And Fx 8320 with gtx 970?

[Mubarak04747]

Hi my name is Mubarak from India Kashmir valley and I recently build my pc and I think that didn't go well ...

Now I want to build another one with this specs

Amd fx 8320

Msi 970 or 990 fxa gaming mobo

Corsair vengeance 8 gb

Gtx 970 strix

Corsair vs 650 psu

R200 case

So my questions are

- bottleneck issue?

- is there any other better processor around

the same price of fx8320

- will gtx 970 be OK

- why should I buy msi 990fxa gaming mobo not msi 970 gaming motherboard

[Enderman]

yeah, get an i5 instead
one of the cheaper ones is fine, like 4460 or something

[Senzelian]

Like Enderman already said, I would change the CPU to an Intel Core i5.
The i5-4460 is very popular, aswell as the i5-4690k.

With the 4460 you should get an H87 or H97 motherboard (B85 and H81 are also fine) and with the i5-4690k you should get a Z97 or Z87 motherboard to make use of the unlocked multiplayer and to overclock the CPU.

[Tsuki]

im running an 8320 with a 970.

it works, i dont bottleneck.   but i would suggest an i5. FX procs suck

[Mubarak04747]

Is psu good

[BurgerBum]

go ahead. FX chips erent the best for gaming however if you plan on doing other things while gaming its perfect.

especially if you're a streamer or find it for a good deal. which is pretty much always an FX chip.

[brandishwar]

For the same price? Not really. I'm not sure what prices look like in India -- I'm trying to gauge off Amazon India currently -- but it appears an i5-4460 might be available for only about Rs. 1500 more than the FX-8320. The motherboard is where you may or may not see a price similarity. You should be able to run a motherboard with the H81 or H97 chipset, which will be less expensive compared to the Z97 motherboards. But let features be your guide on that one. H81 and H97 boards will likely be less than or comparable in price to the MSI 970 Gaming. Z97 boards will be more expensive.

You'd be better off going with an i5 if you can afford it with the feature set you're wanting, but otherwise you'll still get decent performance with an FX-8320.

[Prysin]

Hi my name is Mubarak from India Kashmir valley and I recently build my pc and I think that didn't go well ...

Now I want to build another one with this specs

Amd fx 8320

Msi 970 or 990 fxa gaming mobo

Corsair vengeance 8 gb

Gtx 970 strix

Corsair vs 650 psu

R200 case

So my questions are

- bottleneck issue?

- is there any other better processor around

the same price of fx8320

- will gtx 970 be OK

- why should I buy msi 990fxa gaming mobo not msi 970 gaming motherboard

wont be worth the upgrade... I owned a 8230 myself. upgraded to a Intel Core i7 4790k... 8/35 games saw a noticable improvement. Most of those games were single core or dual core games.

 

in most cases, going to a i5 4460 you will see 4-10 FPS at BEST...

now think how much that i5 costs. is it WORTH paying that much for 4-10 FPS?

no...

 

save your money and wait for ZEN/Kaby Lake. Then upgrade. By the time ZEN/Kaby Lake is out, you can probably afford a Core i7, which would be WAY stronger then both an Haswell i5 and a FX 8320

 

the mobo you should buy is the

ASUS M5A99X EVO R2.0 http://pcpartpicker.com/part/asus-motherboard-m5a99xevor20

or

Gigabyte GA 970A UD3P http://pcpartpicker.com/part/gigabyte-motherboard-ga970aud3p

Stay away from MSI boards when buying AMD...

[Prysin]

yeah, get an i5 instead

one of the cheaper ones is fine, like 4460 or something

please watch the videos in the spoiler tab, then explain to me how you justify the cost of upgrading to haswell based on the FPS gains...... ive done this move myself... FX 8320 to i7 4790k... for gaming, only a few (8/35 games) made a noticable difference that i can SAY i notice while playing.

Is intel better for gaming. Sure.

Is it worth the cost, considering that more and more games are using multiple threads?

 

i say, he waits for ZEN/Kaby Lake. By then, Skylake will have dropped in price, and skylake would be a much better upgrade due to RAM speeds and such...

or, you know, ZEN might just be amazing

 

http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/497046-intel-core-i3-4170-vs-pentium-g3258/?p=6645523

[FruitBasketSilex]

please watch the videos in the spoiler tab, then explain to me how you justify the cost of upgrading to haswell based on the FPS gains...... ive done this move myself... FX 8320 to i7 4790k... for gaming, only a few (8/35 games) made a noticable difference that i can SAY i notice while playing.

Is intel better for gaming. Sure.

Is it worth the cost, considering that more and more games are using multiple threads?

i say, he waits for ZEN/Kaby Lake. By then, Skylake will have dropped in price, and skylake would be a much better upgrade due to RAM speeds and such...

or, you know, ZEN might just be amazing

http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/497046-intel-core-i3-4170-vs-pentium-g3258/?p=6645523

I like how you neglect every single single-threaded game in existence.

[Nena Trinity]

It will work decently in a majority of games if you have it at 4.5GHz or above but let me ask you this "DO YOU PLAY Arma, DayZ or Dying light?" If the answer is no then you will be good and have fun!  (i5 is safest for compatibility reasons)

[Enderman]

please watch the videos in the spoiler tab, then explain to me how you justify the cost of upgrading to haswell based on the FPS gains...... ive done this move myself... FX 8320 to i7 4790k... for gaming, only a few (8/35 games) made a noticable difference that i can SAY i notice while playing.

Is intel better for gaming. Sure.

Is it worth the cost, considering that more and more games are using multiple threads?

 

i say, he waits for ZEN/Kaby Lake. By then, Skylake will have dropped in price, and skylake would be a much better upgrade due to RAM speeds and such...

or, you know, ZEN might just be amazing

 

http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/497046-intel-core-i3-4170-vs-pentium-g3258/?p=6645523

 

" I want to build another one"

 

he is not upgrading anything

 

"is there any other better processor around"

 

btw the 4460 is not skylake

 

Learn to read, plz and thanks.

 

And maybe go learn something here too: http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/263646-how-is-the-fx-8350-for-games/?p=3586074

[Prysin]

I like how you neglect every single single-threaded game in existence.

i like how you reject the fact i owned this CPU myself.

i do not reccomend wasting money like i did. I could afford it, if only for the heck of upgrading. But i didnt really see massive amazing improvements.

 

Now considering i run a R9 295x2... meaning either i got one R9 290X or TWO R9 290Xs if there is a CF profile... lets just say i definetively do NOT have a slow rig...

 

Yes i saw performance increases, mostly in DX9 and older games. However time is moving on, games are getting more and more multi-threaded. Even then, here is some KNOWN "intel friendly" games....

 

Such as ARMA... we all know how "shit" AMD runs on ARMA dont we?

 

https://youtu.be/UEIRYS0xMZk?t=372

 

[Prysin]

" I want to build another one"

 

he is not upgrading anything

 

"is there any other better processor around"

 

btw the 4460 is not skylake

 

Learn to read, plz and thanks.

 

And maybe go learn something here too: http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/263646-how-is-the-fx-8350-for-games/?p=3586074

i think you should read... maybe put on some glasses so you can see whether your caps lock has been pressed or not.

 

also, that thread is wrong in so many ways. but you, and the rest of this forum, seems to be so damn intel biased that you refuse evidence that does not clearly show intel winning in every way.

Faceman did a good job compiling a lot of work, not done by himself. But the more you look, the more you realize that it is a half truth, twisted by his own bias. His post was made 4th december, which means chipset drivers would have come out. Perhaps it is unknown to you, but chipset drivers often improve latency issues that help improve CPU performance (marginally so). his original FX hate speech was made even earlier. Also, his test shows a strictly single/dual thread game. a setting where intel IS better.

His evidence, was valid 18 months and earlier ago. However within those 18 months A LOT of multi-threaded AAA and even some lesser known games have come out. But let us ignore the progress made by the gaming industry and still pretend that game = single core. Because if we ignore that a game can use multiple threads, then intel is better.

 

Anandtechs review of the 8370e was mixed. They later did the 8320e and found that chip to be an excellent overclocker. redeeming itself by somehow, consistenly outperforming the 9590.

 

So let me ask, do you reject the reality of  more and more games being multi-threaded?

 

FX8 is wasting money. These days, but "upgrading" to intel i5 from a FX8 is equally wasting money.

 

So again big guy. tell me knowing that the cheapest i5 build is 200 USD with board + CPU... can you defend that OP spends that much money to gain a tiny few FPS?

 

OP would be better off getting a FX6300 then a 8320.... i5 4460 is a good choice, but if he has a computer already, it is smarter to just wait and save up more money, so he can afford better parts right away.

the 6300 is proven to perform very well. it is notably, by a wide margin, cheaper then any i5.

it requires much less expensive boards for overclocking

and the video evidence i posted cements the reality of things.

 

but please, do go on and prove me wrong.  with up to day 2015 benchmarks.

if you have nothing from the year 2015 to disprove how well the FX 6300 performs for its price. then really mate. you need to do a reality check.

[Enderman]

i think you should read... maybe put on some glasses so you can see whether your caps lock has been pressed or not.

 

also, that thread is wrong in so many ways. but you, and the rest of this forum, seems to be so damn intel biased that you refuse evidence that does not clearly show intel winning in every way.

Faceman did a good job compiling a lot of work, not done by himself. But the more you look, the more you realize that it is a half truth, twisted by his own bias. His post was made 4th december, which means chipset drivers would have come out. Perhaps it is unknown to you, but chipset drivers often improve latency issues that help improve CPU performance (marginally so). his original FX hate speech was made even earlier. Also, his test shows a strictly single/dual thread game. a setting where intel IS better.

His evidence, was valid 18 months and earlier ago. However within those 18 months A LOT of multi-threaded AAA and even some lesser known games have come out. But let us ignore the progress made by the gaming industry and still pretend that game = single core. Because if we ignore that a game can use multiple threads, then intel is better.

 

Anandtechs review of the 8370e was mixed. They later did the 8320e and found that chip to be an excellent overclocker. redeeming itself by somehow, consistenly outperforming the 9590.

 

So let me ask, do you reject the reality of  more and more games being multi-threaded?

 

FX8 is wasting money. These days, but "upgrading" to intel i5 from a FX8 is equally wasting money.

 

So again big guy. tell me knowing that the cheapest i5 build is 200 USD with board + CPU... can you defend that OP spends that much money to gain a tiny few FPS?

 

OP would be better off getting a FX6300 then a 8320.... i5 4460 is a good choice, but if he has a computer already, it is smarter to just wait and save up more money, so he can afford better parts right away.

the 6300 is proven to perform very well. it is notably, by a wide margin, cheaper then any i5.

it requires much less expensive boards for overclocking

and the video evidence i posted cements the reality of things.

 

but please, do go on and prove me wrong.  with up to day 2015 benchmarks.

if you have nothing from the year 2015 to disprove how well the FX 6300 performs for its price. then really mate. you need to do a reality check.

 

1) you're the one who needs glasses because there are only 3 letters in caps in the post I wrote ^^

 

2) an i5 is still better than a 8350 in the majority of games, I'll prove that at the end of my post

 

3) he's not upgrading, hes building a new PC, so it only costs a smaller amount of money than completely swithcing from AMD to intel would

I agree that going 8350->i5 is not worth it, but when building a new PC, going with intel actually leaves an upgrade path for the future, whereas with an 8350 there isnt anything better than it (no, the FX9000 series doesn't count as "better" lol)

 

4) yes games are becoming more multithreaded, especially AAA titles, that still doesn't mean that 8 weak cores will outperform 4 strong ones

most games performance actually relies more on higher core performance than a ton of cores

 

5) here are a bunch of 2015 benchmarks:

I think they speak for themselves.

[Prysin]

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please use spoilers for better thread readability

 

 

if he has a computer, i think it is smarter to save up and go with skylake.

Haswell is a shit idea, no matter what. it is EoL and only upgrade is a 4790k... which isnt THAT much of an upgrade (price to performance wise)

 

now IF he could bag a locked Skylake i5, things might not be so bad... but his budget insinuates less then that....

 

now, OC vs OC, intel will win... and intel will also be more expensive.

 

remember you are presenting a 8350 (165 USD) vs a 4690k (220 USD). Both require a decent board (100 ish USD), both require a good cooler (Noctua DH-14 75 USD)

the price of such a setup invalidates both the FX8 and Haswell i5. because both costs a lot, intel even more so due to higher initial prices. yes you get more performance then again, if i pad 60 bucks more for a CPU, i would be pissed as hell if it didnt perform better then the cheaper one.

 

do a 4460 (165 bucks) vs 8350 (165 bucks) then come back to me....

 

this is my whole point. and you are not getting it.

 

For equal price. AMD is not bad atm (FX is priced reasonably now. FX8 is still trash). Especially the FX6300, which as shown has excellent price ot performance ratio these days.

 

 

Now, if OP wants a upgrade path, he should definetively go with Skylake i5, since kaby lake will be using the same socket... so that means 100 chipset will be "fresh" for another 2 years at LEAST. But that costs a little bit more, so OP may need to save up a little bit more.

[FruitBasketSilex]

i like how you reject the fact i owned this CPU myself.

i do not reccomend wasting money like i did. I could afford it, if only for the heck of upgrading. But i didnt really see massive amazing improvements.

Now considering i run a R9 295x2... meaning either i got one R9 290X or TWO R9 290Xs if there is a CF profile... lets just say i definetively do NOT have a slow rig...

Yes i saw performance increases, mostly in DX9 and older games. However time is moving on, games are getting more and more multi-threaded. Even then, here is some KNOWN "intel friendly" games....

Such as ARMA... we all know how "shit" AMD runs on ARMA dont we?

https://youtu.be/UEIRYS0xMZk?t=372

Nah, don't worry man, its cool. You like red. It's cool. You dig that whole red/black AMD gamer shtick, its fine man. I'm not sayin nothin.

Just throw on your red and black hoodie with your red and black socks, your red and black shirt, your red and black shoes, and your red and black pants, your red and black hat and have a nice day, sir.

EDIT: Forgot pants.

[Enderman]

please use spoilers for better thread readability

 

 

if he has a computer, i think it is smarter to save up and go with skylake.

Haswell is a shit idea, no matter what. it is EoL and only upgrade is a 4790k... which isnt THAT much of an upgrade (price to performance wise)

 

now IF he could bag a locked Skylake i5, things might not be so bad... but his budget insinuates less then that....

 

now, OC vs OC, intel will win... and intel will also be more expensive.

 

remember you are presenting a 8350 (165 USD) vs a 4690k (220 USD). Both require a decent board (100 ish USD), both require a good cooler (Noctua DH-14 75 USD)

the price of such a setup invalidates both the FX8 and Haswell i5. because both costs a lot, intel even more so due to higher initial prices. yes you get more performance then again, if i pad 60 bucks more for a CPU, i would be pissed as hell if it didnt perform better then the cheaper one.

 

do a 4460 (165 bucks) vs 8350 (165 bucks) then come back to me....

 

this is my whole point. and you are not getting it.

 

For equal price. AMD is not bad atm (FX is priced reasonably now. FX8 is still trash). Especially the FX6300, which as shown has excellent price ot performance ratio these days.

 

 

Now, if OP wants a upgrade path, he should definetively go with Skylake i5, since kaby lake will be using the same socket... so that means 100 chipset will be "fresh" for another 2 years at LEAST. But that costs a little bit more, so OP may need to save up a little bit more.

 

Did you not look at the first benchmark? The 2500k is still better, and the 4460 is better than the 2500k which is over 5 years old

 

That's why I recommended the 4460 in my first post

Maybe you didnt read that also because of your bad eyesight...

 

Anyway, you can find many 4690ks used for about the same price as a 8350, so if he can afford the 8350 he can definitely afford a used i5 thats better

A lot of people are upgrading to skylake so they sell their haswell CPUs for cheap

 

And intel CPUs have a lower TDP than the 8350, so you could also argue that you can get better performance and more overclocking with a cheaper cooler

 

My point is that if he can afford a 8350, he can also afford a 4460 or used 4690k which are far better options for gaming (not rendering or video editing or stuff like that)

[Morgan MLGman]

Did you not look at the first benchmark? The 2500k is still better, and the 4460 is better than the 2500k which is over 5 years old

 

That's why I recommended the 4460 in my first post

Maybe you didnt read that also because of your bad eyesight...

 

Anyway, you can find many 4690ks used for about the same price as a 8350, so if he can afford the 8350 he can definitely afford a used i5 thats better

A lot of people are upgrading to skylake so they sell their haswell CPUs for cheap

 

And intel CPUs have a lower TDP than the 8350, so you could also argue that you can get better performance and more overclocking with a cheaper cooler

 

My point is that if he can afford a 8350, he can also afford a 4460 or used 4690k which are far better options for gaming (not rendering or video editing or stuff like that)

1. You're comparing a used 4690k to a new 8350? That's a bit unfair, don't you think? Compare it to a used 8320, considering a new one costs 99$ on Amazon with free shipping, it's cheaper than i3's.

What @Prysin said, he doesn't really see much of a difference and the upgrade to the i7-4790k was not worth it in terms of money spent. That is the entire point, you can get a CPU that costs 99$ NEW and don't really feel much difference from an i7.

JayzTwoCents confirms that exact statement in this commentary video, since he's a well-known benchmarker and tech reviewer, I'd say it's a trustworthy source, definitely more than some random pseudo-benchmarking channels "You're not gonna notice the few frames per second difference, you're not gonna notice a difference worth paying 100-150$ more for an Intel build" that's what he said more or less.

He switched from 8350 to 3770k at the time. He said he didn't gain anything significant in the real-world, besides 3dmark/cinebench scores, and it was a loss of money

The point for the OP is, if you already have the FX-8320, don't sell it to get a low-end haswell i5. Not worth it. Keep it, wait for next-gen and it's going to be a better choice. Overclock it and it will suffice for the GTX 970 for the time being

[Enderman]

1. You're comparing a used 4690k to a new 8350? That's a bit unfair, don't you think? Compare it to a used 8320, considering a new one costs 99$ on Amazon with free shipping, it's cheaper than i3's.

What do you not understand about the sentence "he can afford a 8350 so he can also afford an i5" ?

 

Do you know what a "budget" is?

 

The limiting factor is price

Sure he could get a used 8350 for less, but then hes not using all the money he's got

 

The point is getting more performance for the same amount of money, not getting similar performance for less money

[Morgan MLGman]

What do you not understand about the sentence "he can afford a 8350 so he can also afford an i5" ?

 

Do you know what a "budget" is?

 

The limiting factor is price

Sure he could get a used 8350 for less, but then hes not using all the money he's got

 

The point is getting more performance for the same amount of money, not getting similar performance for less money

He could spend that money to get a better GPU, to get an SSD, to upgrade any other part of his build and he'd most likely benefit more.

Do you understand the point that he already has the 8320? It's not worth swapping it for a 4460 for instance, not at all.

[Prysin]

Nah, don't worry man, its cool. You like red. It's cool. You dig that whole red/black AMD gamer shtick, its fine man. I'm not sayin nothin.

Just throw on your red and black hoodie with your red and black socks, your red and black shirt, your red and black shoes, and your red and black hat and have a nice day, sir.

i dig what is the best solution...

 

since my 4790k has limited PCIe Gen3 lanes (20 i think it is)

i must be as efficient as possible... so instead of using up many lanes on many cards, a dual GPU suits my needs. it uses only a single X16, leaving more room to add other things into my system.

 

i do not, under any circumstance dispute intel being better at a certain price point. I do however dispute the biased bullshit that is served on a silver platter to people who do not know the reality of things.

[Enderman]

He could spend that money to get a better GPU, to get an SSD, to upgrade any other part of his build and he'd most likely benefit more.

Do you understand the point that he already has the 8320? It's not worth swapping it for a 4460 for instance, not at all.

 

 

Hi my name is Mubarak from India Kashmir valley and I recently build my pc and I think that didn't go well ...

Now I want to build another one with this specs

[Morgan MLGman]

 

He clearly doesn't know much about tech, we're trying to help him get as much as possible for his money and save some of it so it doesn't go to waste. You're doing what he exactly asked for, without any imagination. Any valuable employer would prefer a creative employee, rather than one that only follows the rules brainlessly.

 

[Prysin]

What do you not understand about the sentence "he can afford a 8350 so he can also afford an i5" ?

 

Do you know what a "budget" is?

 

The limiting factor is price

Sure he could get a used 8350 for less, but then hes not using all the money he's got

 

The point is getting more performance for the same amount of money, not getting similar performance for less money

you know, with each and every post, your blatant bias just shines brighter and brighter....

 

sadly, you faill to read the line where i said "FX8 is a waste of money. He should save up for a Skylake i5"....

 

EDIT:

i am sick of your fanboyism. Welcome to my ignore list. Enjoy your stay kind sir. And do not bother to reply to my post, i will not bother checking what you wrote.