI Z77MA-G45 Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard  ($94.99 @ Amazon) 

Total: $274.97

(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)

(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-09-02 09:37 EDT-0400)

 

And i7 20$ more:

 

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/HWv4

 

You are not overclocking the CPUs here so you do not need more than stock fan. They will be faster at stock and MUCH more energy cost-friendly than your combo.

[chikozz]

He says he is not a fanboy however I can state otherwise. The thread I made near a week ago asking if I should go 8320 or 4670k for streaming and he gives me a whole load of Intel options saying that the 8350 is trash. Hell he even gave me an option of a Xeon which by the way are horrible for gaming. I am honestly quite tired of seeing his post.

This.

[JORDANonPC]

He says he is not a fanboy however I can state otherwise. The thread I made near a week ago asking if I should go 8320 or 4670k for streaming and he gives me a whole load of Intel options saying that the 8350 is trash. Hell he even gave me an option of a Xeon which by the way are horrible for gaming. I am honestly quite tired of seeing his post.

You are not the only one that is tired of his posts he did the exact same thing in a post someone else made asking for help and recommending xeons

[Dravic]

He says he is not a fanboy however I can state otherwise. The thread I made near a week ago asking if I should go 8320 or 4670k for streaming and he gives me a whole load of Intel options saying that the 8350 is trash. Hell he even gave me an option of a Xeon which by the way are horrible for gaming. I am honestly quite tired of seeing his post.

 

Since when i7 is bad for gaming? Xeon e3-1230v3 is I7. Lol. Why do you say i7 is bad?

[JujuShinobi]

Yes, Crysis 3 is one of the few games that actually use multiple threads. I do not negate that FX 8320 is faster there thanks to 8 cores. But it's one of the very few games that use 7 or 8 cores.

I would argue that because more software such as games and etc are become more multithreaded optimised, the 8320 is, in a sense, more futureproof than the 4670k. And don't forget that AMD CPUs beat Intel CPUs on integer based operations even if they suffer at floating point operations. And if said person ever decides to record/stream footage, the 8 cores should benefit him greatly

[JORDANonPC]

 

 

i5 is cheaper:

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

 

CPU:  Intel Core i5-3470 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($179.98 @ SuperBiiz) 

Motherboard:  MSI Z77MA-G45 Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard  ($94.99 @ Amazon) 

Total: $274.97

(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)

(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-09-02 09:37 EDT-0400)

 

And i7 20$ more:

 

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/HWv4

 

You are not overclocking the CPUs here so you do not need more than stock fan. They will be faster at stock and MUCH more energy cost-friendly than your combo.

 

yes and that will not perform as well and most people are asking between the k series and fx series and want coolers if not they would go h87 anyway if you are really going to get desperate on price

[JujuShinobi]

Since when i7 is bad for gaming? Xeon e3-1230v3 is I7. Lol. Why do you say i7 is bad?

You ding dong, when in the hell did I say i7s are bad for gaming? I SAID XEONS DAMMIT

[Hunter259]

I say grab an ivy 3570k. People who have bought these late batches have been getting much better overclocking. Watch these videos. 

 

The 3570k is better overall.

[JORDANonPC]

Since when i7 is bad for gaming? Xeon e3-1230v3 is I7. Lol. Why do you say i7 is bad?

I7 is overkill for gaming and xeons are not made for gaming so stop making such strange suggestions next you'll be saying put quadros in a gaming build 

[Dravic]

You ding dong, when in the hell did I say i7s are bad for gaming? I SAID XEONS DAMMIT

 

But Xeon e3-1230v3 = i7 4770 without iGPU

 

v2 = 3770

 

LOL i7 is not made for gaming either. But these are the very same CPUs except e3-1230v3/v2 is called a bit differently. If you put them in the same socket on same mobo they will behave pretty much the same.

[JujuShinobi]

But Xeon e3-1230v3 = i7 3770 without iGPU

But Xeon e3-1230v3 = i7 4770 without iGPU

 

v2 = 3770

 

LOL i7 is not made for gaming either. But these are the very same CPUs except e3-1230v3/v2 is called a bit differently. If you put them in the same socket on same mobo they will behave pretty much the same.

First, you can't overclock it. Second, Xeons are meant for server operations. Using them for gaming and maybe even video encoding is just a bad idea. Please... Just stop

[Dravic]

I would argue that because more software such as games and etc are become more multithreaded optimised, the 8320 is, in a sense, more futureproof than the 4670k. And don't forget that AMD CPUs beat Intel CPUs on integer based operations even if they suffer at floating point operations. And if said person ever decides to record/stream footage, the 8 cores should benefit him greatly

 

Yaawn. Where did you see Intel CPUs getting beaten at 'integer based operations' by AMD cpus? lmao.

 

You mean the benchmark Kuzma claims to be the ultimate proof that integer based operations are faster on AMD platform? It's not because AMD is faster. It's because Intel had quad core vs 8 core.

 

Which is the same case like with everything, unless something is optimised to use 7 or more cores, intel will win. you can tell because FX-6300 got around same score as intel i5.

 

And why i7 is overkill when fx-8350 is 'futureproof'? You just said that THERE WILL BE MORE THAN QUAD CORES USED IN GAMING ZOMG OMG AAAWHHAHAHA WOOOAAAAAAA!!!!!!!

 

So i7 is as good as FX for 'future-proofing' in this matter.

[Dravic]

First, you can't overclock it. Second, Xeons are meant for server operations. Using them for gaming and maybe even video encoding is just a bad idea. Please... Just stop

 

Since when i7 is meant for server operations? Just get your facts straight, you are arguing that 4 cores + hyper threading is not equivalent of i7.

 

So what does make i7 being i7? I5 has quad core and everything i7 has, but i7 has hyper threading. That Xeon has everything i7 has, therefore i am free to call it i7 in my own vocabulary.

[Dravic]

I almost forgot that i7 has 2MB l3 cache more (= 8mb) than i5. AND xeon e3-1230v3 has 8mb of l3 cache as well.

[TechFan@ic]

do you have any motherboard recommendations? originally i was going with the 4670k+ud3h combo but since the 8320 sounds like the best choice, i will have to change my plans

Yes, your best bet is an Asus M5A99FX board as it will have all the features you need or may want + it offers best-in-class overclocking results.

Second board I'd recommend is the Gigabyte 990FX UD3, you get 98% of the features on the Asus board + better aesthetics, the sacrifice is slightly lower RAM overclocking results & a slightly more out-dated BIOS layout.

If you're interested in a more budget friendly 970 based board, your best option is the Asus M5A97 R2.0.

[JujuShinobi]

Yaawn. Where did you see Intel CPUs getting beaten at 'integer based operations' by AMD cpus? lmao.

 

You mean the benchmark Kuzma claims to be the ultimate proof that integer based operations are faster on AMD platform? It's not because AMD is faster. It's because Intel had quad core vs 8 core.

 

Which is the same case like with everything, unless something is optimised to use 7 or more cores, intel will win. you can tell because FX-6300 got around same score as intel i5.

 

And why i7 is overkill when fx-8350 is 'futureproof'? You just said that THERE WILL BE MORE THAN QUAD CORES USED IN GAMING ZOMG OMG AAAWHHAHAHA WOOOAAAAAAA!!!!!!!

 

So i7 is as good as FX for 'future-proofing' in this matter.

Stop trying to sound smart while actually being a fool. I'm saying 8320/8350s can be deemed as slightly more futureproof as there are more and more program's are getting multithreaded optimised. i7 is overkill as an i5 performs almost, if not the same as the i7 in gaming.

On a side note, I am trying to converse with you in a civilised manner. I do not appreciate your barbaric manner of speaking